I have had a recurring problem with gaming my girl mates.

Just before Christmas I me a girl who is friends with my brother gf. 3 weeks ago I picked her up and F-closed. Afterwards, she said she just wants to be friends. We have since been on 3 dates including valentines day and I have been unable to overcome her LMR even though she is clearly interested. I think it is too much baggage.

Another girl mate of mine of 7 years broke up on Christmas eve from her ex. Last night we hooked up and I F-closed and she is adamant to remain just friends.

Any advice guys? I could use some right about now.

OK so this situation doesn't float your guys boat. I have been considering the ins and outs of my situation and think I must have done something to both for them to want me back in the Friend zone.

First thought: They feel played because they both know and have seen me pull chick hotter than them.

Second: I am not passing or reading the shit tests right. One being "I'm really not interested in a relationship. I think its sometimes good to be single"

My response " I tell that to myself every time a golden opportunity strikes me too. It helps calm the nerves"

Good job.

Any guys had successful relationships with woman they broke out of the friend zone with?

Any tips. I love a challenge but maybe its not worth it?

friend zone doesn't really exist man,

it is just the

she doesn't find you attractive zone,

or the,

stop being a pussy and start trying to sleep with her when alone zone,

one of two things eventually ends up happening,

she either sleeps with you again and again,

or eventually she just avoids being around you, just agree to be her friend and keep trying to have sex with her if that is what you want, turn her on and start going for it, all that will happen is resistance, eventually she is either gonna sleep with you, or stop hanging out with you, not too much you can do besides,

-get better at sex so they want it more often
-become more attractive
-give them space and ignore them for a while after they do this to you, so they start to miss you
-keep trying

did either of them ask you out before friend zoning you, or did you get all clingy and in love afterwards? did they lay out expectations from you?, how did you manage them?

The one I have known the longest I have continually turned down for years since we met. I will honestly say I enjoy her company as a friend. I have not had alot of trouble picking up HB8s-10s and she is a HB7.5. I have never wanted a relationship with her. Because she knows me and how easily I have picked woman up, she considers me a player and is looking for a husband, kids and the white picket fence. She is 4 years older than me, and I generally prefer younger woman.

Clearly she can see, and knows me well enough to know I am not all that likely to stick around, and she says she can't do friends with benefits.

The other one is hot but a head screw, full of mixed messages. And her attraction for me has been waning these past few weeks. She went from being so into me and sleeping with me, to nearly a complete ice box. I have never experienced anything like it before. She told me, other than her ex fiance the only man she says she had ever been with I was the only other guy shes been into, to saying lets just be friends. I think she felt like a slut and disloyal to her ex fiance, who she says she still loves. This one confuses me the most.

I have been considered by my friends great at natural game, and many woman I have been with are still on the hook and love having sex with me.

Is there something I am clearly missing?

Pumpington has a interesting point about friendzone not existing. Not sure i agree with that but definitely gonna think about it.

But i digress. What i meant to say is that perhaps you are a good friend of theirs and they are afraid of losing your friendship by going forward with the relationship

In my personal experience, if you hook up with a friend, there is always a big chance things are gonna turn out for the worse.

Btw, i'm not even sure you were truly in the friendzone. For me, friendzone is when you try to pick up a girl and she "just wants to be friends". This is getting friendzoned. Now if you have a friend, close her at the first time you actually try to pick them up than there was always attraction involved.

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What about the freeze out? She is attracted to me, I have not acted needy or too keen but after closing her at our second ever meeting, she begins distancing herself, even though enjoying a couple of good dates.

I guess if I couldn't close on valentines day I must have done something to blow out.
I had a very successful six months prior. The best close rate of my life.

I am lost. I DHV, Neg, Kino escalate, AMOG repell, deflect shit tests and have her laughing her head off. I have her friends approval and bang, still no action. WTF.

Is this some form of Karma, or am I just having a form slump? I do not think PUA's should ever have a form slump. ARRRRRRRGGGHH.

I would like a woman if possible to answer why they think this may have happened???? (Guys comment too)

^these are her expectations, how did you manage them?
what do you want with this girl, express your intent, she then either gives compliance or she doesn't, if she is non compliant, don't waste your time on her, she will come back around and offer compliance if things change
I like to think attraction is fairly stable and solid, where as interest is constantly changing, emotions run up and down, girls are interested in you, and not interested in you, one thing you can do, is just stay true to what you want, and know what it takes to get it, continue doing what you know works to get what you want, if she does not reciprocate, don't waste your time on her, a freeze out is for you, not for her sometimes it is not you, sometimes it is, don't be so hard on yourself, we all go through dry spells when we are not active, and sometimes you go through really really great periods where everything is going amazing, girls are not robots, dhv, neg, kino does not = sex, it is the equivalent to socializing and maintaining interest in further socializing, girls are finicky about who they sleep with, it is often they want a guy who they find both physically and emotionally attractive, if you lead heavily into one or the other, it can soften one side for you, depending on the girl, and there are a good a million other variables that you can never truly predict, trying to figure out what a girl is thinking or get an explanation from one on why is silly (that isn't to say that sometimes you won't recognize similar occurrences and similarities that can lead you to form generalizations), don't worry about what girls are doing and how it isn't working for you, worry about yourself and what you want, then go out and try to get it, if you are having problems with girls, go out and meet new ones, you eventually will find girls that you click with, that you find physically passable that don't give you these headaches/problems, your success will be determined by how many girls you approach and how much effort you put into picking them up, girls come and go, don't worry about the crazy ones, if you find a girl and she is interested, you sleep with her then she looses interest, then just don't waste your time on her, it is easier to find a new girl that isn't broken, then to fix and old one, freeze her out for yourself and find new girls, and keep in mind that the only true rejection is a girl will not be around/speak to you, you can always try to escalate in person and deliver intent, if she seriously isn't having it, then just move on

Keep posting man, friendzone is definitely on of the sticking points of the community and is worth discussing about. If we can help you with your situation, all the better

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This made me chuckle

As pump said friend zone is actually the "I don't find you attractive" zone so yes I believe that is a sticking point for most guys. Problem with this community is 90% of guys have no fucking clue what it means to be attractive and come here for secret lines, "the cube" and how to pretend they have confidence.

People need to learn the foundation of attracting women and this friend zone will not exist.

Ok Smooth op and pump, point taken. I agree that there should be no friend zone but I do have girls that are just friends by choice.

I have turned one or two of them on and it ended friendships never to be recovered fully.

They try to act as if they are above all the other girls I pull. One problem encountered is once you go out with or sleep with a girl mate, they become super protective, and even cut you off from the usually steady supply of hot mates of theirs.

If you don't want this to happen, tread carefully and think hard. So many other HB's to have fun with.

Over and Out.