I'm enjoying reading this, keep it going! One thing, just quickly read over the last post, but if I read correctly the MIC star was in the cheap entry club? Bit strange considering they are all about pretending to be so exclusive and rich..ahah, I personally would have given a neg straight up to her, it would be interesting to see how she would react... pxxxl

Hey thanks for reading, glad it's entertaining as well as helping my development. Yeah I thought that too about them, to be honest as soon as I spoke to her she was a massive bitch straight away. Yeah I'd love to neg one of them to be honest, "Whoa TV really does add 10 pounds" that would kill them as they really care about how they come across on TV, but it's actually a compliment.

Ok so an update.

uni course girl

We did have plans to go out on Friday for coffee, basically I need to see her alone to see if I like her enough to follow through with everything. But stupidly I included everything (time, place) in the text apart from the day we were to meet, the funny thing is she agreed and didn't question anything! So when I text her about an hour before to see if it was still on, she was like "today!?" So it's rearrange for Tuesday afternoon.

Girl from Friday last week

So after that short conversation, and then inviting her out on New Years Eve. She text me at 4.30 this morning! I didn't reply until I got home from my day out around 5pm, but I teased her about it basically being a "I don't remember you text" and that the text was dangerously close to booty call territory. Her retort was saying she knows a few people with my name, and that she thought the booty call timezone was 11.59pm-3:30am. So then I got a chance for another tease, basically framing her as a kinky girl who knows about booty calls. After that I just built rapport, we chatted about new years eve, and I threw a scenario out there where we would be having fun together with some stupid dance routine as we were talking about the crazy stuff that happens in Soho. It was all light hearted and fun.
My SPAM has some tickets for a comedy gig, so I ended the texting basically saying, I have to go as I'm off out but we should go to the gig, there's a spare ticket. If not let's go out for a drink. It was an excuse I'm not going out, but I thought it was important to put an option of if you can't then we should do something else instead, basically not leaving her a choice of not seeing me. The response to this was positive, very in fact, which is good. So I will resume texting on Tuesday about how good the gig was, and try set the meetup for the weekend, as my week is so busy up until Friday evening.

Thoughts ramblings and learnings

Luckily I have a good friend who is a girl who is often sexually active, now I'm not trying to lay her. But she is very much up for working as what Mystery calls a pivot for me - so basically we're going out looking for one night stands. A side from that she gives good advice, it's excellent to get a females perspective and not trust all this PUA stuff.

Goals:
- Forget all the PUA rules, get rid of all that mindset, it's now that I've done that I've really started to notice a difference.
- I would love to be friends with a natural, or MPUA there's so much more I need to learn
- I'm shit at club game, and I recently reread sly walker's 10 things I wish someone taught me. He admits he was never good on the dance floor or getting SNL/one night stands from them. I'm very much the same, so my focus will be similar to his; build a connection and rapport with the girls not on the dance floor. However I will always looks for the DTF women.
- Confidence is key, every PUA tells it, but it really is true. But I have a lot of options right now and I'm still approaching despite having 2 girls interested in me. I'm finally building momentum, I'm in shape, I'm working and I'm also studying; I'm in a very productive proactive mood, I just need to keep this going and not get lazy.

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Right just to update again.

uni course girl

We were meant to meet up at 4.30pm, to go for coffee. I'd just finished work and suggested we meet next to our uni, there's a great coffee shop just down the road. Anyway at like 4:20 (I always already there) she text me saying she had just finished at the gym, and that she was going to be late about 45 mins. We had lecture at 6pm anyway, so there wasn't enough time, so I just said oh don't worry then.

On Wednesday night went out with friends after lectures because someone had 'an announcement' this turned out that someone on my course got engaged, which is mad because she's only 20 and they've been together 6 months. More to the point there's girl (we'll call her M), M and I always joke around like we're a couple. Holding hands, sitting close, arms round each other - all joking around of course, so because of this uni girl got a bit jealous and started qualifying herself later on - so it ends up we're going to the gym together later today, her idea but I just jumped on her suggestion and organised it; despite feeling like I didn't want to try and see her again after Tuesday. I'll let things happen naturally but obviously the idea is to get her back to mine, so I'll suggest we go back to mine and I'll cook a post work out meal.

Friday night girl
Apart from needing a better alias for her, I texted her on Wednesday about how good the gig was on Monday night, and a little teasing. From then on it was comfort and rapport which I focused on her statements asking more stating more, and answering her questions in short but trying to leave her with a bit of intrigue. as we stopped texting because I went out for drinks for the engagement celebration she responded 'Awh, everyone's getting engaged and/or pregnant. I feel weird for being 21 and without a desire for either.' Perfect.

So from then on I played around with that frame and there was a bit of back and forth on the subject. Nothing spectacular just enough to round it up to say "I know a place you'll love let's go Saturday" she questioned "how do know I'll love it?" since I was reading and actually thinking about what she said I related it back to some traits she has demonstrated and or things she showed an interest in, listed those (i-like-you-you-like-me-vt79450.html) and then said "meet at the tube at 8?" Then she agreed. So w're going out Saturday night

Reflection/overview:

My frame with the girl on the course is a little less 'needy' than the second girl. Mainly as I don't care if anything happens or not, however doesn't mean I won't try - I'll just make sure I'm honest about everything. Right now I don't see it going anywhere other than a bang.

Girl 2, I'm really not sure on the dynamic this is going through. We used to go to school together and she dated a buddy of mine (although we haven't been friends for 3/4 years) about 6 years ago. So I don't know if she see's it as friends meeting up or with sexual interest. I don't know, the fact she's willing to meet up with me on my own is good, and I'll just have to calibrate to the situation. I'd say the important thing is to be strong in my frame, I know I want to have sex with her, so if I don't let her mindset put me off that, I should be fine. Also if she even says LJBF, I'll just do the classic canned line "I find you too sexy to be friends" - in fact it won't be canned really, I genuinely believe it. But she mentioned she had a lot of guy friends, and that's because she's hot, she's keeping them around for validation and to make her feel good, I have to remember not to let myself get in that situation, no sucking up or being submissive to her frame.

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Friday 11/01/13

It was a weird night, the girl loves the gym so I'm guessing she was really into doing this together more than me. I like going to the gym but I definitely don't see it as a date scenario I have to say. However we did the work out together, and she wanted to work on legs and bum - basically so she could show them off to me, as she also wore tight shorts. A side from a good work out, there's nothing to report. I suggested grabbing some food at mine, for the post work out meal I had in mind but she had to be home within the hour, so she said let's grab something from the cafe quickly. I refused, basically I didn't want to rush it and it's better to leave her wanting more, so she hugged me as I left and I just left it as "cool we'll do something soon."

Saturday 12/01/13

So the meet up I had planned fell through, the girl text me at 12pm to say she was ill, which is plenty of notice for me to do something else in the meantime. However I had plans in the day, go over to my buddies and get on with our assignment for uni we did a good 6-7 hours and got a lot done.

So saturday night I got in about 8pm, had something to eat and showered before heading out with my room mate into Camden for the night. First I saw on Facebook that someone I knew was out in Camden, she rarely comes down and there has always been potential for something to happen - so it was worth a little text: "Hey, I hear you're out in Camden - me too. It would be nice to bump into you." The response was just the location they were heading and asked where we were going; I just responded with the pub we were going to first, which was opposite her pub. To round this off now, the place had a queue, and it wasn't worth the wait to be honest.

So the first place we headed, just had a drink and a chat caught up, then shortly moved on to another pub just down the road, it was a hard rock pub, but they weren't playing metal. It had a good vibe though, and I've always fancied dating a hot tattooed chick, and now I know where I might find her.

After that we moved on next door and grabbed a drink this is where the first approach happened. After finding a spot to stand, we saw a hot blonde girl on her own, and we were already talking about this other 'girl' in the pub, it was almost impossible to tell if she was a man or woman (not kidding) she was well over 6 foot and had very masculine facial features. So there was my opener, I asked her opinion on that; we shared a couple of jokes and then my flat mate came over, just before her friend came back from where ever she had gone. So at this point, I focus on the girl that's come over she was the non-attractive one of the two and to be blunt self presentation wasn't her thing, but she was easy to talk to and I liked her spirit. However once again this was a classic talk to the ugly one first so the hot one gets jealous, so I just had to transition well.

They went out for a cigarette after about 10 minutes of talking, and just after that my flat mate went to the toilet, so I was on my own. I didn't want it to feel like we were waiting for them to come back, so I grabbed the flyer on the table and asked the couple next to me about the club night it was advertising. They were very open and friendly, we talked about the bands on the flyer, and just had a good conversation. Me and my flat mate spoke to them for a good 20 minutes before the girls came back.

I let them get my attention before jumping through hoops to talk to them, when I was tapped on the shoulder I turned around and responded "I thought you had gone. We made some new friends." My flat mate stayed with the couple and I spoke to these two, I lead the conversation asked how they knew each other, it was from a really young age apparently; which was the only reason they still hung out; if you saw these two together it was genuinely like, "why are they friends?" from a first glance. In this conversation it turns out they went to a private school near where I grew up (which is well outside of London) the first weird, then she asked about where I just said the road name, and turns out blondie's best friend lives down there and I can see her place out my bedroom window, second weird and finally blondie's moving into that place with her friend in June, third weird.

They went out for another cigarette, and I realised I needed to isolate blondie, to make any progress. I noticed she kept standing in the same place every time she went somewhere and came back. Just before they left, they asked to look after their coats which were on the floor. So I went and spoke to couple again for a bit but kept my eye for when the came back, as the plan was to chuck my coat on there's as they were coming back and stay there. Sounds like a lame move and effort right? Well it worked, I was isolated with blondie and my flat mate has to take credit here for being a good wing man, he distracted the potential obstacle which made this so much easier.

So we start talking, asking about each other, but more so me asking more about her. We're getting closer and there's really good strong dominant eye contact, so this is where I begin escalating touch wise. It starts with hands just grabbing the top of them, while conversation isn't even remotely sexual, and then I just start putting my hands on her basically. There's no method to it apart from if I want her to be my girlfriend, then what's the best way to make that happen? Start touching her like a girlfriend, so I touch her hips and lower back, I don't hold my hand there, it's got enough intention in the placement of the hand it's self, plus I was just constantly keeping aware of what she was comfortable with and going with that, and at one point I even hold her hand. To be honest we were inches from each others faces at this point, and I could have gone for kiss it was the next natural step. But I got the number instead, there was no way her friend would have let her come home with me. So despite getting that intimacy and attraction up, I just got her number.

After this it's pushing 1am and they know a pub down the high street that's open until 3am. We head there, but the bouncers aren't letting anyone in after 12:30, at this point the girls are so focussed on going in, they pay no attention to us, so I just turn to my SPAM and say "we're not getting in, plus they don't care if we do" so we leave and head to another pub. I got the number so I'll just pursue that another time.

In the next pub, a song comes on I like, just as the girl walks away from the DJ booth I ask her if she requested it. Anything to start another conversation, and she looked hot from behind and the side but head on, she was fucking ugly. I let her rap the conversation, then we down our drinks and go home.

Overview/reflection:

Escalation is important, that's the way I got her interest which resulted in the number. Maybe I could have gone for the kiss, but I seriously believe girls don't value kissing - it's the only thing they can do without being called a slut. So getting the number could get it's rewards.

The way I got her number was simply this way: i-like-you-you-like-me-vt79450.html Find something you both like doing suggest you two go and do it then grab her number. It's the easiest way. Unfortunately the way I used it was, to invite her for a night out, which isn't the best way. But it doesn't matter too much, as long as I can keep her interested.

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So this weekend just gone I was really stressed out, I had an assignment due in Monday and it just really got to me mentally and I've managed to pick up a bit of illness because of it. And this show's as Saturday I went out with Tr@veller, made 2 approaches of my own and winged him on one. The approaches I made weren't really worth noting, they just were happy to chat for a bit and leave it like that, no problem. The wing situation was one I forced to stay in conversation ask more/say more just to keep the conversation going. It wasn't great, but it was good just to put yourself through that.

So Wednesday I was meant to meet up with the girl I got her number way back in December, but she's working however it pans out that will meet on Friday night. Plans need to be arranged still but, I'm planning to grab a drink from a place just down the road from me.

Also the number I got on Sat 12th Jan, is dead now. I tried a tactic, I used some callback humour to identify myself in the text without saying who I was, it was for the purpose of a response:
"Hey name, once you move in on name of the road live. We'll have to see who's place smells more of the takeaway downstairs"
"Haha sounds like a plan"
So I tried a new angle here to see if she would comply:
"C'mon how am I meant to start a conversation with that response? There's nothing more to ask you about"

And as suspected there was no response, I didn't think there would be to be honest. It worth to see how invested she was.

Thoughts and ramblings:

With this^ girl, it really is mad to see how into you a girl can be for 5 minutes before they go and find something else. She gave the impression of real interest on that Saturday night, and then just distant. Weird.

My day game is next to nothing right now, like zero of it. Last Wednesday I saw 2 hot girls and should have just said something, I was even given material to approach with the situations at hand. It was mad that I didn't, maybe it was the stress from the assignment but I really need to work on it.

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So I'm updating this because I failed 2 approaches today in the day, and the more I write about it, the more I'll notice it. I did a quick review of my journal and have all ready noticed progression, I just need to make day game openers a habit now, I'm competent in a bar/pub/club; but not in the day. Basically I've conditioned myself to night game only, this need to change.

Today there was a hot girl on the tube, absolutely brilliant ass too. My opener should have just been "Hey how's it going?" or commented on her clothing (welly boots and a Barbour coat), "do you always dress like a country girl in the city?" I was waiting for the perfect moment, the problem is there is none. I should have just said one of the above.

the second failed approach, a girl was sitting on the bench near my uni, I walked past her twice. Both times she was on the phone, I should have just gone for it as she was hot. "I can't believe you're still on the phone" her response would have been like "what?" so mine would have been "I just needed an excuse to talk to you."

That's it really. I'm working tomorrow morning and I have to dress up smart in a shirt and tie, I've noticed a lot of women's eyes on me when I look like this so this gives me confidence to go and open tomorrow for a couple of hours after working.

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Thursday 24/01/13
I didn't do the approaches I planned to do, I don't like to make excuses but I've caught a bit of illness lately, and I slept really badly only got around 5 hours and needed to go home and rest.

Friday 25/01/13

Thursday night I went to a friends had a load of drinks, it was a good social night I stayed over and didn't sleep well again probably around 6 hours this time, so I've been feeling it today.

I had the intention to open today on my way back from work super hot blonde girl, she had a shopping bag and I'd never heard of the shop so my opener to be was "Hey, I never heard of that shop where is it?" But she walked off towards the other platforms and if I followed after her my opener would have been a bit unnatural.

I was looking forward to going out tonight with the date I had planned, but the girl text me saying she had some family problems going on and she needed to go home to her parents. Blessing in disguise for me really, as I need to catch up on rest. But also a little disappointing, this is her second flake, but it seems for genuine reasons. I will try again to meet up with her, but I won't stop approaching and trying with other girls obviously.

For the weekend, I'm out for a friends birthday tomorrow night so I'll be heading back to stay with my parents for the weekend tomorrow morning. If there's cute girls I will approach them, but I'm not going out to pull one back to my parents or anything like that.

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Saturday, it was a big meal and the service was slow, we didn't get into the town centre until 11.30, and it was raining too. We jumped from place to place for a while, to find somewhere that would let us in, it was after 12 at this point. We found one place and to be honest it's pretty urban in there, so while wearing a shirt and tie, me and my buddy looked a little out of place, I guess this was pure Mystery style peacocking.

Approach wise none, I saw 2 girls that I would approach, yet I was waiting for that perfect moment, it was weird - normally I can open just fine in clubs/bars etc, but this time I just couldn't do it, it's annoying.

Thoughts & review:

I need to get into the habit of approaching, and just starting up a conversation with a stranger again. I really need to do this in the day, I feel that would help me out so much more in game. Although daygame is a lot more difficult to find a girl who's got the time to stop and talk then, or go for a quick coffee.

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Just a few thoughts:

1. Don't worry about your approaches; you're doing plenty. Had you written that about a girl who you already saw 5 times at a coffee shop, she seems to be your type, and she looks at you all the time . . .but you still can't approach her, then I'd say that you'd need to work on your approaches. This isn't a contest. The goal isn't to approach every 'approachable' girl out there. The goal is to have fun. If she was just another pretty face . . . well, there are a lot of pretty faces out there.

It's funny how so many commercial guys try to sell the "Approach anytime, anywhere, 100% all the time, score, score, score!" Trying to create a conversation out of nothing while a girl is agitated over some personal issue while waiting for a bus. . . what fun is this? You will recognize when approaching is the right thing to do. You will recognize when your approach and 'chance meeting' will add value to another person's life, as well as yours.

2. After the approach, it just seems you haven't figured out your own 'hooks' yet. You engage in random chatter, then pounce for a number. I suppose this is a method that works because it seems to be what everybody in the community does. (Chat, chat, chat. . . "I had a nice conversation, I'd like to continue it sometime. . .can I have your number.)

Personally, the image I like to have is that of a rancher, corralling everything towards my pasture. It doesn't matter if my livestock choose to go in that direction or if I have to nudge them a little, as long as everything goes in my direction. I wrote about a whole bunch of ideas in previous posts but it usually comes down to just flowing with it. If she's talkative and inquisitive, I usually go for anything that creates laughs and her asking more questions; this can't be done if you go for straight answers. If she's quiet, I try to get some trust going then poke around with a few different topics until she gets excited for one. Then either way, the conversations get corralled into relationships, sex, going out, having fun, etc . . .

3. Apply a lesson from "How to Make Friends. . . " Everybody views the World from their prospective. If this is true, then consider how your words are processed by others. I think your invitation to fuck was, "So let's go." What does this mean? It's not romantic, it's not a question . . . it's not even friendly. This is what a police officer might say to a thief he just handcuffed. I'm thinking you want to avoid the direct statement, "Let's go to my place. I want to fuck you." - but in fact, this would have been better as you both get to let go of that 'nervousness' of the first time and just put everything on the table. It's honest.

Or if you want to be indirect about it, this is OK too. "Come up to my place, I just learned to make apple martinis. . . " Easy to say yes. . . and it makes it easier for her to justify sleeping with you and easier to tell her story to her friends later on. Which story would she rather tell? 1. "He invited me for apple martinis. It was actually really good. One thing led to another." 2. "He asked me, 'So let's go.' and so I did."

Thanks for you reply Kasabi and for reading through.
Yeah I think I'd definitely been influenced by what you described above, and I get what you mean about starting an unnatural conversation. I've been keeping up with Daniel Balboa's journal and the impression I get from most of his day time approaches, he starts a conversation with someone sitting next to him or their sitting on their own. Maybe I'll have to start seeing how I can incorporate this into my habits.
Personally, the image I like to have is that of a rancher, corralling everything towards my pasture. It doesn't matter if my livestock choose to go in that direction or if I have to nudge them a little, as long as everything goes in my direction. I wrote about a whole bunch of ideas in previous posts but it usually comes down to just flowing with it. If she's talkative and inquisitive, I usually go for anything that creates laughs and her asking more questions; this can't be done if you go for straight answers. If she's quiet, I try to get some trust going then poke around with a few different topics until she gets excited for one. Then either way, the conversations get corralled into relationships, sex, going out, having fun, etc . . .[/quote]

Yes this has been a sticking point for a while, I think I'm trying to hard to be a conversationalist to be honest, I kind of talk about everything and it just lacks structure, but I like your suggestion about finding out what excites them and going for that, and if it's something in common even better.
Since you mentioned it, I've been totally ignorant here of what you've just suggested. I've always taken that part of the book as: understand others point of view of the world, but I've ignorantly never thought of the way I act or say certain things affects their perception of me. Maybe this is where I fell into the PUA jargon/corruption on this site of trying to be 'alpha' - which promotes stop caring about anyone but yourself and speak out commands instead of invitations/questions. This needs to change.

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Last week, was a none approach week. I'm short of money and just called the agency I worked for to get me something everyday (which they did), also I was studying in the evening and around that I was training at the gym.

More on that I'm finally doing a proper amount of research into my health and diet, I've been eating so well the last 2 weeks. Hopefully I'm shedding weight as well as getting stronger, but the most important thing, as my diet is so good, I feel really great now. The best I've felt in a long time.

Hopefully I can carry this feeling over on my next few approaches, there will definitely be some this weekend as I'm going out on Saturday night with some friends of mine that are coming down to stay with me in London.

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Saturday 9th Feburary

So with 2 friends coming to spend the weekend with me, I was well pumped for a good night on Saturday. You’ve met TJ before, but let me introduce Turt to you as well. A little background, we like to call ourselves the three musketeers, it’s cliche; but we always have a good fucking time when we’re together for a night out on the town.

So they arrived into London and dropped their stuff off at my flat around 5pm, from then we headed straight to the pub to quash our well sought after craving of burgers and beer. After 3 pints, we left for the local supermarket to buy our drinks for the night, and came out with 2 bottles of Pepsi max…

Back home we started tucking into a mix of Vodka, Dissarono, white rum and eventually some home made Jaeger bombs. With some good times and good laughs, we got ready for the night ahead. I had a friend from university out in Soho, and the plan was to meet him, this was the same friend from my blog about NYE, you will be able to tell from this blog entry, but I’ll tell you now this friend remains as allusive as ever, and we never met him on the night out.

We head out and it’s late already, just before 11pm, we arrange to meet this friend at a place in the north part of soho, but I receive a text that says they moved onto Heaven, a gigantic gay club near Trafalgar Square. My friend TJ is gay, and he’s been suggesting we go there for a couple of months now, as you can tell from the title Turt and myself obliged!

After receiving that text, it really rounds of what a catatonically bad journey we had to Soho (a mixture of bus and tubes), it really took three times as long as it should have. But before that, we headed back to the same place as we went on NYE, this was from my selfish perspective simply because the standard of women in there was fantastic. But it was not meant to be the queue was long and it was raining too. We jumped in one of those Rickshaw bikes, which are over priced and fucking cold and he tooks us to Heaven. I tell you what with 3 grown men in the back of that thing, and the weather how it was he certainly earned his money. But the alcohol in your blood doesn’t make the journey feel any less like you’re going to die.

Heaven

After queuing for a long time, and having my chewing gum confiscated by the bouncer oddly, TJ, Turt and myself went into one of the biggest gay clubs in London and apparently Europe. I’ll confirm again, that allusive friend of mine wasn’t here.

So we get in, I head to the bar, TJ heads to the toilet and Turt waits just behind the crowd, his first experience of a gay club starts with him being approached in the first 30 seconds of being inside. The round I buy is in plastic cups, very flimsy and I drop my own drink, I scare everyone around me by yelling in anger, the barman doesn’t offer me another drink.

We walk around a bit checking the place out and looking for my friend, we still didn’t know he wasn’t here, and we end up on the top floor of the club that over looks everything. This was my approach area for the rest of the night

1st Approach

Turt taps me on the shoulder and tells me about a hot girl in a red dress, I want to approach but get a little anxiety first, I recognise it and just go and do it anyway. She’s at the bar with one guy, so I tap her on the shoulder.

“Hey, how’s it going?My names Olly-Roger.”

We shake hands and she gives her name in return. ”Not bad. Who are you here with?”

I turn round and point to TJ and Turt, “those two. And you?”

“Just my cousin”

“Do you always go out partying with family?”

She laughs, “Not all the time, no”

“I like your dress.”

“Thanks” and she smiles “We’re going back downstairs, to dance”

“ok, see ya”

Not the best, but it’s good to get the first approach out the way.

2nd Approach

After around 20 minutes of talking, laughing and joking. A hot girl in a blue dress comes upstairs, I go over and talk to her after a minute or 2, informing TJ that he may need to wingman me and flirt with the gay guy she’s with.

“Hi, I wanted to come and meet you”

“Oh, hi.”

We swap names and shake hands. I tell her my background in Psychology and take a guess at her job. I get it wrong, and have another go, I include her friend and get him to give me clues, I befriend him straight away. Obviously my intent is on her, but I included him in conversation as much as necessary. After some fluff talk, the gay friend leaves for a few minutes.

“Are you straight or gay?”

“I told you I came over here to meet you”

“I’m trying to hook up my friend”

“My friend over there is gay, they might get along.”

“Why are you here then?”

“I was meant to meet some friends, but they’re not here.”

“No I meant, it’s rare to see a straight man in gay club.”

“I try to keep an open non-judgemental mind.”

The friend comes back, and we fluff talk a bit. After that I find out she’s married, it’s a bit gutting as I liked her, and would’ve gone out to get to know her. My friend TJ rounded this up perfectly the next day, I said she was married, and he replied “ugh, what a waste.”

3rd approach

Shorty after excusing myself from the conversation I went back over to my friends and we had another drink. Then 4 girls came upstairs, all of them pretty, but one super hot, so I went to talk to her straight away. I went over and spoke to her found out her name “Oterely” never heard of that before. Maybe a nickname, but she was definitely foreign. The conversation didn’t really lead anywhere, Turt and TJ ended up talking to others from the group.

Approach 4

So I’m just talking to Turt at this point and TJ has made some friends with 3 girls at the bar, he brings them over good old TJ. So they’re talking to him for 30 seconds, and one of the girls comes over to me:

“apparently you’re not gay”

“word get’s around quick, no I’m not”

She gets close, really close, so I repeat the gesture and get close too, and after a few seconds like this, she begins to kiss me. I just leave it a peck on the lips for a moment, then go back in passionately, (credit to Daniel Balboa http://themaleinsider.com/how-to-kiss-a ... ng-a-girl/) after that we begin to start talking but not even a sentence comes out before her friends grab her hand and takes her downstairs to dance.

That’s it for approaches, we finish our drinks and head downstairs amongst “the sea of gays” as TJ said, we dance for a bit I bump into the girl in the blue dress, I spin her around and dance with her for a few minutes, but nothing really comes of it.

We grab more drinks and just have a really good time in general, loads of drunken pictures the next day, hilarious moments like TJ stole pizza, left an embarrassing answerphone message to a guy he’s seeing, and also abusing me down the phone also by answerphone message too. I’ll give him a worthy mention of falling of his chair flat on his arse on the N29, if anyone was riding that bus at 5.30am Sunday morning, that was us. Turt managed to grab some of the most embarrassing pictures of everyone, especially a couple getting it on on a sofa at the back of the bar. So drinking + best friends + kissing girls, will make me miss these days when they come to an end, but hopefully no where near soon. It was an amazing night.

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There seems to be a lack of sexuality and intent when I approach, it's like I'm scared of being sexual from the off. In a way I don't know if this is good or bad, obviously you want to build rapport with a girl but when it comes to clubs approaches you kind of want to state your desire for them right then from the get go.

Anyway it was good to get some detailed approaches down on my journal I'll be giving a proper review this week, and see how I've come along since starting it.

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My Journal is thoughts on life game and approaches: artful-roger-journal-vt148980.html

Thanks for the shout out.

And in a loud club or bar, you need to go hard from the drop. In close, touching, serious, aggressive, and seductive from the first words out of your mouth. It's basically all or nothing. Once she's into you, you can bring her to a quieter area or just talk ear-to-mouth and start getting to know each other a bit better.

I'm supposed to be writing up a club game primer for the site soon. It'll flesh out that idea a bit more.

No problem, if other people's stuff works for me I'll gladly recommend it to others.

Also I totally get what you're saying now, and it makes sense in the club, I'm learning the dynamics of approaches and how they work in different scenarios just through first hand experience, for instance after the analysis of last Saturday is when I had that realization. Basically going in hard as you've put it, is really unnatural for me, so I'm learning that piece by piece, I've never been good at night game, and my one night stand ratios are next to nothing, so this is really learning steps from the beginning. It's forcing myself do it, which is the problem.

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My Journal is thoughts on life game and approaches: artful-roger-journal-vt148980.html

You've got to start somewhere. And just putting yourself out there is the best way to learn.

As I've said, the basic principles never change, just the execution. So, for example, where I kind of casually "float" into a girl's space and world in daygame, I burst through the front doors at the club.