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phew FINALLY I caught up to the end!

Great journey, Daniel... I read all 56 pages in 3 Days. You should seriously consider publishing your story once you reach your pinnacle. You have a great knack for writing and it's even more impressive that English is not even your primary language.

It's interesting how reading about your life really made me reflect on how I'm living my life. Seems like we both have a lot in common. I'm kind of the "overly nice" guy too but I discovered the PUA community not too long after you and I too have been working on maintaining an "edgier" and more spontaneous lifestyle.

Anyway, as most of your readers will agree, this is a very inspiring journey. A real confidence booster for anyone that ever felt like the "underdog."

As far as your current situation with Swiss Girl, I wish you the best of luck. I can tell she's the first girl you were really blown away by since you go into the game! Remember though, even though it's hard to know that she hasn't been responding to you, that is not OK to try and call or message her everyday. I'm afraid you might have missed your opportunity to "seal the deal" by not kiss closing. Especially when she left to go home for the holidays.

I hope she will contact you soon, but i would not keep trying if you aren't getting through. It will come off as needy and demonstrate low-value behavior. Cat-string theory applies to many things with women, if you throw yourself at them and make yourself too available, they will not be interested.

Best of luck! I look forward to continue reading about your progress!

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@Tweeby and Stylite.

Thank you guys for the support.

Publishing my story?! Haha. I have a good start but I'm still missing the rebirth of the phoenix to make it interesting! Haha. Someone get Neil Strauss for me!
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It's interesting how reading about your life really made me reflect on how I'm living my life. Seems like we both have a lot in common. I'm kind of the "overly nice" guy too but I discovered the PUA community not too long after you and I too have been working on maintaining an "edgier" and more spontaneous lifestyle.


I'm glad to read this.

As far as Swiss Girl is concerned, I think she won't contact me anymore. I don't think I've done anything wrong though. Maybe she is with another guy now. I don't know. I won't beat myself up with that story.

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Just like a load of other guys I just spend a few days reading your entire journal. Well at least all your updates. It is amazing how you have changed. You improved so much.

I am going to suggest a few things to you. Maybe they were discussed before. I noticed that you often are not interested in girls sexually and therefore ignore them pretty much. I think from a social point of view that is a mistake. I try to number close every girl I meet and every cool guy. Yes that's right even the guy! You know why? They might have hot friends! It has worked for me on several occasions. My current gf is a friend of a girl I originally went on a date with.
Also I do not understand why you do not meet up with other guys that do Pua in Paris, I am sure there must be some around. In my home town my best friends are all guys I met through PU.

In regards to your job, I personally would always go for the job that makes you the happiest! Being happy in your job is a massive DHV.

Also you need to take into consideration different nationalities when it comes to girls. Girls from certain countries are much easier to k close than others.

For example: girls from south Africa grow up much more sheltered than girls in the uk. So you are much more lickly to get a SNl from an English hb than a south African one. So do not be supprised if certain things do not work out, even though your game was solid. It just goes against their upbringing to do certain things. I know a girl that would kiss 10 guys in a night club but never sleep with any. And that includes famouse athlets etc. so guys you would think could get about any girl into bed.

Reading your journal was like reading a good book. I actually got so excited for you when you got your first k close and f close. Keep up the good work.

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Nothing is over with her. I have a tendency to wait for things to happen. I don't want to fall for this again. It will be over when she rejects me. Period. I'll call her back next week.
Love the attitude man! Even if it doesn't work with her (looks like that lead went cold) persistence is a good quality.


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NEW CHAPTER.

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DAY 84: Opening a new journal.
Reality check: 1 2, 1 2.

Some news.
The last time I wrote on my journal was about fifteen days ago. I got badly sick and had to stay home most of the week to get better. I've spend the next week picking myself up: I worked on some projects, took some photographs and applied to job offers. To be honest, I felt pretty bad after that "wasted" week after getting sick and needed some time to get back on tracks.

Being sick brought me down for 2 days, I've spent the rest of the week at home, with no social interaction at all (except for my parents) and got amazingly lazy. I knew I had to stop that vicious circle so I started the usual process to get back on my feet: I got things done and did what I enjoy. I applied for some jobs in the mornings, and usually went out (even though it's freaking cold in Paris right now) a take some pictures and enjoy a book I've been willing to finish for a while: Spinoza's Ethics. I learn so much from this philosopher, it was a real pleasure to finally be able to understand his concepts (even though I still have a lot of work to master it).

Creating sense in chaos.
I have nothing to complain about. Really. I consider myself as extremely lucky. I do "suffer" from some insecurities and doubts that usually prevent me from achieving, but I'm trying my best to see things clearly and understand them. I've always been like that... I've always been curious, passionate and I can't stand spending a day without learning anything. When it happens, I usually feel pretty bad actually. I do ask myself a lot of questions about everything. I know some people don't do that at all, but I would argue most of us do that. Why am I speaking about that? Well this is my take on inner game.

As thinking creatures, we can't help putting a layer of ideas on reality. This is how we reassure ourselves when we face something - such as the real world in general - we have little impact on. We try to make sense out of what we are confronted to. This is our way to create a comfort zone where we don't see any: we empower ourselves with ideas we create out of the world around us. Good thing? Maybe, until you're confronted to something that burst your bubble of sense and makes you realize it was not consistent.

This is me since always, but specially since I got back from Brazil. Everything is in chaos around me: my family, my friendships, my plans for the future, my ambitions in the dating world... I've been trying really hard to make sense out of all this. The journal "helped" obviously. The thing is every time I tried making sense out of what's happening, I realized sooner or later that these ideas, these projections where I see myself succeeding in X or Y area were futile. They are basically an attempt to reassure myself, to create a illusion of comfort that I made up. These ideas/projections/layers are not consistent since they are the result of my imagination. Simply put, I made up stuff to make me feel good.

Ethics of life.
I think the key to inner game is to understand how we work and fight our tendency to be slaves of our emotions/passions. As far as I am concerned, I have to stop picturing ideas to empower myself, but actually empower myself in reality. I need to get out of this delusional world I wish I was in, and confront myself with reality.

Everybody's different, we all have our own purpose, desires... Masturbation is something that doesn't work out for me: it brings me down, it narrows my power of influence in the real world. Learning is something that empowers me. Same for social interactions, having a walk in the streets of Paris or having the balls to go talk to a girl. Every time I do something that brings me down, I lose a part of my identity since I am my purpose, and in the end, everyone's purpose is to be empowered (in order to prosper, existing in the end goal of every being). Inner Game is nothing more than an ethic of life, that is to say, a set of strong principles that urges you to do what is right to empower yourself.

But wait Daniel, sometimes external things bring you down... Indeed. Your job is to understand why it does bring you down and observe yourself. Yet, as a general rule, the consequence of an action (or non action) on your "power" is far more important than a external affection of it. More clearly, we lose a bigger part of who we are in the first case. For instance, avoiding an interaction you wanted to have makes you feel worse than having a bad interaction.

I won't get any further but what I've written is strongly inspired by Spinoza's philosophy, so take a look if you have the opportunity. The key is understanding (= using reason) to free yourself from the fluctuation of your "soul", and do what really empowers you.

What about the Game and the journal?
I'm still in, but it's clearly not a priority for me. As far as the journal is concerned, I won't update it as often as I used to do. I'll just focus on the necessary. I'll also change the template for something simpler.

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DAY 85: First date with Pondichery Girl.
"I don't care if things go fast sexually"


Context.
I've met this girl at a small party organized by a Brazilian friend. There was no potential target at all, she was the only one I found cute. The fact that she of Indian origin was attractive to me. This was a good opportunity to get experience when it comes to dates.

(I won't write the strategy anymore since I know everything I need to succeed. Yet I suggest Chief's Guide to Outer Game. Reading this article lately has been a good reminder. chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html )
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Preparation.
I put her on hold for two weeks since I was sick. She sent me some messages about my photographs on Facebook, she was impressed. I asked her out and we agreed on going to that Brazilian bar I know. We met at 8pm. As soon as I saw her, what I was expecting happened, I was doubting. Since I was expecting it, I managed it.

The date.
I did my first mistake when we sat down. I sat in front of her, letting the table between us, instead of sitting next to her. I was not sure how to justify the fact that I sit next to her, well that's stupid, I don't have to justify anything... but the doubt was here. I quickly got the conversation going. I was dominant in every aspect, had a good eye contact and was smiling like Brad Pitt. We spoke a lot about myself at the beginning actually. I was leading the interaction but I was the one speaking more. Good news is, I was successfully DHV-ing like a king. After seeing my photographs, she was now learning about my studies, my travels and my state of mind. It was really smooth since these elements were appearing in stories, and were not just answers to questions.

Even though it was hard for me to escalate because of the table, I wanted to take the conversation to another level. I asked her if she had a relationship with a Spanish while she was studying in Madrid. Told me she did and started to tell me how "clingy" he was. I liked that and took the opportunity to speak about my state of mind: I couldn't really picture myself in a long relationship (with her at least). She told me the Spaniard she used to date took 2 weeks to tell her I love you. I laughed and said that would have freaked me out: "I don't care if things go fast sexually, but getting emotionally attached this quick is not sane". I told her that looking right in her eyes. She didn't react negatively at all. Since we were speaking about it, she asked me if I had been with a Brazilian. I kind of ignored the question by telling her how open Brazilians are with sex, but let her know I knew Brazilian girls pretty well and have been to a motel.

Swiss Girl taught me something important. She taught me what a first date was for. A first date is to better screen someone. She screened me and I got no news since then. I failed. That's what I wanted to do with Pondichery Girl: I wanted to see if we had enough in common to actually date. It turns out she has no real passion, don't really enjoy dancing, don't play any instruments... actually, I don't even know what she does in her spare time.

Leaving.
We agreed to leave at some point. Live music was playing, we managed to go through the crowd and leave the place. We walk to the metro station, I kissed her goodbye on both cheeks and we split. I didn't go for the kiss since I didn't want to... and it was not congruent at all, I didn't have the opportunity to play with the compliance ladder... I told her we should do something next week. She agreed. I've sent her a text message to check if she arrived home safely, she told me yes and offer a "Spanish" bar next time.

I know for sure that she is not the kind of girl I'm looking for to date. Yet, she didn't seem freaked out at all when I mention sex or having fun. Should I see her again and try to turns this into a friend with benefits relationship?
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Positive aspects.
- Cocky & funny comedy worked well: I made her laugh several time with jokes, but also by being a bit cocky. I didn't play more on the cocky side since my DHV-stories were already playing for me.
- DHV-ing was extremely easy. I managed to show value in my behavior and stories without sounding to cocky or arrogant.
- I managed to challenge her. At some point she even started to qualify herself when I told her "soooo you have no passion at all..."
- I showed dominance in my interactions with her and the people around us: I was handling the situation.
- I had a good mindset: I assumed attraction and was considering this date as a screening opportunity for me.
- My conversational skills were really helpful, I got her to speak about personal stuff.
- I've got some IOIs: she touched my arm to get my attention at some point, she qualified herself, ...
- My smile was good.

Negative aspects.
- Escalation is still a sticking point for me, I didn't try hard enough despite the difficulties.
- I was not aroused at all... It's been more than 3 weeks without masturbation at all, yet the date didn't aroused me.
- I spoke too much, specially at the beginning, but to be fair she didn't have a lot to say.
- Even though I was expecting it, doubt came early in the date: is she hot enough? is she fun enough? blah blah

What I've learned.
- Dates are no big deal, it's just a way to screen a girl to see if she is a potention partner.
- DHV-ing with stories allowed me not to be perceived as arrogant.
- I have to meet more girls to get more experience in dates... I'm starting to really like the concept of date.

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You win some you lose some! (By the way I really like your inner game post!)


Obviously she's not a girl you are attracted to otherwise you would've known from the start. Seems like she has nothing to offer you.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it, If I was in your position I probably wouldn't even bother seeing her again (well, maybe platonically or something)

Plenty of fish in the sea, why waste your time with a goldfish when you can get yourself a dolphin (Yes, I know a dolphin is a mammal, not a fish, ... semantics... )


Anyway, Good luck on continuing your journey! I'll keep reading :)

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Quick Update.

Here's small update on various topics.

Inner Game.
Since I received some positive comments on my small inner game reflection, I've decided to write a bit more about it. I've written a lot about empowerment, that is to say, developing your power/abilities. Empowering yourself is the purpose of any being since being empowered basically mean, being more able to be, to exist. I'm not sure "power" is actually a good word for this explanation. Note that in French, "power" is "pouvoir", which also mean "being able to". By empowering yourself, you extend you "powers", that is to say, what you are capable of doing.

How do you do that? And what's the relation with feeling good about yourself? Well, according to Spinoza, every emotion/feeling is based and constructed on two basic emotions: joy and sadness. As an example, love is joy coming with an external object (someone usually). Respectively, hate is sadness coming with an external object. Every emotion can be explained, broken down into a series of event implying those basic emotions. As a last example, envy is the result of noticing someone enjoying something that bring joy to him. Pity is the contrary. But what's the relation with empowering yourself? Well, according to the author, every actions, idea that bring joy to you, empowers you. On the contrary, what makes you feel sad brings you down. Obvious.

So we can picture ourselves as being enslaved to our capacity to feel those two basic emotions (joy and sadness) that influence our power. Spinoza was actually one of the first great thinker to say that we are what we can, so every time you restrain your power, you let go a part of yourself. We hence pursue what brings us joy and try to avoid, destroy what brings us down (because of our strive to be/exist). How to escape that condition? Well, Spinoza would say a meditation on life is necessary, that is to say, you need to be able to observe and understand how your emotions work (explained above), that's one of the keys where true empowerment comes from.

The thing is, we quickly go from joy to sadness and from sadness to joy in the fraction of a second. That's the "fluctuation of the soul", as opposed at "the firmness of the soul" or "the strength of the soul". That's why he entitled his most important book "The Ethics". Freeing ourselves from that enslavement to passion is all about self-discipline and actions: to be able to choose to do what is right according to your reason, and not your emotions. What really empowers you? What is your strongest desire? We all had at some point a moment of pure beatitude, or pride, where we felt unstoppable when we achieved something we really wanted. That's what we want out of this Ethics of life. It's not easy, but it's the way to go.

It's not about who we are, but what we can. It's about stopping being passively swung in the flow of our emotions, and take actions in the direction that is right for you. It's about being active, autonomous. That's how to be “free” to the extent that whatever happens to you won't result from your relations with things outside you, but from your own nature.

Interesting, huh?

Dating Opportunities.
Pondichery Girl: I don't have a lot in common with her, even though communication works well between us. As a matter of fact, I wasn't really attracted to her during the date, even though she's cute. I don't really know what to do here. I'll think about it.

Princess: Remember that European girl from Brazil? She used to make out a lot during parties. I managed to go out with her once and we stayed together for 3 or 4 hours without taking any action. I like her. She is beautiful and we have a lot in common. Yet, communication sucks between us. I don't really know how to connect with her to escalate things up. I asked her to come with me to see an exposition in Paris, I didn't do it in a gaming purpose, but I'd like to figure it out.

Brazilian in Paris: I've met this Brazilian girl in the same bar as Swiss Girl. We've seen each other a couple of time since she invites me to parties sometimes. She is the kind of girl that play games and shit test a lot. Again, communication is an issue here. Anyway, she really like my photographs on Facebook and is now asking me to go out "one day next week" to get some drinks. Not really sure what to do about her, but can be good field of experiment.

Brazilian Brunette: The girl I'd been seeing back in Brazil is coming to Paris in less than one month for a few days. We reserved a hotel, I'm planning to show her the city.

German Girl: I had an amazing relation with her when I was in Brazil. Communication is great between us. She's in Germany currently but I've kept contact with her. After the Swiss Girl delusion, I wanted to show myself I could escalate directly... It was childish, but I told the German Girl I wanted to have sex with her just for the hell of it... She now wants me to come to visit her.

It's funny, the more interested I am in a girl, the more troubles I have communicating with them. I can really get some nice interactions going on with some girls, but getting this result with others (often hotter) is a pain. On a more general note, I'm taking actions with every woman I've been meeting lately. I had a date with Swiss Girl, Pondichery Girl... I need to meet more women.

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DAY 86: going to a party, escalating with Princess.
"We have so many things in common"

Context.
I invited Princess (the European girl I've met in Brazil) to a photo exposition since I knew she was into photography. We agreed on going on Saturday. Some days after, she offered to go to a Carnaval party in a Parisian club with the exchange students who where in Brazil with us. This field report is about that crazy night. Going to a party and seeing these friends was a good opportunity for me to practice a bit, specially on Princess. I've always had major difficulties understanding her... Communication just sucks between us, we have a lot in common though, but I've never been able to get really close to her. At the same time, I got shit tested a lot and get some IOI's.

Strategy.
I need to learn from that chaos and find a way through all those frictions I have when interacting with her. Here are some points I wanted to focus on:
- Connect with her by talking about relationships: that's a subject we all have in common and it worked pretty well for me in the past. It can also help me DHV and get rid of small talk and address the core of her personality.
- Honesty: we have troubles understanding each other, well let's speak about it. Maybe she feels that way too.

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Summary (for lazy people): my plan to connect with her worked well. I managed to isolate her quite easily. She was mine, but realize I didn't really want her. We left the club together.

Texting on Valentine's day.
She invited me on Tuesday, it was Valentine's day. Since I already thought about my Saturday date with her, I started to apply my strategy. At the end of a loop about the party, I asked her what she got for V-day. It was a way for me to know if she was seeing someone. Told me she had nothing, her "bf" was not talking to her in a few days. She asked the question back and I took the opportunity to DHV and take his boyfriend's side in a "what did you do to him bad girl?". I didn't want to criticize him since I didn't want her to take his defense. She explained the situation which was absolutely AFC. We stopped texting.

Warming up at a friend's place.
We all agreed on meeting at a friend's place to have some drinks before going there. She was the only girl, and as always she was getting a lot of attention... except from me. A guy was clearly enjoying interacting with her. From a game perspective, he had already lost. I was enjoying myself, talking to my friends, talking to her from time to time, never gave her my total attention. The night was just starting and I knew she would come to me at some point or the other.

At some point, she joined me in the sofa and we started to speak a bit. The guy who was enjoying speaking to her asked her to come between us (a spot was free between him and I)... I told her that she should go, "he probably wants to hit on you"... she rolled her eyes and stayed with me. At that point, the room was mine. I connected with all the guys in the party (I knew most of them) and the only girl was speaking to me. I'm starting to be good at those social dynamics.

I was slowly getting tipsy but my game was okay. We started to speak and I introduce my delightful subject: relationships. We started to speak. Told her I was seeing someone but we had nothing in common (Pondichery Girl). "It's often like that, but sometimes it's the other way around, you have a lot in common with a person, but communications suck and you just can't figure it out". With this small sentence, I managed to get her started "wait is it what you think about us, I mean we have so many things in common". Bingo. We were now speaking close to each other, escalating. The others were starting to notice. At some point she told me "we should date/hang out" but I couldn't say if she actually said that. Music was loud, alcohol was diffusing my attention.

A new light on an old event.
When I got back from Brazil, I wanted to take her to a American Dinner 50-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=740 to get a US breakfast and see each other again. On my way to the place, she texted me she would come with someone (the guy she's with now). I played it cool and actually connected with the guy a lot. Well I finally know the true version of that story. The guy actually didn't want her to go by herself to the dinner with me. I knew at that point that I was winning the Game. She told me about her relationships in Brazil, the guys she's been with... I considered some of them way "better" than me.

The party.
As we got in there, I actually met some guys from my business school. That was a huge DHV for me again. We went to the dance floor with all our friends and started to dance. I like to dance. I really enjoy it... but when it comes to dance with a girl... I get stuck. I didn't know how to escalate with her, I didn't have enough experience to do that even though I've already danced with girls. But yeah it was not working out at all. After more than one hour dancing slightly drunk. I decided to quit and went to the bar upstairs. As I was there, I opened two strangers, one was Japanese, and the girl he was with was American. As I was doing small talk with them, the girl actually started to hit on me in French. That was fun. I got my drink and went back to the dance floor. I've met Princess again who seemed a bit bored/tired. Told her to go upstairs with me. Isolation. Grabbed her by the wrist and lead her. As we were walking to go there, I noticed several guys checking her out. I smiled at some of them but wasn't really understanding why all these guys found her so attractive.

Isolating in the lounge.
Perfect, the plan was going well. I was not alone with her, got her full attention in a perfect set to escalate. We were sitting close to each other, facing. Alcohol was not helping me though, not at all. It was the go for it moment. There was just one problem: I didn't want her. I don't really know what to tell you, it's just like that. She is just not right for me. We spoke more about relationships and all... She told me she liked me because I had "values" (lol actually, also because of my value I guess).

Leaving with her.
She wanted to leave, I followed her. I was a bit drunk and kept up opening a lot of people just for the fun. We got our coats and left the club to walk to the metro station. I was doing the claw. I had my arm around her neck, my hand on her right shoulder, holding her hand. I eventually kissed her chick, slightly touching her lips but that's all. I didn't want more. We waited for the metro together as she was checking her phone to see the emails her "boyfriend" sent her. He was all "I love you" but in a really AFC way as far as I understood. She told me about it. It was boring. We took the metro and said goodbye. I was seeing her a few hours later for our exposition.

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Positive aspects.
- Logistics went good, I was worried about it before going to the party.
- Physical Appearance: I had a one-day beard, dressed nicely, clean hair cut...
- I really had fun, enjoyed seeing my friends from Brazil.
- Social Dynamics: I was able to show an amazing amount of value without doing a lot.
- I'm getting experience in a club environment.

Negative aspects.
- I don't know what I want: Princess was all mine, back in Brazil I would be dying to get attention from her but I didn't feel that way at all that night. I was genuinely not that attracted. Half of the guys in the club would be dying to make out with her. I wasn't.
- Dancing skills: I suck when it comes to grab a girl by the arm to dance with me.
- I was not aroused at all again... Even when I isolated her... and it's been almost 4 weeks without any masturbation.
- I spoke too much again... it's bad specially when there's no need for it.
- I was too drunk to have a good game, but not enough to be able to grab her and dance with her.
- I didn't open any unknown girl with a Game intention, a lot of guys and mixed groups though.

What I've learned.
- Social dynamics are a really important tool to master.
- When communication is an issue with a girl, let her know how you feel about it.
- I am picky (maybe too much?) To be honest that Swiss Girl was a girl I really wanted to get, but I've failed. Girls I'm meeting now are just not as "high value" as I would like, I want somebody that charms me.
- I have to meet more higher value girls, but for that, I have to approach out of my social circles.
- Straw Man technique work well.

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Quick Update.

Here's a small update on my date with Princess.

The date with Princess.
I got home at 6am after the party. Slept a few hours and got up to meet Princess for our Photo exposition in Paris. I took my camera. I was really tired and in a bad state because of the alcohol, but I dressed, gathered my belongings and went there.

I arrived late and the queue was already too big to get in there. We decided to go to another museum in order to see another expo she's read about on the newspaper. As we were walking there, she showed me a nice photography store. We finally get to the museum. As we enter, we were informed that it was already too late but we still could see the permanent exposition... which was pretty boring to me. We finally sit in the sit in the garden of the museum and we started my little photography class. She took some pictures. Nothing special but it was nice to practice that photography routine on a girl. It allows me to get close and to DHV about my modest skills.

I was bored and way too tired to make it fun. We went to a café to get hot drinks. I was showing better Game, getting a conversation going and looking passionate. But still bored. I could feel she wanted me to go further. She actually tried to break the rapport at some point: "you always seem preoccupied when you're with me" (that's actually really good game). Finished my sip of hot chocolate, looked at her and replied in a cocky way: "I'm not preoccupied, it's just that I'm smart, and smart people kind like to look preoccupied". She laughed, cocky is always a good way to get out of a "bad"situation. Truth is I was bored, and my smile wasn't making up for it. Yet again, she was waiting for me to escalate, to tell her that I wanted to be with her and all that... which I didn't want to do. Guess I do piss girls off. As I was putting my scarf around my neck (still cold here) to leave, she asked me "what's your perfume?". I answered to her question. "Is it the same as yesterday?" It actually wasn't. I think she was a bit clueless on how to escalate with me. She did her job though, gave lots of IOIs and all but something is not working out between us, I don't want a relationship with her, considering the time we've spent together.

My journey.
I got into the Game to be able to date and meet amazing women, the kind that truly charms you. I haven't really met any woman like that for now, truth is, I don't go for it enough. Only one woman who really amazed me was Swiss Girl. That's the kind of girl I want for a relationship. I'm now having dates with several women. I'm getting experience, the experience I lacked to get the kind of woman I wanted. The next step is pretty clear, I need to approach the women I really want... and that might be the harder part. I'll work on it.

In the meantime, I have no idea what to do with Pondichery Girl or even Princess. Those girls are cute but they're just not what I'm looking for from what I've seen. I could obviously try to go for a lay and keep on escalating... but I'm actually really hesitating about all that. Should I keep on dating girls I'm not that interested in? Escalate? Have sex with them? That's my question. Any take on that would be welcome.

Pondichery Girl.
As I was writing this update, she texted me. She'd like to see me on Wednesday... I think I'll ask if she's available during the day to keep on getting experience in day dates. On another note, it seems like I've finally managed to flip the script and be the chased one... Good.

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Those girls are cute but they're just not what I'm looking for from what I've seen. I could obviously try to go for a lay and keep on escalating... but I'm actually really hesitating about all that. Should I keep on dating girls I'm not that interested in? Escalate? Have sex with them? That's my question. Any take on that would be welcome.
This is only a question you can answer. My friend is in a similar situation, he is regularly number closing girls that are average looking and they are chasing him.

But he has no interest in f-closing them because he has already been there and done that so he wouldn't learn all that much from it. I know that you cut down on masturbation, so your desire should be off the scale.

If these girls don't turn you on enough then you aren't interested.

There is something in the Gunwitch method which says something like:

'Picture yourself alone with this mediocre girl. Imagine none of your friends will ever find out about her. Imagine her running her fingers through your hair then resting her head in your laps and looking to your eyes.'

Would you have the desire to f-close? That's about it...

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@Tweeby.
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If these girls don't turn you on enough then you aren't interested.
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'Picture yourself alone with this mediocre girl. Imagine none of your friends will ever find out about her. Imagine her running her fingers through your hair then resting her head in your laps and looking to your eyes.'

Would you have the desire to f-close? That's about it...
I think you've made a good point here. I think I wouldn't. I'm in the Game to get "better" women, not average ones.

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Quick Update.

Here's a small update on my date with Pondichery Girl.

Pondichery Girl.
We've met during the day as I wanted. I brought my camera to play the routine I've worked on and actually did it. We went to a park in the first place and sit in a bench. Since she was interested on my pics, I taught her some photography basics. She was not that interested in what I was saying which wasn't a good thing for me. We went to the coffee right after, we talked. I wasn't bad in the conversation part, except that I was talking too much. I made her laugh as usual but I wasn't feeling really attracted. I walked her to the metro station, as I was leaving she said "we'll have another coffee or something"... I'm not so sure about that. I gained more experience in dates though and that's good. I'll get more numbers.

Job.
I had a really good interview a few days ago for a communication agency that would be a perfect place to work. They're hesitating between two "profiles". I really hope I'll get it. As far as I've understood the odds are playing for me. We'll see. It would be an amazing opportunity to extend my social circle too now that I think about it. I would meet tons of people. On another note, I was incredibly confident during that interview... I joked around, spoke clearly...

My journey.
I'm feeling like I'm just starting to live. I feel really good currently. My journal used to be a place where I would let my emotions pour in. This time is over. I want it to be a cold analysis of what's going on. Honestly, studying Spinoza's Ethics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza has been life changing. I want to keep going. I've also kept working out, I've even bought more weight.

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Salut,

Well, I've spent like the last three hours reading this thread.

What I've seen was great. Real great. Must admit I did not read it all, basically skipped your brazilian experience. Still, I think that was positive, 'cause I've seen your changes from AFC France, to Current France.

You've improved. Dramatically.

I'll surely follow your journal from now on. I'll try to help in everything I can, but I guess you'll be the one helping me, as you already have.

Who knows, maybe I'll start a journal myself and ask for your advice, even though I do not have that much time for sarging.

Well, keep it up.
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