Ok so NYE for me was interesting to say the least. My options for the night were very limited, and I ended up going to a party where it was pretty much all the people from highschool (graduated june 07). Heading into the party I knew that my options would be very limited, b/c unless I ran the perfect game, I wasnt gonna hookup with any of the girls I knew from highschool. However, I still wanted to go practice my game, and if anything happened, it happened.

So I arrive at the party with about 8 friends at 11pm. The party is already in full swing. I make some rounds, saying hi to people I havent seen in over 5 months (because Ive been living away from home) and I wouldnt consider it building social proof cuz I already pretty much knew everyone there.

Anyways, theres this HB10 (the hottest girl from my graduating class by far) who I hooked up with last year back in my AFC days. Its a long story, but the short of it was that last year I was drunk with her, and her best friend whos a 3 on the 10 scale, and I ended up hooking up with both at the same time (Im not proud of what I did with the 3, but I only did it to hookup with the 10). To say the least, I was a legend among my friends after pulling off that stunt, however I said some bad things about the 3 to the wrong ppl, and it got back to the 10. But, after while she got over it, and we were cool again.

Back to last night...So the HB10 spots me as Im making my rounds and approaches me...

HB10: Hey, how are you doing? omg I havent seen you in so long...wat have you been up to? etc etc

ME: Hey, im doing good etc (small talk BS, I realized she was kinda drunk)

HB: Im so glad you came, I really wanted to see you

ME: Oh ya im sure haha, its ok you dont have to lie about it (jokingly)

HB: No really, Im not lying...I really wanted to see you...

ME: Your not a very good liar are you? (I was trying to move into one of the lies routines, prolly 5 question game)

As I say that last question, her friend comes and grabs her away from me...I act unaffected by it, and just move along to go talk to some more people...So Im just shooting the shit with a few ppl when I come across the HB10 again, and her friend the 3...and they open me...

The 3: Hey "Fogell" hows it going...good to see you (hug)...blah, blah, blah

HB10: This is like a reunion here of last year haha...lets all group hug

ME: Ya, Im not gonna lie its not a night that im proud of (C+F way)
(I look at HB10, she is shocked by that comment)

The 3: (smiling) What are you talking about, you got to hookup with HB10!

ME: (this whole while im trying to be C+F) I say to the 3: "Well I had much more fun making out with you"

HB10: "WHAT?" (she is absolutely shocked)

ME: To HB10: You were still good to, but "The 3" was a better kisser...

HB10: (Just looking at me in disbelief, again I was saying this stuff very jokingly but it seemed like she was taking it seriously)

ME: Haha, Im just kidding around "HB10"...jeez lighten up...look I gotta talk to some other people, good seeing you two...

So I thought that it went well, b/c the HB10 totally expected me to praise her or something, but instead I just negged the shit outta her...So about 2 mins later she comes up to me again...

HB10: Were you serious about saying that I was a bad kisser?

ME: Haha, well i never said you were a bad kisser, but im gonna be honest " the 3" was a little bit better...

HB10: (Just looking at me in shock) Ok, seriously Im really self conscious about this sorta stuff...you didnt have to embarrass me like that, saying that in front of all these people (i said it between her n her friend haha)...blah blah blah....(just going on and on)...

ME: Do you have an off button somewhere (poke forehead)

HB10: (Again, totally floored by the neg)

ME: Look I was just trying to joke around, and get a rise outta you...obviously it worked a little to well...(basically went into an apology b/c she took it way to seriously)

The long and short of it was that I think I negged a little too hard, the good thing was that I didnt stick around to long after that, because there were these girls who were talking shit about my good friend...about how they didnt want him to be at the party...and I defended him, then they started talking shit to me...so I gave it right back to them, and said to my buddy "fuck this, lets bounce to the other party". So me/ my buddy and about 5 other friends went elsewhere for the night...

So basically, because of the events that transpired at the first party, I wasnt able to get any sarging done...I guess I learned that there are boundaries to the art of negging, b/c she clearly reacted really badly to what i was saying

the off button comment after her comming up to you probably just came off as insensitive rather than cocky funny. When she said she was self concious maybe you should have told her not to be, and that if she worked for it she could always have a chance to redeem herself? something to lead to a kiss close at that point might have been better than another neg?

just some rookie thoughts.

i personally wouldn't neg someone too hard if i've already been there and they were demonstrating that they saw value in me (so happy to see you etc showed that you had value with her)
when confronted and not shit tested maybe best not to react as if its a shit test...

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-king

Well, she did aproach you and tell u that she was slef-con so thats a good thing. I wouldnt have neged more at that point, i would have done somthing like grab her hand and be like "come here"....hb:why PUA: just come... and got isolation then just started making out with her. THen you could be "Humm, i retract my earlier comment....u r a good kisser".

Personally, i NEVER apoligise when i neg (Unless i accidently make it too mean and it makes the girl cry). Doing so makes u look weak. If I over neg i just complement once to make up for it.

I did the neg exercise (Go out and neg till the girl gets pissed) a few times just to see how far you can take it. This weekend for examplre when i was with one girl and her HB9 sister came by, i complemented the HB9 sister on her necklase instead of neging her. Why? I allready had tons of social value by making out with her sister and she was smiling at me from the start. A neg wasnt necessary, and proboly would have killed my later makeout with her.

Complements and negs are a fine line to walk, u must take it very carefully. Heck mystery, in his latest yourtube video (Dont ask me i forget, it was in some email list im subscribed to) actually told everyone how he got ejected by a girl the other night because his neg was too much! Thats mystery and he got blown out so dont worry man!

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Kinoescalator
5 for 5 MPUA

"Life is short, when its done u cant start over"

You were making her jump through your hopes but you were DLVing yourself in the process.
Of course she is happy to see you, they all are.

Try not to self deprecate yourself to others. It is a very negative thing.

After that (Because of your prior history) you should have went straight into kino and comfort.

Back to what happened.
At this point, you also should have gone into comfort/kino. She was basically laying herself out to you.

I was to much. You did not need to neg her at all really. After the first one though, you were in.
You should have deployed AMOG tatics on her. Make her seem petty with what she was saying.
Was it;
This guy is a fantastic guy (DHVing him)
or
Telling the girls they do not know what they are talking about?
Talking him up is much more affective. At that point, if they attack you, you can counter and make them look petty.

U: What is up your two asses today? Why are you so angry?
God, does this girl have an off button? (This would have been a perfect time to use it)

Good stuff. Remember that negging is used to de-bitch shield girls.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

Well the girl who started talking shit to me, she basically just yelled at me from a few feet away, and then she started to walk off...and I just stood my ground and yelled back...Using "disarming AMOG" tactics was not in my mindset b/c it came outta nowhere + ive always wanted to bitch this girl out cuz she cock blocked me with the HB10 a while back...and then regarding my friend, they were talking shit about him even though he was in the other room...i pretty much said "who do u think you are, saying certain ppl cant be here, and its not even your party?" and then just went to find my friend to leave.

One main problem is you didnt quite follow cat string theory. You kept pushing away with the negs without pulling her back in with an IOI or something. Even though you had a joking tone, by the 3rd or 4th neg mixed with her insecurity she was just pushed to far. I think you should have given her the opportunity to prove she was as better kisser or something like that. Pretty good that you had hooked up with her before though. Keep it up man.

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-Wej

From what I can see i think you had a chance of kiss closing, and then frowing out another neg, somthing like, "you know what I was right, you are a bad kisser, cmon lets find somthing that your really good at ", from there you could of bounced. But like other people have said here, I think you may have pushed it a bit too far with the negging, when she got insecure you should have given her some chance to come back. Remember the point of neging, it's not to insult them.

Thats my point of view anyway