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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:03 am 
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So this is it. Me, 21 years old decide to beging a journey to becoming a mPUA with my best friend as wing. We live in the great city of Montreal, in my opinion, is one of the best city for games. I just get out of a long relationship of 2 years. And i decide from now, i need to learn and try something else before im too old to do have fun. Here we go!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:18 am 
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Date: 11 November 2011

Members: Froggy, Oz, (Wallal)

Location: Fouf electric(Bar) then Ivy (Noisy Club)

Oz got us on the guesslist to the 11.11.11 even in Club Ivy. since is not our first time Clubbing, we know that drinks are pretty expensive so we decide to drink at fouf first. We had some good time at Fouf and decide to tell people that is Oz's birthday at the club.

We arrive at Ivy, its was filt with people, definitively alot of boy and couple, but there is hot girls. The music wasnt start yet. So I immediatly begin to talk to people around us, first with some random dudes then have them to introduce to their friends, I mostly use the Glasses opener; im i better looking with glass on or off, and play the goofy faces. Or just open with its my friend's birthday. I try to talking a bit of small talk with most of them, but most of the time they speak french and Oz dont speak french. A big problem.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:36 am 
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about 20 minutes before the rave begin, i approche two girl about 6.5 HB without Oz.
I start with the gay opener

F: Can i have a female opinion on something?
HB1(clearly the mother-hand): Yea.
In the same time she grab the other HB who is trying to touch me.
F: Its my friend over there looks gay?
They laugh
HB1: Maybe... I need to have a closer look.
I grab Oz who is still dancing.
Oz: Hi my name is Oz.
We exchange name. I begin to isolate HB2 but after 2 min of small talk i ran out of things to say. Then she left for bathroom.
I try to get back to my friend.
Then i see him dancing with HB1. I wait for my HB to come back, i wait about 5 min then, HB1 ask me to dance with her will my friend is grinding her from behind... I refuse and Oz and I left her.
A shame that we didn't get that far and Oz should have ask her number.

A bit later over the night, after getting a drink, i spot a wallflower by her own.
I immediately approach her.
F: if you paid just for standing here, you could have staid home.
HB: Im waiting for a friend.
F: Me, I'm lost, its one of friend's birthday but I just can find them in this huge crowd.(pause)
F: Remember when we were kids, you can make friends everywhere just like that... Do you want to be my new friend ( with a big :D )
HB: sure, and she said a word in chinese to me.
Yea im chinese, so im pretty impress by her. Then we start talking about our backgrounds
small talk about 3 min or so, just about the part when i was going to ask her number and close... Someone I know from highschool show up... turn out that is his GF. I was pretty close to get caught, so i just shake their hands and move out.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:45 am 
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About 5 min later, I find Oz grinding a blond 9 HB on the small stage.
(Man, i wonder how he do it. Oz is Egyptian, he dont speak that much, but he can get the girl dance without saying a word. I did number close a bunch of time but this guy, he is a natural charmer.)
I reach him, but the blond have to go to her friend, once again Oz didnt catch the timing to close the set.
I check the time, its about 2am, we decide to do one more then go home.
I spot 2 Latino girls by the bar dancing alone, so we head up there. I open.
F: Hey, its my friend"s birthday, we like to take a picture with you guys, cause you are so adorable.
HB1: ok w.e
we take the photo.
Then Oz is stay to talk to one of them, and i try to work on the HB1.
I want to put my reading from the forum in practice. I begin to do the 5-lies-game. However, the music is way too loud. My game failed. and Oz bored pretty much the other girl. So i decide to end it by leaving them.

Yea. that night was pretty lame, 0 number, 0 close.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:31 am 
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Date: 12 November 2011

Members: Froggy, Oz

Location: Cafe Campus (Noisy Club + second floor Bar), Tokyo (Noisy Club)

So me and Oz decide to go back clubbing since, the night before was a total disaster. So we meet at 10h30 in Campus, its was way too early, so we decided to go to the second floor and have some good time and discus our game plan. Around 11h30, the Bar start to fill out, we begin to do some small talk approach. I spot 2 Latino girls sit behind us with a gay looking guy. I decide to approach them once their gay friend left.
F: hi girls, just a quick question, Do i look better with my glass off or glass on?
I put my glass off and back on, and play some goofy faces
HB1: Eh... take them off again?
I did maybe 2 times the exercise.
HB1: with your glass on.
I present myself and ask their name.
F: the reason im here, its that my awesome friend over there is turning 20 tonight.
HB2: no kidding me too?
I make sign to my friend to come over.
Then their male friend come. I tried to give him a friendly handshake but he turn me down.
They have whisper something together. then the guy make me the sign to go away.
i didn't know what to do there, so i left.
Oz laughs at me there and told me is not a big deal.
We get downstairs to get one more beer and wait for people to start dancing.

About 20-30 min later, the room is full, we spot one big group forming near the stage, we start to move tower them.

Oz tell me: Push me into the group.
I did so, then he just start dancing like a madman, somehow a dance circle has formed, and people begin to going back and forth inside the ring.
I spot a girl about 5.5 HB and start to dance beside her. Then I tried something new, I just grab her inside the dance circle and did some weird irish dancing with her.
HB: You are crazy.
F: no, im chinese.
HB: Im _____
F: moi aussi, je parle francais.
I just watch this video of Gamble earlier that night, so I try to use his trick to pretend cant hear the girl and make excuses to do cheap kino byplacing your head beside her's. We danced a bit then I ask her if she can just leave her friend and come with me for a moments. I trying to isolate her from the group.
we move to the stairs near the the bathroom.
F: Hey, you seem like a real nice girl, and i like your energy.
HB: Thanks.
I didnt know what to say next so i just asked her number to see if we can hang out later.
HB: actually im here with my boyfriend, he's just over there.
Im like dam...

While Im trying to number close my target. Oz is grinding a 6.5HB with glasses.
Since im a good friend, I dont want to ruin his target.
a bit later, I spot a wallflower trying to text alone.
I walk behind her. tried to open with a cellphone opener.
F: Yea.. I tried that earlier, didnt work that well, the signal is weak in here
HB: Yea, i know, didnt work for me a min ago too.
F: So what your deal, you dont like this music?
HB: Oh no no, im just tired of dancing and my friend is having fun over there.
F: Yea, my friend is having fun over there too.
I point at Oz who is still grinding that girl.
HB: look like he is having a good time.
F: yea, pretty much, it's his birthday, and all that group over there are with us.
Omg I just so bullshit that girl right there. since i did, I decide to do something even more bs.
F: may I take your hand, I recently learn how to palm reading.
HB: mmm, ok.
I take her hand
F: see that line here, that your life line, you have some good news, your life line is long, its about 87 years.
I totally has her attention.
F: and this line here is your love line. Omg.
HB: What?
F: you are going to meet someone today that is destine to be your soul-mate. And this line here, point right in my direction.
HB just thinks that im joking.
F: No no, I dont mean that its me but its might be possible. If you do believe in me give your number and we might meet up again.
HB look kind of hesitating and look away for her friend.
I thought i freak her out, so i just left.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:44 am 
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I went up to the bar to get a shot. Oz tap my shoulder from behind. I ask if he get any good with that girl. He said she started dancing on him and he find her ugly, so he didnt want to get her number.
After drinks, We went back to the dance floor, OZ spot 2 brunettes dancing by themself. Once again, he is too chicken to open, I went I and open with a simple hello. we are going to do the exchange student trick again.
F: Hey, are you guys having a great time here?
HB1: hell yea
F: hi my name is Froggy
We exchange our name.
F: my friend here is a exchange student from Egypt, he only speaks English.
I notice that girls have an extra crush on foreign people.
They immediately begin to be very friendly with him.
Oz begin to kino escalate HB2.
Me as a wingman, I begin some small talk with HB1.
She told me that she have a BF but she find me a interesting person and ask me my number.
That was the first time a girl ask my number in a club.
Oz as always is dancing once more with the other girl, always grinding from behind.
After a bit I ran out of things to say, I did something terrible, I grab Oz and tell him that we should head to Tokyo.

I should have bring the girl away. however i didnt know back then.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:20 am 
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Place : Tokyo (Noisy Bar)

We get out of Campus without our jacket because Tokyo don't have a stockroom for people to storage their cloths and bags. We arrive at Tokyo, there is a long line up.
Somehow, Montreal is a small place, I ran into some of my highschool friends, so we tried to get in with them. But a Arabic look like girl yell at us that we shouldnt do that.
Oz find her hot so he act like a gentleman and move to the back of the line.
We start to do some small talk, and find out that she speaks Arabic just like Oz.

15 min later we get into the club, the place is so full, that we cant even dance with out touching someone's butt. Oz has to go to the bathroom. Just he get away.
a blond by the bar look at me with a big smile.
I walk up to her. I would give her a 6.5
F: Hey fake blond, How you doing?
HB: you look cute.
F: Thank you, you look decent too.
HB: My name is ___________.
F: Nice to meet you, My name is Romeo.
I start to grab her and and try to spin her around.
Then her friends show up.
F: you should present me to your friend.
We exchange name and handshack.
F to her friend: your friend here is so adorable and friendly, its she always like that with strangers?
they laugh and said that she just had a bit too much of alcohol.
HB: you look so young?
F: yea im 21.
HB: oh, i wish i can be that young again.
Im like crap... not an oldy please.
F: Im sure you are not that old.
HB: trust me im pretty old.
F: let me guess you are 26?
HB: nope 30.
In my head, im like... she is wayy too old for me. I need to get out.
Small talk again about 2 more min. I spot my friend Oz, I made a excuse to get away.
Im not prepared to fck older women yet. At least not 9-10 years older then me.

Oz was with the arabic girl by the back of the room talking. I grab him and we went to the center of the room to spot some targets.

Oz told me that I need to relaxe cause people that are constantly moving near girls and try to dance with them, looks needy and that a very bad DLV. so we begin to dance a bit to chill out. Then we tried a several target, Nothing work out that well. So we went back to the arabic girl. She present us to some of her friends. Guess what they are 4 single girls with 2 couple.
However, one girl looks like the motherhand. I was interested in a latino girl of the group, HB 8.5 but the motherhand grab her and pretend that she is her girlfriend.
so instead of going after the HB. I begin to dance around. try t spin the motherhand and have fun with her and totally ignore the HB.
Oz in the same time begin to put his moves on the arabic girl.
After a bit, the motherhand left them to get a drink. I profit the moment to build some report with the HB. turn out that the motherhand is her sister.
Somehow we start to dance together but face to face. I pushed her to the wall.
F: Man you are so adorable and beautiful, your BF is so lucky.
HB: I don't have a BF, we broke up 2 moth ago.
F: I'm sorry.
HB: not big deal
We begin some small talk around relationship and commitment.
I learn that she is Brazilian and study at Mcgill etc...
then she ask my age.
I dont want to make the same mistakes, So I lied about my age.
F: Im 24
HB: Im 21.
Dammit again, I should have said my real age.
Then Oz pick my should, he told me that he have to go. Turn out that arabic chicks was 23 and he was only 19, so she turn him down cause he is too young for her.
I decide to leave with Oz, so I went back the HB ask her for her number, number close her then said goodbye to every one there and peace out with Oz.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:32 am 
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3 days later, I tried to invite her to another bar for a second date.
She said she cant, have stuff planing out.
However, I tried later on 2 more time, I still get turn down.
So i just delete her number.

Good side
I did a lot of approach that night, so im prod of myself and 2 number out too
Test out some opener and technics

Bad side
Need to build more report between me and the target.
need to work on isolating my target.
Need to learn more way to neg.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:25 am 
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Location: montreal
Date: 25 november 2011

Members: Valentyn, AG, Razb & a hole bunch of other PUA's

Location: BifTeck (BAR) Radio Lounge (NOISY NIGHTCLUB)

Me and Oz are running together for about 2 month now, but we are curious about other PUA and want to see what they can do in field.
We decide to meet some other PUA from the forum.
We arrive at 10pm, had some beer and talk about our game style.
I have to say, these boys are cool and we learn some tips.

Later on that night we decided to go to Radio Lounge together. We arrive there around 11h30. The place was dead, mostly guys, so me and OZ decided to chill at the bar. In the same time, I start to talk to a waitress, 8 HB asian chick.
F: You guy are pretty busy tonight huh?
HB: hehe, no, usually its better. tonight is pretty quiet.
We just small talk like that for a bit, we exchange name, of course she give me her work name, and I give her a fake one too. 8)

Oz and I decide to use the old Birthday trick again, so we open a fell set, mostly 2 or 3 sets with pretext to take pictures for his birthday and bouncing around like that for 1h.
We realize that is most people are couples that night. We get also to upstairs, saw other PUA trying to open some set but didnt work that well. razb did open a 5 sets.

Around 1 am, I open a slutty blond dancing along beside the stage.
F: I bet you can dance even better up here.
I jump on the stage and grab her up. That was so bold of me. :lol:
The next thing i know, she is dancing all over me.
We didnt talk, just kino...
I saw Oz beside the stage bored. So I left that blond and get out with Oz.

Oz has to go home by bus that night, I decide to stay a bit more longer by myself and to get that blond for a fck close. Turn out that blond was one of the VIP.
I talk with them for a bit mostly small talk. Then I ask her if she want to take some coffee and get sober up. She said yes and we went to coffee depot just beside the club.

Man, that the first time, I actually bounce out a girl out of the club. we chat for a bit. Turn out that she is 30 years old. I just lose interest of her from then.
Some she talks how fail her past relationship were and cried on my shoulder on the way back to the club. Man that was so awkward...

She give me her number at the end but I dont like to date an woman that is 10 years older then me.

But still, was an nice experience.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:26 am 
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Date : 2 december 2011

Members: Valentyn, Gamon & Froggy

Location: Chez Serge (BAR)

My first time gaming in a bar. The music is ok, and i can finaly use some talking skills. That night we open almost all the set in the bar, Valentyn covered pretty much everything in his journal. One of the big thing i forget is neg. I often put girls into the confort zone too long then stuck with no sexual tension. I really, really need to work on that.

Goal for the next weeks

Show more DHV during the repport building.
Need to neg more.
Kiss close in a bar.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:43 am 
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Date : 5 december 2011

Members: Froggy

Location: Grande bibliothèque du québec a montréal

This is the first day game I post on the forums, I follow some courses online, so as usual, I sat on a computer to type in some work then a hot latino girl about 7.5HB. sat next to me look very depress about her work. She ask me if there is some one there, I said no. After a fell second, I decide to try to open.
I ^peek at her books.
F: look like you have alot to do.
HB: yea, I have a big project to finish for tomorrow.
F: you study in History.
HB: no in international economy.
F: Oh yea, which school?
HB: UQUAM.
small talk for 2 min.
I fake that i have to go, pick up my paper that I have print then ask her will im cleaning my desk if she would like to hang out next friday with some of my friend cause I found her interesting and I want to present her to my friends.
HB: maybe not next friday i'm busy but maybe later sometime.
When she give me her number, she laught at my cellphone... public mobile =___=

However, I text her today that one of my friend is having a party at commission des liqueurs on the 16 dec. She didnt respawn...

I really suck with the text game, need some serious advice to how to get second date.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:11 am 
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Location: montreal
Date : 9 december 2011

Members: Froggy, Oz

Location: Tokyo, Balroom (NOISY CLUB)

We were on the guess list to a club call muzique, however, we arrive around 12pm, there is a big wait line even for guess list... So we decide to go Tokyo.
Once we get to Tokyo around 12h30, Its was empty. The bouncer told us that is most students final exams week, so I decide to try a new club, Ballroom.

We enter Ballroom around 12h45, the place was crowded, mostly dudes. We try so hard to get some result from different set, but seems like every buddy is in couple.
Finally after 20 minutes of opening useless sets, we find 4 girls just arrive on the dance floor. one around 5 HB, the others are about 8HB. There is so many AFC watching them, they are like surrended... (Me and Oz, we are laughing pretty hard at them). somehow, I can spot which one is the motherhand,the 5 HB. I just go straight up to her and start dancing with her, face to face.
HB: We are from Toronto
F: Oh yea, what bring you guys all the way to montreal?
HB: We come here for the party and Funs?
F: Yea, me too, i can with my friends, he is a exchange student from Egypte. Its his first time to a club and he is shy.
Making that up just because Oz look arabic.
HB: Oh he is cute. Then she talk to another HB beside her and both of them laught.
F: Hey, Im still here!
HB: I'm sorry.
F: yea, you better be, why dont you present your friends to me just like I did.
we exchange names then small talk while we dance.
Me to Oz: Come on dont be shy and dance with the girls, they wont eat you.
He is playing the game with me and choose a Latino american looking girl to dance with.
And just like that we have open a 4 set.
Of course, I have to sacrifice myself as the wing but I was pretty prod of me.
However, Oz didnt isolate his target after a while just go away with her friends.

Around 2h30, we decide to do a last check at Tokyo and go home.
I open a group of asian from Vancouver but turn out they are 3 couples so I just give them a friendly hands shack and leave the place.

Honestly was a very quiet night. Not much to do.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:35 am 
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I been so busy lately, I will update soon, need some rest before christmas.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:57 pm 
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Here we go again, since the last montreal Pua meeting, I tried to follow a bunch of other PUA and learned alot with them.

I have to give a big thanks to valentyn which is pretty much my mentor at the moment.

So here goes the report for the last 2 weeks sarging

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:26 am 
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Date: 16 december 2011

Members: Valentyn, Froggy, Gamon & T_Rex

Location: Comission des Liqueurs (NOISY NIGHTCLUB)

Valentyn invite me and Oz to a birthday party of one of his friends. However Oz didnt pass the ID test by the bouncer so I was alone this time. Right after entering the club, Valentyn directly present me to all his friends, that give me a huge DHV. After saying hello to everyone, we went up to get a drink. He open by the bar over the shoulder a 2 set with cheating girlfriend opener. , one is about 7 and the other a fat girl about 4. Then he present me to the group, as a good wing, I distract the other girl with some small talk. I helped him isolate.

Over the night we open about 7-8 set. Only 3 of them that actually went not bad.

first one:

I was along and looking for Valentyn, then accidentally, I bump into a HB around 8. I excuse myself, then I notice she is being a wallflower with her friend.
F: you guys are not dancing at all on this song, come on, do me a favor dance a bit, its my favorite song.
HB: yes we were dancing before you bump into me.
F: ok show me your moves.
HB: how about you show me yours.
I did the running man move, she laugh then I decide to do something new.
since I just meet Valentyn's friend, I just take that HB by her arm bring her to a dance circle and shout.
F: hey guys, this girl is not having fun and not dancing at all. Can you show her some love?
HB: no no...
she was laughing and shy in the same time, don't know what to do.
then we get back to the 2 set.
F: I just want to show you how embarrassing is to perform in front of strangers. HB: no its just I..
F: Yea , Yea stop justifying yourself.
F: anyway, my name is Froggy by the way.
HB: Im.... and this is my cousin, ....
F: oh yea, you are here for a special occation?
HB: Yea, is my other cousin's birthday.
Froggy to the other girl: Happy birthday.
then right after it, she took a picture of me and the HB.
F: hey I wasnt prepared for that...
cousin: you guys are cute together.
I hug HB
F: thank you.
then we small talk for a bit, however I ran out of subject to say so I get out and ask help for valentyn.
But when I came back

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