I'd be very interested to see if Cupid (Get laid or die trying!) takes DA up on this offer... Cupid: No results yourself... and you've got someone who knows his shit offering to help you - what say you?

Serious aspiring PUA or Internet-seeking bridge troll?

Well, I didn't spend the entire night trying to pick her up. The interaction probably lasted no more than five minutes, which isn't too bad considering I usually consume most of my time in-between approaches anyway.

I wasn't really trying to desperately 'win her over' as such either. I just wanted to see if she was testing me or not. If she was I think I was close to success. One of the last things I said to her was "I'm looking to feel the warmth of another human body tonight. I've actually never picked up anyone from a club before so I'm a little nervous". I think this was gold on my behalf, as it was genuine, and so she just had to throw in one more test otherwise she would have been giving it up too easily!

Why did she "want her space" anyway? Why would she be at a club in the first place if she wanted her "space"? Looking back I should have asked her this. She was sitting alone at the time. If I wasn't talking to her then chances are some other douche bag would have come up and talked to her.

I doubt she ran away from me as such. If so who cares? I just have bad luck I think. I talked to a different girl earlier on in the night and I didn't see her again after I told her I might talk to her later. It seems to be a personal lesson to not let them get away!

She's not wanting space from everyone, just from you... She's not attracted to you. She will be attracted to a different guy. And she won't give him shit.
I never have the things you're describing happen, because I read body language and social cues.
These are not "tests". These are girls telling you directly, they are not interested. Most likely after you've ignored multiple non-verbal signals telling you she's not interested.

When a girl is actually interested in you, she doesn't try to run away from you. You don't need to make sure to not let her out of your sight for two minutes(exception for MASSIVE club). Yeah, she may be into you and if you leave her for an hour, her friends may want to leave, so she goes with them. But that's not even close to what you're describing.

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Right. This is not testing. Is there ONE thread where the word "test" is used correctly out there?

I dunno...I must have low self esteem or something..if I go up to a chick and get a non interested reply, I walk away brushing it off as she was not interested. DD here had a girl tell him to fuck off 4 times and then said she PROBABLY wasnt interested. I get reframing things and assuming attraction.... but it's gone a bit too far.

PS- Cupid...I like your vids but I hope theyre just satire or for views. If they are real they could be used for feminist propaganda. Heck, they make me buy the street harassment shit more than the original video strt harassment video. If this is all real, please meet with DA in NYC. If it's not real..keep posting...I'm subscribed.

Did you point him towards learning to read body language/social queues?

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FIELD REPORT

I see lies. I see lies everywhere.

The ads on pickup books, DVDs and seminars say "Read me and you'll be surrounded by women who will beg you to have sex with them." Such. Fuckin. Bullshit. I spent 2 years doing nothing but reading everything I could get my hands on, and now I have finally started to go out ONLY to discover that my game is not bad. It's painful cringe level bad.

I wish I knew this earlier: Reading doesn't improve your skills unless it's (1) extremely relevant to your current sticking points and (2) is combined with massive, massive, massive amount of practice until you've applied what you've learned so much that it becomes second nature.

Pickup is a skill that can be learned. You have to be willing to do it over, over, over and over again until you become so good: you can't mistakes. When you hit the streets, an animal takes over you and your training kicks in. Once you hit peak state/the zone/beastmode, you just have to ride the wave and go with the flow....

I used to think: "What if daygame pickup was all a scam created by marketers to take advantage of desperate, horny virgins to invest in their "real" pickup-artist products. What if this "daygame pickup" thing was just conspiracy created by evil genius business men to exploit ignorant people like me into handing over their wallets?"

But from today I see things differently: Picking up beautiful women off the street (during the daytime) and having sex with them is brutally, painfully hard. But it's possible. And one CAN succeed provided that he has a high level of skills.

I have seen with my very own eyes wingmen like "DA" from the pickup forums number close random female strangers - left and right. It's like he has some wicked superpower. It's an unbelivable experience that puts you in a state of shock and denial. SEEING IS BELIEVING.

So I guess it is possible. I mean, I can't deny what I've seen right infront of me.

The only question is "While I have the patience to keep going out on a daily basis until I aquire these skills? Or the preference to keep going through this fuckin' hell - enduring endless stinging rejections, embarssing myself in public, going out in the harsh cold streets and wrecking my reputation around neighborhoods. For now, yes. But I don't know how long I'll be able to sustain this kind of radical lifestyle. Because pickup does take its toll.


"A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day."
- Aragorn

"If you're going through hell, keep going."
- Winston Churchill


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY0xMX_gGUU

Because literally not one of these girls is interested in him - at all.

Do you not see this? There is no point in him hanging around babbling about random crap with some girl who is not feeling him(much less asking them for sex). He's quit his school, and moved across the country to approach TWO women per day. If he must do this, he needs to learn to read body language and approach invites, so the TWO women he approaches are not totally random. I get the sense Cupid is average in looks(as in 5/10), based on how these girls respond to him. He can expect to have zero lays after he's finished his 1,000 approaches, if he keeps only approaching at random. These girls are much better looking than him, which puts him in a deep hole for random blind approaches.

And once the interaction starts, everything he does is completely uncalibrated. That comes from him not being able to read social queues. He needs to learn vibing. Something I see no evidence of, in any of his videos. Even if the girl was initially interested, he'd lose her in no time, because he's entirely jammed up in his head. He's not in an interaction with these girls. He's saying things at them. He needs to get into the second circle.

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Yeah I think V suggested social groups first before doing cold approaches like this so that he can learn to be socially calibrated. If this stuff IS real, it's too much stuff going on. Getting embarassing footage for views is fine, but will hinder any real growth socially. So maybe OP should decide which he wants ; funny footage or learning to be better with women. I feel like this kinda footage would be better if the cam wasnt attached on him, so you can see his body language and style etc

I second this highly. Personally, if a girl isn't smiling just by me approaching her, I'm off. First thing I do is get her in a GOOD mood.

With Cupid, I keep seeing his approaches where every time he comes up to girls and they have the quizzical "why the fuck is this guy approaching me" look. A couple of times he's gotten them to smile and maybe even laugh before rambling on. There are several mistakes here that I see happening, some of which I pointed out in the other thread:

1. Lack of PRESELECTION - In several of his approaches he's stopped women (who are obviously busy) walking along the road or crossing the street. There's a small chance for these to hook, but only if you know what you're doing and put real positive energy into it. Every moving set I've seen Cupid do has pretty much blown, while the fixed sets he's had SOME conversation with. He's also approached women who are obviously with another guy. Maybe in a nightclub this would be appropriate, especially if you can suss out the relationship with how they're behaving (I've successfully opened mixed sets of a guy and a girl) but on the street approaching a MIXED couple and starting to ply her with compliments without first figuring out the relationship is just going to be weird! That's my opinion anyway

2. Focus on conversation - Cupid keeps focusing on conversation instead of trying to stir positive emotions. I think he realised this once and went over the top.

3. Lack of physicality -I haven't seen much touching, escalation, or anything. I'm not saying Cupid should be trying to make out, but be ok with invading her space and throwing an arm around her shoulder or touching the back a bit WHERE APPROPRIATE

4. Not having fun - He's not having fun. Pickup should be something to amuse yourself. If I'm having fun, my vibe and emotions are automatically transferred onto the other person. It's hard to get out of your head sometimes but it's critical when doing pickup.

The main reason I give him heat, is because I feel like he has a ton of potential. He's very, very smart. Probably smarter than I am. But he has bad premises, and won't listen. He learned about this stuff from old school pick up, which teaches that you should expect women to be initially disinterested/hostile and win them over with words. Which is not how this stuff works(not if you actually want to be successful).

If a girl is initially attracted to you, she's friendly and makes things easy for you. You can pretty much chat about whatever, BS stuff. It barely matters. The only pointer I would give, is it's helpful to ask what type of stuff she's into. Because that gives you an opening to suggest doing that thing together. Cupid, however, is always trying to "think of things to say". He has long pauses, where he's clearly generating ideas. So he can say something good. Thus, he says things at the girl, instead of being hooked into the conversation with her.

I think Cupid can accomplish a lot, be he needs to deprogram the books he's read. He needs to learn to vibe with the girl and be present. No amazing word smithery. Just be present.

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If I didn't think he had potential, I wouldn't still post in his threads. Other people are good at being supportive, I'm not. I try to get through to people by being direct and blunt. I'm not persuasive or even trying to be. I'm telling him where to look and hoping he questions the way he's doing this and he'll be able to find the right direction. I'm not good at mentoring, I can just try to snap someone out of their current mindset and examine what they're doing.

I did this with Joe as well. If I didn't like them, I'd have not bothered. There have been other guys here who post stuff that I see clearly needs correcting, and I don't say a word. Because I really don't care about them. I'd like to see Cupid succeed.

And yes, I do think his raw intellectual capacity is higher than mine. I'm not especially smart, just good at osrting complex information.

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Da...I think what V sees is what I'm seeing. I've looked over his stuff and can't perceive a change either. And I'm sure you helped him but as you said he isn't open to much advice. From what I keep seeing, most times he gets a wtf look right off the bat so I'm assuming these girls even the non attractive ones are out of his league physically. I dunno...Maybe working out and dressing better may help him. His conversations are creepy. The weird topics can work sometimes at night but they're really not suited to the day, especially if physical attraction off the bat is lacking. If this is real I feel bad for the guy because he's doing it during the day, with average or below average looks and direct to boot. In most cases I think a coach is a waste of time but I think here he needs one. I really don't feel like touching more would really help because it just seems like theres a vibe there than most women would resist. These kinds of approaches are not the simple rejections that a girl walks away from and forgets about it. These are the types that they remember and go on to tell on dates or at parties. Hopefully you or someone in NY can coach him long term.

I think he gets the WTF look right off the bat because of his facial expression (or lack of) and body language and unconfident speech pattern. These women getting creeped out because he comes in bland/boring/low energy and then tries to run with it. To me, a higher energy and more positive body language and facial expression would work wonders

It's nice you helped him.

You can see this as criticizing you if you want. I don't see it that way at all, I'm starting to think you see conflict where there is none.

I have zero beef with you, and find what you post to be mostly solid. It's cool that you tried to help him out, and I wouldn't want to discourage you from doing so in the future.

I will make sure that I only praise you in the future when you do so, and will not make any further comment.

Thank you for helping him. It was cool of you to do that.

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