So I'm still in the middle of the huge slump that is my game. I went out to a bar with buddies for Halloween. A bunch of people were dressed up. But all night my AA wouldn't allow me to approach because I've just had a huge issue with conversing with women. My biggest sticking point has been actually holding an interesting conversation with them. I just can't think of ANYTHING to talk about. I don't share interests with any girls and I just cannot feign interest in them. A buddy of mine was able to open up a set that ended up hanging with our group for a while. I could not maintain conversation so I just gave minimal input. I could tell I was attractive enough for them. I picked up on IOI (I don't have a problem with that). I just couldn't spawn conversation.

Here's where it gets interesting. I had a mask on from phantom of the opera. It was just the only thing I had. A super hot blonde comes up to me later and gets all excited because her friend with her (also hot) works on the show or something. She immediately gets touchy feely and flirtacious. We end up hooking up and dancing. Shes all over me. Then I had to leave so I said a long bye and got her number. Hooked up again and left.

I texted her back. Something unique. I said hey its the phantom this is my number blah blah. Lo and behold the typical thing happens. I don't get a response. This ALWAYS happens. I can never get a girl to text me. I get stood up or ignored. I've already been ignores after making a date with another girl. What is the point of even getting a number. Its just a waste of time and hope. Fuck the game. It frustrates me that its so complex for guys to make something work. Iread tthrough all this material and it gets me more and more angry. Girls have it so easy. But I hate them and despise them for it.

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I still have NO clue about how to keep an interesting conversation with a girl in a bar. The music is loud and the place is packed. It's tough to have any conversation to begin with. Not to mention the fact that 99% of girls are completely uninteresting. I have no way what to talk about, how to transition into a meaningful and unique interaction. I always keep falling into the "interview" scenario which I hate. When that happens I immediately know I've failed.

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What does interesting mean to you?
Girls are NEVER uninteresting, it's you, just out of shape.
NEVER blame anyone else than YOURSELF.

Think about a conversation you really enjoyed.
Did you lead it?
What did you talk about?
Could you talk about the same topic with someone else?
Does the topic lift YOUR mood? (I usually don't think what others think of my stuff.)
What could you throw in to improve it all? Playfulness? Boldness? Aloofness? Bragginess? Leading more maybe? Doing something a little weird but hypnotic to both of you or just yourself (staring in her eyes noticeably, touching her repeatedly and noticably, etc.)?
Do your conversations hold emotion? Emotion is the MAIN thing a deep conversation should be built upon. (You can try emotional meditation, which is, just get a chilled/emotional song and watch what feelings appear, just WATCH them, know you HAVE them but do NOTHING with or about them.)
SONG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 30ecKr96Hw
After you know what you feel, just know if you want to express it, stop caring what anyone thinks and just BLOW IT ALL OUT. Fun, deepness, sadness, girls love emotions, all of them, even anger is good sometimes when it's aproppriate.

What do YOU want to talk about?
What do YOU want to tell her?
What do YOU want?

You want sex and you think you can't talk to her about that?
Pick the next best topic for yourself.


If that doesn't help, I suggest doing some crazy stuff, watching movies, surfing the web or anything else that would increase your knowledge about everything, so you'd REALLY have shit to talk about.

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LIFE IS A FUNNY MOTHARFUCKUR. ;3

I love talking about cars, politics, video games, history and movies. None of these things are interesting to most girls. So if I talk about any of these things, i'll come off like a boring nerd.

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Exactly my problem, I hate the fact that clubs/bars are way to fucking crowded/noisy.
And GL trying to isolate/bounce when you havn't got any connection yet.
Im like at ur spot, post above this is helpfull though.

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Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.

If you want a conversation I say the best topics (atleast for me) would be playfulness (not really a topic, something that shows you don't need to stay on topic and you can just float wherever you want to.), life, people, your deepest beliefs about existance, emotions (expressions, like WOW that looks good, just don't get too fanny.)

I always use frame control to make her feel that I'M the one in control, at all times, if I haven't made something happen it ain't ever happening.
e.g.
I talk to a girl for some time, then I suddenly want to snuggle up to her or make her snuggle me.
I shut up and use body language to indicate what I want (I'm shy tbh) if she tries to cut it with talking I just ignore and repeat the body language with the note that what I want must happen before we proceed.

And you love talking about cars, well, that's a good topic to express your emotions about something, yeah, girls LOVE emotions of ANY kind. Enthusiasm. Talk about cars and make your emotions vivid, like something HUGE had just happened. (note: only when established enough rapport)
e.g.
1.
Me talking about WoW with a girl. (I usually don't.)
Me - Ever played WoW?
Her - Umm, no.
Me - Why not? D;
Her - I'm not a computer type.
Me - So you haven't EVER played WoW? You NEVER play video games at all? D;
Her - Nope.
Me - Wow, ok. You don't even want to ever play WoW?
Her - No, why?
Me - I mean, you have a single life and you don't want to experience EVERYTHING it has? I think life's about experiencing every little bit of it. (Starting to create a deeper bond with her here.)
Her - *smiles* (doesn't know what to say, knows I'll lead it on where I want to.)
Me - So what do you enjoy in life?
And so it goes on...

2. Me - Damn, I feel so fucking messed up today. ;[
Her - What happened?
Me - Some guy trashed me in the game. I'm so getting drunk now. (light sarcasm)
Her - ok...
Me - It was like he was doing that and I felt like that but then suddenly he did that and I felt like that. (The emotions should be POINTED OUT as PRECISELY and LIGHTLY as possible, the girl SHOULD sink in to any emotion you act out, if she doesn't it doesn't matter, she thinks of you as an emotional (and powerful) being. AND NO, DON'T BE A WEEPER, let go of those emotions easily, it's like a flash, they were there and then they're gone.)
Her - Aw.
Me - You don't even care. Do you? *sad, aloof, yet powerful* (More emotions.)
Her - You probably feel awful, don't you?
Me - Oh, I'll get over it. It's fine. How are you? (even if it seems a little intrusive, it's fine as long as you frame control correctly, and you know you will.)

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As far as topics, you would only sound like a nerd if you start talking about video games, history, and politics right off the bat. No, you wouldn't seem like a nerd, you wouldn't seem like the person she wants to talk to when she's out with her friends trying to have a good time.

As far as the girls, I've seen it, and it's happened to me. I ask questions, trying to find out interesting things, passions, etc, and get stupid responses back. One time, I asked a girl in nyc about hobbies and she depressingly responded with "I don't know, I dont do much," that's after she initially responded with her job title "because that's what people ask." Sometimes, she answers back with brief, boring answers, which could be because you haven't hooked the set and she isn't interested.

you can always talk about passions. what's something you always wanted to be when you were little, or what do you really want to be when you grow up (add in mystery's "dont tell me princess.")

as far as the number, it happens. I like to always pull out my phone and go to get the number, then pull it away and say "you are awesome, I am going to text you, but are you going to text me back? because I am real and dont play games." or something like that. takes an extra 9 seconds and seems to work out better.

I recommend bridging for a Day 2. set something up "Im going to this awesome pub on friday with my friends, it has the coolest SPAM and some great people, you have to come."

cheers

DB