OK, so Fri and Sat I headed out to open some Asian girls in the shopping mall. Both days were very hard work. Fri I couldn’t even get into a conversation with any of them. They literally all ignored me or told me to bugger off haha! Saturday was pretty much the same SPAM. This made me a little dubious about being so direct as I’d been telling them I thought they were all beautiful or suchlike. So just before I head home I see this girl in Poundland who had an interesting shoulder bag:

Me: excuse me, I think your bag is really cool, so many zips. Do you keep different things in each pocket?
She laughs and I ask her if she’s a fashion student. She is from Vietnam and we chat about culture and my trip to Hong Kong last year. I initiate plenty of physical contact touching/grabbing her on the arm several times. I find out she lives in my part of the city, so tell her I need to show her some cool places. We exchange numbers and I mosey on.

Sun 5th Aug

I can’t help myself but head to town yet again. I think about how I might have been slipping up. I decide I am going to simplify my opener. My direct opener has been complicated and a bloody mouthful to get out.

Girl 1: Gorgeous Chinese girl in Primark. I spotted her as I walked in, she is looking at hair stuff, I consider the situation and make sure not everyone is hearing what is going on (I don’t want her feeling too much social pressure).

Me: Excuse me, I wanted to come over and tell you something. I think you’re really beautiful.

She seems happy enough and we chat a bit about her hometown, and I tell her about Manchester. She has only arrived from Shang Hai yesterday! She has a friend ringing her, but she doesn’t use it as an excuse to run off. I wait while she chats for a minute, then resume. I end up telling her I’d love to show her around cool places in Manchester. She needs to meet her friends so we walk out of the store together.

I grab her number and her friends appear. I say hi to them and tell them that I saw the said girl, and had to tell her how beautiful she was. I then chat with them all for about 5 mins about Manchester, football and tell them I’d be up for showing them the sites as well. The girl in the group then asks me for my MSN add. Good to have some acceptance from the target girl’s friends. Bonus!

Girl 2: Asian girl in Aldi looking at stationary, she has the most luscious hair you could imagine. I have to tell her!

Me: Excuse me. I had to come over and tell you I think you have beautiful hair.

She thanks me and I ask her if she’s shopping for Uni stationary. She is from a city near Hong Kong, so we chat about that for a bit. Then I get in my element as we talk about food. Here I can really convey some passion, particularly as she complains about English food. I tell her she needs to try my shepherds pie sometime. Anyway, I number close and this one feels like a winner.

Girl 3: Back in Poundland to grab a drink. An Asian girl walks past me and my god her tits nearly have my eye out! She has an lovely mini-skirt on too. Sexy!

Me: Excuse me, I had to come and tell you I think you’re really beautiful, do you live in Manchester?

She is Vietnamese (they all seem to be in Poundland!) and we chat about Manchester, she tells me she finds it boring, so I tell her she’s totally wrong! I tell her I’ve not been to Vietnam, so she tells me she could give me a guided tour one day. Nice! I then flip this and tell her I’ll give her a tour of cool places in Manchester to prove her wrong! Number close.

Today was more like team GB.

Oh and as I was on the bus I saw some Chinese hotty, again with great knockers. She gets off the bus, I hesitate and then decide to get off the stop after. I then run back and find her walking down a side road. I catch up with her:

Me: Excuse me. I just saw you on the bus then and wanted to tell you I think you’re really beautiful.

I ask her what she’s up to in Chorlton and it turns out she is just visiting her folk’s as she lives in London. I carry on chatting with her about London and the Olympic park and it was all rather lovely. We part ways.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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10th August

Today I went out with the intention of being genuine and positive. I didn’t want to just go up to the girls and blurt out random compliments. I was going to chat to them and flirt.

Girl 1: 2 girls in Aldi, both nice. They were looking at cakes, I stepped into the situation - ‘Are you looking for some English cakes to try?’ They giggle and I tell them which cakes they should be buying. The target girl was preening her hair and loving all the attention. I tried to get her mate involved, but she was very shy, possibly as the target girl was trying to hog the attention. They decide they are going to crack on with their shopping, I go for her number, she has a boyfriend. Cheeky.

Girl 2: Girl walking past me on the high street grabbed my attention as she was so beautiful. I told her and she tried to walk on, so I carried along walking with her and finally got her to slow down to a stop. She said she was in a rush, but I ignored this and chatted some more. Finally she said she was going. I got her Facebook as she said she had no phone.

Girl 3: again moving target on high street, she had hot pants and lovely legs. Again this one tried to escape, but I ignored this getting her to stop. She stayed for a minute but claimed she had to meet a friend so she left, no number for me.

Girl 4: Girl in Aldi caught my eye, such a great hairstyle. I went over to tell her, she loved this and we chatted for a good 5 mins. She asked me questions which was a bonus, and I end up telling her I am going to take her out, so got her number.

Today my eye contact was a lot more solid, I tried not to look away when thinking and talking, as a result girl 4 seemed rather transfixed.

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11th Aug - Day Game with a non-forum buddy.

So my mate had heard me chatting about picking up girls' number in the day and wanted to know more. He came to join me in town.

We went for a beer to relax ourselves and chat about stuff, i then thought about how he might be eased into the lion's den.

I told him I would approach a bird then he could watch what happened from afar. I spot a nice chick and head over. The interaction was decent athough she then decided her friend was ringing her and slipped away. Anyway, I told him this can happen but you learn to press on.

The poor lad was struggling to pluck up the courage. It really did remind me of the first time I tried approaching. Anyway, I do another girl in a shop and get her number. He could see that it could work, at least.

He's up for it again, I will have to get him into this, he has the will, particularly now he has had a taste. It would be pretty cool to have a sparring partner.

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13th Aug

I was feeling pretty raw today, had a ridiculously heavy session on Sat night with the dnb blasting in my basement til the early hours, anyway.

Approached a couple of chicks and it bombed. I was probably too weak in my intent (of course they could always be in a shitty mood). Perhaps I looked like an oddball... who knows!

Girl 3: I was thinking of just fucking it off and going home and I see a cutie at the bus stop. I go over and comment on her hair. We have a nice chat, turns out she was on her hols in Manchester. I chat some more, then leave her.

Girl 4: After this I felt a little better and head into Quality Save to grab some rice. There was a lovely Japanese girl. I tell her she is distracting me from my shopping as she is so beautiful, and we chat about Manchester and drawing pictures. She doesn't try and escape, I number close, then she asks me what I do (this I am now learning is a great sign that she is interested). We chat some more, I head off.

Girl 5: Hot chick heads into Primark. I tell her she keeps catching my eye and had to come and say hello. We get into a cool conversation about food (a passion of mine). She says she has to go, I go for the number, she tells me she has a boyfriend and that's why she was trying to run off. Shame.

Girl 6: Nice girl with great body wandering through the Arndale. I ran up to catch her. I tell her I saw her and thought she was really beautiful. She loves this and we chat about Stockport and uni stuff. After a few minutes I tell her I need to go and would like to see her and get to know her better. I ask her name, take her hand and we chat whilst I continue to hold her hand. The tension builds and I let go of her hand telling her she has nice soft hands. she giggles and I take her hand again. I change the subject and continue holding her hand for another 20 seconds before getting her number. I chat a little more, then tell her to hug me. We hug and I give her a kiss on the cheek and let her go. She'd better not be flaky bloody pastry!!

Today i was trying to lean back more and allow them to speak. I wanted them to impress me and sell themselves to me more (flip the script). It's going to take practice to do this. Perhaps this will go some way to stopping my high flake rate. Although as I have addressed in another thread, my text game was fucking things up somewhat.

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Fri 17th Aug

So yeah, it's one of my 4 days off I get each week, means one thing and one thing only, I'm out in the city doing direct approaches.

Girl 1: she ignores me and walks on

Girl 2: after walking around a fair bit thinking of approaching girls with their mates, I clock a girl on her own with a mega body. I compliment her on her hair and we chat. After 5 mins of good chat I tell her to give me her number. Boyfriend. Byeee.

Girl 3: visiting Manchester for the day and about to meet a mate.

Girl 4: Wow, it's a girl I chatted up a couple of weeks ago! She didn't have a phone last time or Facebk (she was fresh off the boat from China). I say hi, she recognises me straight away and is happy. We chat for about 10 mins. She has a phone now, so I grab her number. I ask what she's up to at the wkd. Turns out uni are setting up weekly trips around the uk til sept. Coincidentally a girl I Facebk closed last week, is going on the same trip... i wonder if they know each other haha!

From what she said all these Chinese students are pretty damn busy til sept. Perhaps I can use that as an excuse now for my high flakeage rate! Anyway, I tell her to hug me and give her a kiss on the cheek, she blushes and says that doesn't normally happen. Ha! That's the way I roll baby.

Girl 5: Gave me a funny look and said noooo thanks.

Girl 6: Taiwanese girl with a Spanish accent!! This one was haaaard work. This was a constantly moving set, but she didn't tell me to piss off. She did ask me if I was going to follow her and objected to me asking her questions, so I told her stuff about me and we started chatting while walking along. She was a feisty one. Upon finally getting her to slow to a stop we chatted some more and I told her to give me her number, she ended up giving me her Facebook. No worries, one of the best hopes i have for a day 2 at the mo is a girl I spoke to for 1 min and got her Facebook. Interesting.

Girl 7: Austrian girl. She is here on business for one day/night only and staying at a hotel in Stockport!? She asks me what landmarks she has missed. I then take her on a nice mini tour of architecture in Manchester and she snaps away. I think about how I might get her out that night, but she has work to do for a conference the next day in Stockport. She tells me she can show me around Vienna and we grab each others Facebook. I tell her to hug me and kiss her on the cheek.

Time to go home phew!!

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Sat 18th Aug

Out in the city centre on my own, bloody hungover so not as composed as I could be. Anyway, I do a few approaches and get nowhere with any. Then I spot a nice girl in the Arndale. I am heading over to say hi when some dude suddenly swoops in out of nowhere and starts chatting to her. I take refuge and lean against a bannister in the mall and watch. It was like watching a Youtube video of someone doing day game!

So after a minute or so the guy bails and walks over to a couple of guys. I head over to them and ask him if he had approached the chick. Turns out these dudes were also doing day game. Apparently a couple of them used to be on Manchester Lair but don’t go online much anymore.

I hung out with them for a couple of hours, with them approaching and me doing a few. We chatted about it all amongst other stuff and they were sound lads. Anyway, gonna meet them again sometime. Apparently there’s a couple of other fellas who go out with them too.

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Mon 20th Aug

Girl 1: Korean girl. Told her I loved her style, esp her Converse shoes. I told her I’d been buying nothing but Converse recently. I then asked her what she was up to that day. She was on her way back to carry on with her dissertation. We talked about uni and then got onto Korean culture. Then I talked about Korean food with her for a bit and restaurants in Manchester I’d been to.

I then asked her what English food she’d tried and she slagged it off. So I took a critical view on her comments and told her a few home truths about Lancashire Hotpot and shepherd’s pie. This somehow led us onto her saying she hopes she can get me round to hers to cook me some Korean dishes… an excellent idea i thought. The conversation was based around a shared passion for food and I told her we must meet up and chat some more about this. We exchange numbers. Need be swift on this one, she’s off back to Seoul in Sept and she has uni work to finish which could also be a logistical problem.

Girl 2: Told her I liked her style and justified this compliment telling her it was perfect for the Summery weather. She was very happy and I asked her what she was up to. She was on her way home from work. She worked in Yo Sushi making sushi. I unfortunately did not use this as a way to build rapore, and started going off on one about Korean food. After me taking this too far and her having nothing to go on she decided it was time for her to go. Fair enough I thought, and said bye (I really couldn’t be bothered chasing).

Girl 3: Girl in Tesco. Told her I loved her tshirt and shoes. She looked at me inquisitively and I carried on telling her it looked very summery. I then asked her if she was a student and we chatted about her course. She was up here on a placement for 8 weeks from uni in London. I chatted about London and my uni days down there. I asked her if she had many friends up here and it seemed not. I told her I would take her out and show her some cool places, as I said that she’d probably only seen the surface stuff, like landmarks and museums. She took my Facebook, if she wants to add me cool, if not then cool (and it will perhaps show I’d not built up enough reasons for her to see me again).

Girl 4: Girl in Aldi with killer hotpants and stockings. I told her I loved her style and it looked really cool. She said thanks and walked on. I left it.

I tried being a little more indirect with the opener/compliment today. Perhaps this might work better on those who are a little shy and who have certain social boundaries, or those who might doubt their looks.

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Good stuff man! Keep the reports coming, I'm hooked on what happens each time I've got a couple suggestions. One caveat is that I'm Stateside and white and since the culture's different the game is too, but maybe there's some common ground.

What I like is that your approach is direct and doesn't depend at all on the circumstances. That's money man. But one thing that's consistent is that the approach puts girls on a pedestal, both (1) physically -- by telling them they're beautiful, they have nice/great style, etc. and (2) intellectually, because you're moving the convo through topics until you connect on something (i.e. they're not having to invest anything in developing the relationship, you're moving it forward for them). So u basically skip thru developing any attraction and go straight to building rapport. If you're successful at building rapport without first developing attraction, u just become the relatable nice guy, but there's no sexual interest. Then you're forced to validate YOURself (which a few of your reports seem to indicate might have happened). Since that method starts at a disadvantage, it may result in few D2 closes. So how to start at an advantage?

(1) Physical compliments: Words like "beautiful" and "great style" effectively say "I think you're really hot, no need to prove anything to me, let's bang." Girls pick up on that, there's no mystery left about your intentions, no attraction... so maybe create some mystery by toning down your opening words. Like say they're "cute" rather than beautiful, or their style is "unique" rather than nice (tho it would be hard to open with that). If you can use words that are open to interpretation, you can play on that to keep them guessing as to what you really think, and then get them in validation mode.

(2) Talking: seems like most of your game is accomplished thru talking (tho it sounds like you throw in kino when you can - nice). If a cultural barrier means holding hands will be hard, maybe try throwing in a fun kino game to settle some friendly dispute you make up on the spot -- thumb war's a favorite. Then you can continue to hold her hand afterward. Eye contact is huge too. Was recently in Spain trying to run game in broken Spanish to a chick, and her friend stepped in and said (in a hot Spanish accent!) "you don't need to know Spanish, just talk with your eyes." So true.

Anyway like I said great stuff! Insta-date to coffee or bar is definitely a good next step if they're not in a hurry. Cheers.

Interesting comments. I am learning a lot very quickly at the moment, but something I enjoy is being honest, when other guys will hide their intentions. This is what I love about the direct approach, and I don't think it necessarily puts them on a pedestal, not if you move onto what they can offer you besides looks.

I guess the links in with the next part, and I see what you are saying about getting the girl to invest and validate themselves. I suppose I am still in a frame of mind where i am seeking validation, rather than getting them to prove they are worthy of me.

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25th Aug

Met up with a pal for an hour to do some day game. Took me ages to find any chick that interested me, but eventually found some of note:

Girl 1: Beautiful Japanese bird. I told her so, she liked this. However after a minute of chat it seemed she was struggling to speak English, I left it.

I then went on a date with the Korean chick I had met in the week. Went for a coffee, I bloody needed it I was well rough from last night's date with the Japanese bird. Anyway, went well, had my arm round her, hand on her leg, held her hand to the bus stop, only managed a kiss on the cheek, bloody social boundaries, oh well. She was however talking about how kissing was a no no in Korea, so she was thinking about it! She went home to crack on with her dissertation. Can't believe she is 31, she looks about 21!

Instead of going home I thought I'd build on the momentum of the date, so head back over to the Arndale Centre.

Girl 2: Beautiful Korean chick walks out of Ann Summers. She has nice hair, I tell her. We chat, turns out she's a air hostess. I tell her I can picture her in her uniform as all hostesses are beautiful. She loves this. We chat some more, she's only in Manchester for the night. Could have maybe pushed this some more but it's too much like hard work, we part ways.

Girl 3: Super cute Chinese girl in Aldi, dressed all cool. I love it and tell her. She loves this and we chat for a good 10 mins. She goes onto tell me she loves my hair (she was actually drooling). Damn, I'm feeling pretty smooth, nice and laid back, it's good to build on the momentum of the date. I try and get the instant date rocking, but her friends are waiting for her. She has her phone already whipped out her pocket and ready to get my number. Looking good for a day 2.

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29th Aug

Went into town yesterday straight from work. Let a few girls pass me by without approaching. Not a good start.

Girl 1: got my act together and saw a cracking Japanese girl with really cool clothes in Aldi. I told her so, she loved this and we chatted. The chat was very scarce though as he english was terrible. She didn't seem too bothered. We just stood there looking at each other smiling away. I then tell her she is really beautiful, she thanks me, and we carry on looking at each other some more, the sexual tension increasing! I break the tension and tell her we should hang out, but she is only here for a week and busy. We part ways. God she was stunning. I should have at least suggested going out then and there, but allowed the language barrier to get the better of me.

I wonder if I can consider converting these ones more effectively without the need for much talking. The Chinese girl I took out on Tues night barely spoke any English, but we were out for a good couple of hours somehow had a good evening of communication through humour, body language and eye contact.

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Mon 3rd Sept

Day off, sunny as hell. I decide to go have a look around the university.

I turn up and instantly spot a cute Chinses girl in the book shop. She then heads out. I follow, but then she disappears into a building. Gutted. I carry on wandering around seeing what's going on.

After a while the girl suddenly appears in front of me, so go over. I tell her how beautiful I think she is, and she smiles. We start chatting about uni life and her course. Turns out she is doing a course in project management and is very interested in architecture (I am an architect). She then decides to show me some drawings she'd been doing and we sit ourselves down on the bench in the shade. We chat there for a good 20 mins and then I decide I'm thirsty so suggest we head to a bar.

We head to Kro bar over the road and find a smashing spot outside in the sun. We then end up chatting there for at least another hour before I decide it's time for her to go. She was putting off preparing for a presentation, so I told her she'd better get back and do it. We exchange names and numbers.

This was a nice little instant-date as we had a lot in common. I toned down my physical escalation with this one, as I may have been a little too intense with some of my dates over the Bank Hols... we shall see. I need to strike the balance between friend's zone and sexual with these reserved girls, and then seize the right moment to turn up the heat.

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Just out of interest, why are you not approaching english women. Do you find them harder to crack during daygame? Just curious. I actually live in Manchester. I have had daygame success in London, but never really tried in Manchester.

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To answer your question, my boy nova_manc is obsessed with Asians. perfect, he takes the asians i take all the Mancunian white girls haha

and to extrapolate on that, English girls only SEEM harder because of two things: they are more grounded in their social circle and the conservative British culture is not as conducive to daygame as other European cultures. What i mean by more grounded in her social circle is that she is less open to the idea of meeting someone new on the street because she has a lot of friends anyway.

this doesnt mean British girls are harder. i know many guys think so. but what it really is, is that meeting and attracting a British girl requires going beneath the surface of the things that people teach you. this in fact, means that its an opportunity to improve your skills at its fundamental level.

what i mean by this is that you will have to properly stimulate her emotions. with foreign girls, due to culture and not having as strong a social circle, her emotions can be stimulated relatively easier than British girls just by approaching, having good subcommunications and not being a total weirdo when speaking to her. scouts honour.

with British girls, learn to speak in emotive language, which is how women are programmed to be stimulated. speak in terms of emotions (duh), sensations, paint a picture, role play. most of all, don't be afraid to be ridiculous. relate what she tells you emotively to what kind of person she is e.g "so because you're a lawyer, i'm guessing you like to argue cause you like to win, it makes you feel like you have real purpose in life."

most importantly, have fun and a cheeky smile when you do all this. hope this helps!

and approach more British babes! unless you love Asians like nova_manc

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