Alright so for newyears i wanted to go completely without a "plan" and try my natural game...

well... that didnt work at all.......

lol

I think my biggest problem was not negging...

Also i had absolutly NO clue how to ATTRACT her (attraction phase) withot any routines or anything... so basically in every set there was no attraction

I think openers were good as all you had to do was talk about anything and they would open... so unplanned openers went easy


Heres another problem that hapend...

i do magic alot and all my friends know.

I really dont like showing girls magic cuz i really REALLY STRONGLY feel it Demonstates Lower Value kinda showing me as a nerd... i dont know how myestery does it but using magic to attract girl has NEVER worked for me

so anyways, there was this 8 and my friends were like "Yo show her a trick - watch this guy hes amazing!"

and i really didnt want to

so the whole night she was comin up to me and busting my balls not showing her any tricks

so i was like well you dont deserve a trick... and when one of my friends was like just do a trick im just like "the way shes been acting she dont deserve it" lol

basically i REALLY didn't want to show her a trick trying to keep my like Status as to not do what she sais

How would you guys treat this?? like when a girl is busting on you for not doing a trick or sumthing similar...

At the end i got absolutly nothing except for a valuble lesson learned

lol

i learned that unless your a natural, Use negs, use routines to build attraction and USE THE PUA TECHNIQUES BECUASE THEY WORK!!!!!


Just thinkin back to last night... i would have got soo many # if i used game lol

w/e


i wanted to try something different... guess it didnt work


Whats your thoughts on this??

hey now you know what works and what doesnt work

last night i found out that my natural game is alright and i find it more satisfying to myself being able to run game "the natural" way

not to say going by the method doesnt work because i know it does, but i just use it as an outline, not a gameplan

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ye i just hope with alot more practice il become natural lol

U know, when i started PUA i would run 100% PUA routiens and negs. That didnt work for me, as im sure it doesnt for anyone. You need to mix yourself into the routiens and lines. Keep the PUA theory going at all times, but make it your self. I saw a dramitic improvemnt in my sets doing this.

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5 for 5 MPUA

"Life is short, when its done u cant start over"

Being natural does not mean that you do nothing.....

When a girl does something that needs to be called out, do it. If she is being difficult, let her know. Negging does not cause attraction though. Being cocky and funny does but that it not directly negging.

The only routine that I occasionally use is five questions. I do it because I like it. It has to fit the circumstances though.

Attraction is done through being an interesting person. Are you not an interesting person without a routine? I bet you are. I am sure you have an interesting story to tell that has the attraction switches built in. Magic has it also but I will get to that in a minute.

Unplanned openers are called situational openers, and they are golden!!!

So Magic....

Benig someones monkey is DLV. Using a strong asset is not. When all of your friends were bragging about you using magic, you did right by not doing it outright (DHV). When the girl insisted on you doing it again, you should have made her jump through your hoops first, and then you would comply.

HB: Please do magic
U: Nah, I do not want to do it right now.
HB: Please!
U: I tell you what. I'll take a blah drink and while you are getting it, I will set the show up.

Do not do the same trick twice. That would DLV. Even if she runs up with another hot friend and wants you to do it again for her......

Do a different trick. Make them comply in some way with that one also.

The first step in using natural game is stepping outside of your comfort zone. I applaud you for that. Keep it up, you will see how great you will become.

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Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

You sould say: "OK, kiss me and I will show you the trick". If she does, show her the damn trick and if she doesn`t, say to her: "See, I knew you don`t deserve it, if you really wanted to se my magic, you would`v kissed me". Then, she would probably changed her mind and kiss you.

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Natural supreme

Why would you give value to her kiss? It shows to much interest in her at this point.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

i agree with alot of what you said, you said something about negs though, i say don't restrict yourself if thats part of your natural game, i like what you did with the trick and not letting her see one, i do magic too and if i'm ever in that situation i'm gunna try that, did you eventually show her one? i would get into a deep conversation with her somehow and if she said something about herself that i actually found interesting then i'd bust out the magic trick as a reward haha i also know what you mean about magic being a dlv, i did alot when i was sarging last night and i guess what makes it a dhv is all in how you word it, theirs nothing wrong with magic though it's something that anyone would find interesting if they're at the bar or club, everyone wants to try to figure it out so they can call you out on it haha

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No it doesn`t. She is al over him whole night wanting him to do the trick and he doesn`t wan`t do do that. It`s a win/win situation. If she kisses him - bingo. If not - good anyway, she`l be off his back.

But here is matter of value exchange, not one sided value giving. You should be able to see that.

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Natural supreme

dont do this. this sounds like you are desperate for a kiss or are bartering. like the guys who are like "i'll pay you $1000 to jerk me". its just a trade off. i repeat dont do this.

when she says do tricks, dont do them. do it on your own terms. when you do it and she comes back with a friend to have you show the friend, completely deny you know magic. say to the friend "this girl is crazy! she has been bothering me all night to do magic tricks that i dont even know how to do". its just cocky funny and will get them laughing. plus she has to defend herself and go through your hoop instead of you through hers.

remember:

• dont go through her hoop.
  dont try to barter for kisses, hugs, numbers, etc
  dont try and over neg her. if its in excess it really gets annoying and kills the fun. neg doesnt equal attraction.
  use some push pull (example: here i will show you.... actually... never mind. i changed my mind)
  have fun
  do magic because it is interesting and is you. dont do it as a gimmick to talk to women
  craft your magic around pickup. you can altar some basic tricks to do some cool things in the line of pickup

Have you ever tried this? I did, I did this stuff a lot, I did it way before I even knew that some kind of PUA comunitty even exists. And guess what? It worked every time! You call it a trade of? I call it part of the game, a game between male and female where both challenge each other, where both challenge the frame of the other, where you play some kind of "small war" between characters. It is also called flirting, very nice part of the whole seduction process.

I have noticed people here are way to frightened to try new stuff, something that somebody wrote about in some book in a negative way and it suddenly becomes some kind of dogma.

Bullshit!!

Something that didn`t work for some dork who didn`t kiss a girl by the age of 25 (I am saying this randomly, not speaking about any famous PUA in particular) and later he became famous mPUA, doesn`t neccesery mean that it won`t work for others!

I think that many of guys who are searching through forums and books could try to spend some time sarging with, and observing the games of naturals. They could become very surprised with approvement of their own game after few sarges and emulation of natural behaviour.

Afterall, I think every person on this forum (natural or "regular" PUA) will agree that it is 90% more important how you say or do something then the actual words you say!

Marco

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Natural supreme

i used to try this when i was afc or when i first started. never worked for me. i guess it could work if you have good rapport with the girl, but for the most part it just isnt attractive in my eyes. i really think that there should be a push pull way to build up the suspense and tension and then the magic trick to demonstrate some value. i dont think the magic should be a trade off for a kiss. thats just like using magic to get laid. i think the magic should reflect upon you and then you get yourself laid. use the idea of magic to hook the girl in conversation. once she starts chasing keep teasing her and then telling her you wont do it. maybe tell some stories or get some banter going. once you have got her invested, get her her payoff of the trick. once that is done she will think it was cool and probably want to see it again or another trick. dont be a dancing monkey. tell her you are not one and she will be desperate to be around you because she experiences new and neat things around you. this makes you an interesting person not a person who has an interesting trick or is a dancing monkey. make sure to veer away from the magic and dont make magic the center of your conversation because as cool as it is, you dont want to be a one dimensional guy ("oh that guy is that magician. he does cool tricks and is nice but other than that it sounds like he has nothing").

do yourself a favor though and try both ways out. i guess if one way works for him and one not for me and vice versa, then who knows how it will work for you.

I second that! It`s a good advice. Try different ways, in this situation, but also try different styles and methods of seduction in general. You will for sure find one which suits best to your personality and then just practise it untill you master it!

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Natural supreme

Most of the stuff i do is just Natural...i tried applying PUA techniques in every aspect of my game and it just weighed me down...i wasn't getting the responses i wanted...so i just went with my natural game and applied the most necessary tehniques at the right time.

Normally i'll vibe with a girl...i'll DHVmake attraction by being cocky funny, but i would never ever start to think of the next PUA step.
Just roll with it.
Play on Player

I agree, it is a value exchange. That is what I said. His value is the magic trick, and her value is the kiss.

Those do not equate in my world. She has done nothing at this point to gain value in the kiss, especially after busting his balls all night for not doing it.

If this wasn't the first part of the interaction and they had already been more together, I would agree with you. This was the first part of the interaction.

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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)