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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:40 am 
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I stopped and made one quick approach at the nearby college campus on the way home. I did not show any intent early enough and again I failed to escalate. Unfortunately, she informed me that she had a boyfriend about five minutes into the conversation, which killed the rest of my interaction. The good thing about this interaction is I made great eye contact and did not talk as fast or as much as usual. I have a little too much fluff talk however, and I can hear myself cutting her off sometimes, which is completely unacceptable. I could have qualified her more and teased or rewarded her responses. Much work needs to be done, but I plan to continue mass approaching some more women directly until I see no major flaws in my game. The interaction was about fifteen minutes and total and I just took her information for facebook, but I have no plans to follow up. I attached the you tube link of the approach below.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oInweImd2lw


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I went to a college campus early to visit friends and do some day game as it was Halloween weekend. I managed to make a few approaches during the day. I was blown out quite a few times, but managed a few decent interactions. Some of the approaches are below.

Approach #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmvddQk_wow

This was just a quick three-minute number close in which I was able to number close, but not able to build much rapport.

Approach #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCulgEF9pLE

This was a twenty-five minute approach in which I number closed. It was an extremely boring interaction where I failed to demonstrate intent or sexual escalation. My two major sticking points continue to haunt me. I also catch myself talking too much and too fast and therefore cutting her off. I need to be more “smooth” in my interactions and focus on getting her to become invested. It sounds like I am trying way to hard to impress these women. I need to keep it simple by qualifying and rewarding or teasing her responses followed by some rapport building and a number close.

Approach #3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_k1MFePtnk

This interaction was about twenty minutes long and I managed to number close. Again I am talking too much and too fast. My energy level might be a bit too high. I need to slow down during my interactions and THINK before I speak. This will help make sexual escalation and intent easier for me to demonstrate. I also need to come up with better stories in which I can use to increase my value for my interactions. However, for this interaction and the previous interaction I did use some kino and use really powerful eye contact.

I went out at night with a wingman and I simply wanted to go direct the whole night. We approached numerous sets and managed to get the interest of a two set. We ended up taking them back to their place for a scary movie and spending the night. I managed to re-live college for some day and night game. It was a learning experience for me as I am now truly aware of what I am doing wrong with respect to cold approaching.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Hey man, I listened to your new approaches that you put up, and I thought I’d clarify or expand a bit on the comments I left a week or two ago. And again, my disclaimer is that I’m no guru, and my own journal certainly isn’t chock full of lay reports yet, so just take what I say with a grain of salt. Anyways, just take it as just another dude’s opinion or whatever.

One of my comments was that you should show more intent rather than just make the whole thing a friendly chit chat. I thought about it a bit as I listened to your conversations, and maybe I should clarify a bit about what I meant.

You start off really well, and just by going direct in the first place you’re already showing your intent right from the start. So having said that, the chick should know exactly why you approached her and what your intentions are. So you start of strong and just drift into regular fluff talk and then end up getting her number at the end.

The only approach where I heard you get the number was the first one, and you said something about we should keep in touch, let’s trade numbers. I’m not sure if that’s what you say for all of them, because the other ones are cut off at the 10 min mark.

I think that this is where you need to remind her of the intent, and you should try to close off a little stronger, just like how you opened. In your own words, as you’re ending things, you could say something like ‘yeah, like I was saying, I saw you walking and thought you were cute, so I had to come and say hi. And now that I’ve talked to you a bit, you seem pretty cool too. We should hangout sometime, or go do xxxxx’.

And instead of just saying we should hangout, you could ask her to go do something specific. And you’d find out what she’s into during your 15-25 min ‘fluff talk’. So at least this way, you’re reminding her of what you want, you’re reinforcing the fact that you’re attracted to her, and you’re asking her out to do something specific instead of saying ‘let’s keep in touch’.

So the ‘fluff talk’ in the middle is ok, I might just try to end on a more direct note, just like the way you opened. Tell her you think she’s cute, and be specific about seeing her again and what you might do on that ‘day 2’.

Or probably even better, like Daniel Balboa said, instead of saying we should go do xxxx sometime, you should try to push for the insta-date and go do something with her right now. If she’s busy or can’t commit to something now, then I’d go for the meet up at a later time.

And another thought is that it might be better to just get her number and get that ‘day 2’ set up during the conversation, rather than leaving it right to the end as an afterthought. Then once you’ve done that, then you can either go on the insta-date or continue the ‘fluff talk’ for a bit longer depending on how things go.

But anyways, maybe you already do something like that, as I said, I could only hear your ‘number close’ for one of the approaches, so I thought I’d toss in my 2 cents and maybe it could help you a bit. Good luck.


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Friday November 2, 2012
I went to the mall and made a few approaches. I pushed for an instant date during one of the interactions, but she politely rejected and the rest of them had boyfriends. I also went out at night and was building a good connection with one girl, but her girlfriends came and took her from me. I need to be more selfish and not let girls be taken from me.

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I have come to the realization that the area where I live is not going to effectively improve my game. My record number of approaches is about fifteen and that was at a college campus. I am starting to tell myself that the investment is not worth the results after six months. I crave approach opportunities like a starved animal craving food. I am constantly self-reflecting and want to try new things for when I approach, but my opportunities are so few that it can take months for me to implement new gaming techniques in what I wish would only take a few weeks. Could major cities be the best or maybe only place to efficiently learn game? I now plan to start going to Boston and taking the train to New York City where I can likely far exceed my numbers with respect to mass approaching. Unfortunately, the cold weather may limit the number of times I make it to these cities monthly, but I conveniently live between these two major cities and should probably start utilizing them on my days off. By going to these major cities I can really test my abilities, make mistakes and return for another day to implement new techniques. I can do things such as build social momentum, which I have only been able to do at college campuses here. After six months, I think it is time to take gaming to the next level.


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Saturday November 10, 2012
I managed to test my day game abilities a bit at Union Square in New York City for a few hours today. The city provided obstacles for me in which I normally don’t encounter at Connecticut. After arriving at Union Square I noticed that there were women everywhere, which was a nice change for once. However, when trying to build social momentum, I noticed these women had no problem just ignoring me and continue walking. I would stop right in front of them and they would do whatever possible to side step and keep it moving as if they were programmed to dodge men who try to talk to them. I eventually was able to get one girl to stop and we just fluff talked and I exchanged numbers with her as she was in a hurry. I proceeded to sarge and would often get girls just ignoring me or saying “no thanks” and keep moving. The women also walk extremely fast in the city as if they were on a mission in which no one was going to interfere with them achieving that mission. In the city just getting the girl to stop is probably the most difficult part of the approach and this is usually never a problem for me when I sarge in Connecticut. I was with a wingman and more focused on getting him to approach as that was the primary purpose of my trip to New York City. I do remember one girl giving me eye contact and I was able to get her to stop. I ended up going direct since she gave off a warm vibe. We talked for only a short while and she would have definitely been up for an instant date as I suggested it and after she complied I told her that I actually had to go meet with a friend (I was not going to leave my wingman stranded for an instant date, but she was beautiful). I just hugged her, told her it was nice meeting her, and ejected. There was no point in setting up a day two as I don’t live in the city and would not be able to follow through with one anyway. So my thought is that the city is definitely a better place to learn day game than suburban and rural areas. The way I see it is that a person could do 50-60 approaches there but probably 85% of them will hardly be an approach as the girls will just ignore you or say something quickly and eject. In the suburbs I could make approximately 10 approaches on a good day at the mall but 8 or 9 of those approaches would at least involve some conversation. However, I would still prefer the large numbers of high quality women of the city and I am sure day gaming there just takes some adjustment and getting used to. There were so many gorgeous women in the city of all cultural backgrounds and I felt like a little kid in a candy shop. The mall or somewhere other than the “streets” in Manhattan could be a better place for sarging and I plan to find out in due time, but Union Square was a great place for day game. There are so many women there that a person could probably go on a few instant dates in one day. I will try to record my street approaches next time, but I think it is too loud of an environment for my recorder. Overall I feel those who live in major cities definitely have an advantage in being able to enhance their day game skills than those like myself who live in less populated areas and have small non-crowded malls or small colleges as the only places to mass approach. I plan to take the train to the city more often by myself so I can build social momentum and go for many approaches as well as go on instant dates. It would primarily be for practice and for fun since I live far away.


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I went to the University of Massachusetts Amherst to help a friend improve his day game abilities. I did a few approaches while my friend was in sets, but since this particular school is two and a half hours away I was just practicing my conversational skills. This means I did not shoot for instant dates, set up day two’s, or number close. I did give out my number to a few girls including the two approaches I post here, but they will likely be flakes. I went direct and had a bit of social momentum going for these two approaches. I also did more kino than what I normally do. I unfortunately demonstrated my usual sticking points, but I was aware of them and decided that escalating was useless since I cannot see these girls ever again due this school being so far away and in the middle of no where.

Approach #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_3ZnQr5N8

Approach #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf4loYZKjgU


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Like VV Ceph said you are basically playing way too safe. Also like VV Ceph Im not a guru or anything but Im probably one of the ballsiest dudes when it comes to daygame lol.

Your conversation skills are intense, the girl seems content. Can't say this is going to get you to her bedroom quickly though, she would probably see you as a long term deal.

Also you mentioned that game is better in cities. It is most definitely, your results as you say, will triple so easily, so quickly. There's so many opportunities there, all you need is the balls to approach and try new things!

Another side note, playing it safe doesn't only mean you have to be direct. But maybe teasing, give her some playful shit(Stephanie?!? Is that a stripper name??...Yea you kinda suck at xyz etc lol). Also I can't see how your interacting with her but nonverbal shit goes a long way. Like strong eye contact and how comfortable you appear with yourself!

Just things to mention, us day gamers gotta get better together, all the best mate

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Like VV Ceph said you are basically playing way too safe.

Your conversation skills are intense, the girl seems content. Can't say this is going to get you to her bedroom quickly though, she would probably see you as a long term deal.
I agree with the playing it safe part. It could certainly benefit me to implement some heavier escalation tactics.
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Also you mentioned that game is better in cities. It is most definitely, your results as you say, will triple so easily, so quickly. There's so many opportunities there, all you need is the balls to approach and try new things!
I think the city is the best place for mass approaching, which is why the best day game pickup artists are from or sarge in major cities. I plan to frequent New York City more often for mass approaching.
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Another side note, playing it safe doesn't only mean you have to be direct. But maybe teasing, give her some playful shit(Stephanie?!? Is that a stripper name??...Yea you kinda suck at xyz etc lol). Also I can't see how your interacting with her but nonverbal shit goes a long way. Like strong eye contact and how comfortable you appear with yourself!


I do a decent job rewarding her for responses I like, but yes I should tease her in a playful maybe even sexual manner for responses I disapprove of. I do make sure that I give strong sexual eye contact at times. I am now focusing on hand holding for kino, but it is going to take some time and many approaches to get it figured out. I really have noticed that if a girl is interested you can get away with pretty much anything during the interaction.

Thanks for the feedback Bingo


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:55 am 
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Thursday November 15, 2012
I had the day off from work today and went to NYC with a friend. I did not do too many approaches, but when we went to Union Square I decided to try and approach a little bit. I did about twelve approaches in total. Only my first approach went well believe it or not. We talked for about a half an hour and I pushed for an instant date on three different occasions before giving up. This was probably my first interaction with excessive hand holding (over two minutes at times) and really good eye contact. She was giving off great vibes, but she would not have coffee with me for whatever reason. Well obviously I did not do to many approaches in my one hour of free time for gaming, but I noticed the women at Union Square and in NYC in general literally walk faster than I jog. I would stop directly in front of them to open and they would either ignore me and bolt on by or just say no thank you. I got some Asian girl to stop, but she looked young so I dismissed her. I saw two other random guys opening chicks at Union Square. I saw one guy get blown out, but he bolted before I could go meet him and I overheard another guy in a set with some girl and he appeared to be doing pretty well. I think I may avoid Union Square due to it being extremely fast paced and competition with respect to other men who study pick up. I will likely just go into stores and stick around Grand Central, which are more low-key and less rushed areas. The number of women won’t be quite as high, but I should be able to at least get the women to stop and hear what I have to say. I will go to NYC alone for the sole purpose of day game soon and try out a number of different areas to see which one I like best.


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You asked me to comment on ur game, so I'll do that.
Listened 4 minutes of the first, 10 sec of the 2nd.
As mentioned before you play it WAY to safe, almost as if you're scared to get rejected.
Your conversational skills are sick though, got to give you that.

As it's only audio and 1 picture, I get the feelign there was no kino at all, you said it was fine though so I'll assume you are right there. Also you mentioned you went direct, you wern't.
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This means I did not shoot for instant dates, set up day two’s, or number close.
Don't do that. You want to close, take every set as far as you can. It doesn't matter if she "rejects" you, rejection is fun. Even if you don't want her number whatsoever try to numberclose.
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I did give out my number to a few girls including the two approaches I post here, but they will likely be flakes
Dont do this either. Take her number (not ask).

As for the feedback on direct approach, open up with something (you're cute, had to talk to u). I've never given FTC's, but I would guess its better to use them, so use one if you please, talk for few min (1-5), say I really got to go, give me your number so we can do x.

She gives the number and ur in. go on a date where you can do alot of kino (pooling, you can teach her how to hold the pole etc.) and use ur great convoskills there. Then you're golden.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:32 pm 
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I went to the casino for a friend’s birthday just to have fun, but at the club a girl was throwing intense indicators of interest at me. I talked to her in her ear for a bit along with a lot of kino. I then told her “you know we have a lot of good sexual chemistry right?” She agreed and we kissed. I then told her “let’s get out of here and we’ll be back in a half an hour”, but she wanted to stay and dragged me to the dance floor. Later she said was going to the bathroom, which I knew meant “I’m leaving you forever”, but I did not really care to pursue her and let her eject. The casino appears to be another place not to far away from me where I could do some mass approaching at night. On the way home the next morning I stopped at the mall with a friend quickly as one store had black Friday deals. I approached one girl and opened directly. We talked for a little bit and I was playing it safe since she did not warm up to me right away. She eventually told me a story about her recent vacation, which included her boyfriend. After a bit more fluff talk I just threw in a time constraint and ejected.


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Friday November 23, 2012
I stopped at the mall after work for food and it was really crowded due to black Friday deals. I made two direct approaches. One girl just smiled and thought it was cute, but ejected even though I told her hold on. The other approach was in a department store as she was browsing clothing. We talked for about five minutes, but she was giving off vibes as if she was uncomfortable and wanted me to leave. She also shared that she worked at that mall so I decided not to number close as I frequent this mall quite a bit. I probably missed out on a good five approaches during the rest of my quick stay there.

I went to the club and the local bar at night for a friend’s celebration. I approached a seated four set at the club and targeted the birthday girl. We talked for a while and I would flirt with her friends as well. I number closed the birthday girl without setting up a future meet since our schedules conflicted for the week. When I tried to kiss close her she gave me her cheek. I then got an approach invite from girl sitting down with her friends at the other side of the club. I introduced myself and flirted with all of them. She was definitely into me as I managed to kiss close her and number close before ejecting. She was texting me throughout the night when I went to the bar and we managed to set up a date. The final girl I met was at the bar and she approached me. She was nice, but I was not into her much. We exchanged numbers, but I did not set up a future interaction with her.


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I went to the mall with a wing from the forum and we each made about eight approaches. I had about two interactions, but they both randomly ejected and I think one of them was just from poor game on my part. There was real no enthusiasm on the girl’s part in any of my interaction. Well there was in one, but she was in high school. I went direct on all of them, but I think I will try more semi-direct material in the future. This could include asking for directions then quickly transitioning into a statement about her style. I think the way I open should be based off of the girl’s initial reaction when I say excuse me. If she responds warmly I will go direct, but if she appears closed off then I can ask her for directions then quickly transition into something semi-direct by commenting on her accent or attire. One nice thing about sarging here is that the women will actually stop and here out your opening statements verses in New York where I could not even get an initial reaction from women. I do plan to go to NYC again soon, however as I would really like to abolish my mass approach record there and truly test the efficiency of mass approaching.


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I got your PM. Im honestly are where you are minus the many minutes of fluff talk in the middle because I think it could be worse and/or I cant thing of stuff to talk about for that long even if it's super boring. All my numbers flake or they say no or they offer facebook and say no. Im just not sure what to do. Sometimes I just say nice to meet you and dont even bother. :/

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All my numbers flake or they say no or they offer facebook and say no. Im just not sure what to do. Sometimes I just say nice to meet you and dont even bother. :/
I push for instant dates if possible, but otherwise I always try to set up a day two with the girl before number closing. However, this is often difficult because I find myself having scheduling conflicts with the girl and it resorts in us having to try and figure it out later via text, which then increases the chances of it being a flake.


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