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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:26 pm 
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Thanks for all the responses guys. Really appreciate them.

I am doing fine at the moment. I have come to a few realizations, and they are awesome.

First and foremost, I have realized that all of my "insecurities" only every come through when I allow myself to be needy. That "in love" feeling that you get? Neediness. It's not real love. It happens when you value the other person more than you value yourself, and thus you feel like you NEED that person. Now if my gf had only 1 sexual partner, THAT would already be one too many. The problem doesn't lie within envy or jealousy, it is first and foremost neediness. I am able to remove that neediness by focusing on myself. Focusing on my own goals, my own life, and seeing my gf as an addition to my life. This mindset really works, really helps. Because then YOU become the most important person, and everything else becomes IRRELEVANT.

My gf has up to this point shown incredible commitment. She made my mom a birthday cake, she took me to the bus station today as I went to Prague, and she might be picking me up tomorrow. She made me sandwiches for the way, she left an "I love you" note in my bag without me knowing. She texts me, thinks about me, cares for me, she helps me with my uni work. She is trying hard. Our give and take has been equal up to now, and I am planning to keep it that way. The investment has been equal.

I have picked her up from uni and cheered her up at times, did all the bf/gf stuff with her, and it is noticeable how much of a pimp I am when I focus on MYSELF rather than her. I become charming, funny, all round handsome and fucking sexy. But the thing is, even when I let my insecurities shine through, she is willing to work on them with me, because she sees I am in pain and she cares for me.

That's up until now. So right now things are going well. Yes if I think about the images that I have of her they're uncomfortable, but I am in a much better position now, because I KNOW I have to deal with this now, find a way around it, past it, because it will happen over and over again in the future, like Enso said.

Focusing on myself, my own life, my own goals, my own shit is the way forward. I am the only person I can truly trust, and it is a hard truth, but it is the only truth. And I have to live with it. I determine whether I am happy or not motherfuckers. And my gf truly is an awesome person. She's cool, fun, vegetarian like me so that's good, she's sociable, she's confident, she's a challenge, but all in all she's a good person who means no harm at all. She's the usual girly stuff, an emotional ride, but I am learning to deal with that, better than probably 99% of men because I know what cues to look for and what to do in those areas. Anyway, that's it for now. Thanks for the links Enso, I'll have a look at them.


BTW number closed a girl on the bus today. Had a boyfriend though, but it's cool.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:17 pm 
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So I'm slowly getting to the point where I'm thinking that this relationship is not for me. After having spent some time with her, having gotten to know her a little bit more, there are quite a lot of things I don't like about her.

Whist she is highly affectionate and highly sexual, she is also a bully, obnoxious, self-centered, uses foul language a lot, not highly ambitious with her life, cheats her way through education, drinks, and is moody. She tries to do a lot for me because, well, she loves me, but other than that, she is a lot of things I don't like in a person in general.

I am planning to enjoy this relationship now over the summer and unfortunately break up with her at the end of it, because, honestly, I don't see a future here, even though in the beginning I really wanted one. She is an intense character, a broken person, an egocentric person, and whilst we have chemistry and click we are very different people at our cores. Therefore I feel like I have to cut it loose at the end of the summer.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:35 am 
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So I'm slowly getting to the point where I'm thinking that this relationship is not for me. After having spent some time with her, having gotten to know her a little bit more, there are quite a lot of things I don't like about her.

Whist she is highly affectionate and highly sexual, she is also a bully, obnoxious, self-centered, uses foul language a lot, not highly ambitious with her life, cheats her way through education, drinks, and is moody. She tries to do a lot for me because, well, she loves me, but other than that, she is a lot of things I don't like in a person in general.

I am planning to enjoy this relationship now over the summer and unfortunately break up with her at the end of it, because, honestly, I don't see a future here, even though in the beginning I really wanted one. She is an intense character, a broken person, an egocentric person, and whilst we have chemistry and click we are very different people at our cores. Therefore I feel like I have to cut it loose at the end of the summer.
Tr@v, I don't like to hear this if you really liked this girl, but, as I've said before, I think it's for the best. Again, I don't know the whole situation because I don't know this girl, but this shit never works out. I would say, honestly, YOU break up with her. Always leave her wondering what she could have had with you. That way, you're the player. Sounds bad, but you'll thank yourself down the road.


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So right now I'm just enjoying this relationshit. Pushing the boundaries, sexually. Got a blowjob from my girl in the cinema right behind some girl, she swallowes, fingered her twice on the side of the Danube river, real close to people, gave her orgasms. Next up sex in public.


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Been hanging out with the gf today. She was in a bad mood once again, something to do with her mom. Anyway, I recently watched a video by Tyler Durden and he explains relationships quite well in it. I'll post it below. One thing that stuck with me was that some girls will drop little poisonous statements in their everyday conversations with you in a relationship, to put you down. They do it subconscously, but they want to control the relationship, control you. My girl is like that. She tries to control a lot. I notice that when I seek affection, attention or any of the sort, she feels more dominant. And it is so fucking funny, when I really don't seek it, she comes to me automatically and becomes the little girl.

Today she really kind of pissed me off, but instead of getting angry, I just withdrew my attention and focused on other things. We went looking for sunglasses, and it's amazing to see what withdrawing attention from her and removing all neediness does to her. She kept asking me why I'm in a bad mood in a little girly way, and she kept trying to kiss me and "win me back". She kept apologizing for being in a bad mood and putting me in a bad mood.

Anyway I took her to the station and told her to have a safe trip. She didn't want to leave because she felt SO bad. The reason I was a little pissed was because she wasn't completely "with" me when she was with me. Not all of her attention was with me, she was so thoughtful, and unfortunately this has happened a little too often. When I'm with her, or any girl for that matter, I try to be focused and attentive. And she isn't like that at times, and today has been a great learning lesson. Removing attention is the way to go. Lowering emotional investment is unfortunately the way to go.

Another thing that bothers me is that she still sometimes makes statements or remarks about past lovers. Not consciously, but sort of fleetingly. For example when she came to my place she said it's funny that I live here because she's been here so many times. I asked her why and she hesitated and then just said, "errhhh just randomly" as if she remembered not to talk about past lovers. The other day she initiated a "sex truth or dare" and we only played truths, with questions about former sex acts involved. Damn I didn't like it one bit, and made it clear to her the next day. She felt real bad yet again for causing me to be in a bad mood or hurt in any way. Fucking bitch is all I have to say at times.

Such a moody person, so much shit going on in her life, even her friends know her as a moody person. She says she is grateful for every moment she spends with me, but in the moment it doesn't seem like it. She takes it for granted, and yes that is my fault for being a little needy and too available. Which is why the punishment/reward dynamic is being introduced now.

It's about time I punish her with ignorance for bad behavior (bad in this sense being that she doesn't show me affection, is in a bad mood with me or around me after I have tried to cheer her up somewhat, etc etc.) and reward her for femininity and sexuality. Fuck this emotional shit. Fuck this neediness. Fuck this lovey dovey shit. It's time to regain the upper hand here.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:52 pm 
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Been hanging out with the gf today. She was in a bad mood once again, something to do with her mom. Anyway, I recently watched a video by Tyler Durden and he explains relationships quite well in it. I'll post it below. One thing that stuck with me was that some girls will drop little poisonous statements in their everyday conversations with you in a relationship, to put you down. They do it subconscously, but they want to control the relationship, control you. My girl is like that. She tries to control a lot. I notice that when I seek affection, attention or any of the sort, she feels more dominant. And it is so fucking funny, when I really don't seek it, she comes to me automatically and becomes the little girl.

Today she really kind of pissed me off, but instead of getting angry, I just withdrew my attention and focused on other things. We went looking for sunglasses, and it's amazing to see what withdrawing attention from her and removing all neediness does to her. She kept asking me why I'm in a bad mood in a little girly way, and she kept trying to kiss me and "win me back". She kept apologizing for being in a bad mood and putting me in a bad mood.

Anyway I took her to the station and told her to have a safe trip. She didn't want to leave because she felt SO bad. The reason I was a little pissed was because she wasn't completely "with" me when she was with me. Not all of her attention was with me, she was so thoughtful, and unfortunately this has happened a little too often. When I'm with her, or any girl for that matter, I try to be focused and attentive. And she isn't like that at times, and today has been a great learning lesson. Removing attention is the way to go. Lowering emotional investment is unfortunately the way to go.

Another thing that bothers me is that she still sometimes makes statements or remarks about past lovers. Not consciously, but sort of fleetingly. For example when she came to my place she said it's funny that I live here because she's been here so many times. I asked her why and she hesitated and then just said, "errhhh just randomly" as if she remembered not to talk about past lovers. The other day she initiated a "sex truth or dare" and we only played truths, with questions about former sex acts involved. Damn I didn't like it one bit, and made it clear to her the next day. She felt real bad yet again for causing me to be in a bad mood or hurt in any way. Fucking bitch is all I have to say at times.

Such a moody person, so much shit going on in her life, even her friends know her as a moody person. She says she is grateful for every moment she spends with me, but in the moment it doesn't seem like it. She takes it for granted, and yes that is my fault for being a little needy and too available. Which is why the punishment/reward dynamic is being introduced now.

It's about time I punish her with ignorance for bad behavior (bad in this sense being that she doesn't show me affection, is in a bad mood with me or around me after I have tried to cheer her up somewhat, etc etc.) and reward her for femininity and sexuality. Fuck this emotional shit. Fuck this neediness. Fuck this lovey dovey shit. It's time to regain the upper hand here.
Tr@v, good post. Unfortunately I have encountered situations like these too many times in the past. They are, in essence, exactly what made me game the way I do today. I agree that neediness and being too available will, in some way, equate to your gf as her being the dominant one in the relationship. It's unfortunate that, in many relationships, partners feel they must be in control. I know this is very common and is a reality of life, but I don't think it's ideal or even healthy really. This is the biggest reason I am so anti-relationship. When you're so carefree to the point where you are truly carefree, you can have the best time with girls. And even if they don't like the way you won't commit to them, fuck it. She won't hurt that bad once she realizes you're not the beta dude she wants you to be, and you won't hurt at all. I think that there shouldn't be a need for punishment/reward in an ideal relationship. I also think an "ideal" relationship is extremely hard to come by. I would advise staying away from relationships altogether. You life will be fucking awesome when you have several girls and don't really care about any.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:02 pm 
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Been hanging out with the gf today. She was in a bad mood once again, something to do with her mom. Anyway, I recently watched a video by Tyler Durden and he explains relationships quite well in it. I'll post it below. One thing that stuck with me was that some girls will drop little poisonous statements in their everyday conversations with you in a relationship, to put you down. They do it subconscously, but they want to control the relationship, control you. My girl is like that. She tries to control a lot. I notice that when I seek affection, attention or any of the sort, she feels more dominant. And it is so fucking funny, when I really don't seek it, she comes to me automatically and becomes the little girl.

Today she really kind of pissed me off, but instead of getting angry, I just withdrew my attention and focused on other things. We went looking for sunglasses, and it's amazing to see what withdrawing attention from her and removing all neediness does to her. She kept asking me why I'm in a bad mood in a little girly way, and she kept trying to kiss me and "win me back". She kept apologizing for being in a bad mood and putting me in a bad mood.

Anyway I took her to the station and told her to have a safe trip. She didn't want to leave because she felt SO bad. The reason I was a little pissed was because she wasn't completely "with" me when she was with me. Not all of her attention was with me, she was so thoughtful, and unfortunately this has happened a little too often. When I'm with her, or any girl for that matter, I try to be focused and attentive. And she isn't like that at times, and today has been a great learning lesson. Removing attention is the way to go. Lowering emotional investment is unfortunately the way to go.

Another thing that bothers me is that she still sometimes makes statements or remarks about past lovers. Not consciously, but sort of fleetingly. For example when she came to my place she said it's funny that I live here because she's been here so many times. I asked her why and she hesitated and then just said, "errhhh just randomly" as if she remembered not to talk about past lovers. The other day she initiated a "sex truth or dare" and we only played truths, with questions about former sex acts involved. Damn I didn't like it one bit, and made it clear to her the next day. She felt real bad yet again for causing me to be in a bad mood or hurt in any way. Fucking bitch is all I have to say at times.

Such a moody person, so much shit going on in her life, even her friends know her as a moody person. She says she is grateful for every moment she spends with me, but in the moment it doesn't seem like it. She takes it for granted, and yes that is my fault for being a little needy and too available. Which is why the punishment/reward dynamic is being introduced now.

It's about time I punish her with ignorance for bad behavior (bad in this sense being that she doesn't show me affection, is in a bad mood with me or around me after I have tried to cheer her up somewhat, etc etc.) and reward her for femininity and sexuality. Fuck this emotional shit. Fuck this neediness. Fuck this lovey dovey shit. It's time to regain the upper hand here.
Tr@v, good post. Unfortunately I have encountered situations like these too many times in the past. They are, in essence, exactly what made me game the way I do today. I agree that neediness and being too available will, in some way, equate to your gf as her being the dominant one in the relationship. It's unfortunate that, in many relationships, partners feel they must be in control. I know this is very common and is a reality of life, but I don't think it's ideal or even healthy really. This is the biggest reason I am so anti-relationship. When you're so carefree to the point where you are truly carefree, you can have the best time with girls. And even if they don't like the way you won't commit to them, fuck it. She won't hurt that bad once she realizes you're not the beta dude she wants you to be, and you won't hurt at all. I think that there shouldn't be a need for punishment/reward in an ideal relationship. I also think an "ideal" relationship is extremely hard to come by. I would advise staying away from relationships altogether. You life will be fucking awesome when you have several girls and don't really care about any.
Thanks for your post vp. The thing is I find this relationshit shit so interesting. Haven't been in one before and yes of course it feels good to say I have a gf on one hand. On the other hand I also want to use any and every opportunity to learn about women/girls and a relationship is a part of that. I want to get experience in all areas women, and yes, I know not everything is dandy in this relationship, but I'm taking it right now because I want to get the experience. I have really removed some attention and my phone is blowing up with texts from her right now. She's seeking validation big time, and I'm not really giving it to her. Only like nitro. Anyway, I agree that not caring is the way to go, but I do enjoy the moments of extreme neediness that we have at times haha, and the sex is great. I want to really expand my sexuality with this girl, and already have in many ways. Done things I have never done before, which is awesome.

Anyway, will keep you posted on how it goes.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:17 am 
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So I've decided to start posting regularly again. It'll help me keep perspective and keep track of progress.

So after yesterday's little conundrum with the gf, I removed a lot of attention. BTW, as a sidenote, the way you "remove attention" is not by stopping contact, it's by focusing on other things and still replying to the girl in a very self amused way. Girls want validation, and you just don't give it to her. What is validation? "I love you babe" "can't wait to see you" "had such a great time..." doing what she says, what she wants, these are all forms of validation. Just remove the validation, and have fun again by yourself. She can choose to have fun with you, or not.

So I removed a lot of validation, and she started to severely chase. She messaged me this morning, and told me she hardly slept. I asked her why, and she said a lot of shit was on her mind. I really made her think about the way she treats me. One thing is clear, she doesn't want to lose me, and when she senses that I'm fine without her, boy does the chasing begin. But at this point I've had enough. I've truly had e-fucking-nough. Her attitude is bitchy, and she's crossed the line. Didn't even want to get sexual with me yesterday. A lot of talk, not a lot of walk right now. You gotta think like a pimp. No sex, no validation. Bitchy attitude, no validation. Controlling, no validation.

I couldn't care less at the moment. I'm seeing her today because we go to the gym together, but really I'm putting quite some space in our contact. We used to message each other constantly, I've cut down since yesterday on my texting, going back to old pimping ways of taking longer to text her than she takes to text me, etc. She feels it. It was a little laughable yesterday how she tried to win me back in her texts, constantly reminding me that I'm her boyfriend and that I'm the most important thing in her life. Did I react to it? Nope. No validation. And it just kept going on like that. I can tell she's thoughtful just in the way she texts. In all honesty, she's a little brat that is used to getting what she wants, and now she isn't, and hasn't in a lot of things with me. I had become more lenient, which was almost my downfall, but not anymore. This space thing is nice. Let's see how today goes, at the gym. She says she hardly slept, so she'll be weak. Whatever, I'll be doing my workout. I'll be really nice to her, be fun and self amused, and give not even two shits about her feelings at the moment. She needs to treat me right or she's out pretty soon. Harsh, but fucking true.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:51 am 
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the way you "remove attention" is not by stopping contact, it's by focusing on other things and still replying to the girl in a very self amused way. Girls want validation, and you just don't give it to her.
BTW what is described in the quoted text is also a way to get a girl back into the fold if u want her back after she has ceased to be your gf: Self amuse around her, big up your bros around her, treat her as a lil sister who is only along for the ride. Gets them back in the fold fast. As you said, harsh but true.


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Just went to the gym with her and went a little shopping afterwards. Jesus fuck. She was in a really thoughtful mood again, playing it off as if she's fine, but clearly wasn't. I tried to bring it to the forefront, but she kept saying she's fine. Clearly she wasn't.

We went to the gym and in the gym I had a sick feeling in my stomach because of this whole thing. I began to have real thoughts and doubts about this entire relationshit. Not that I haven't already had them, but now I'm having them in front of her. Finally she admitted something was up whilst I was squatting heavy. I couldn't squat anymore because of a really bad feeling inside of me. I felt weak.

I was real angry at first, and she noticed, asking me if I'm angry now. Haha. I stayed calm, and told her that if she keeps hiding her feelings from me then I can't help her. She apologized yet again.

Anyway, we continue to work out. We finish up and head out. I'm more distant as I'm in my head again, thinking about this entire shit. She becomes more affectionate. We look for some sunglasses. Nothing.

Anyway we head to the train station. We want to buy a ticket for the summer. We had plans for the ticket, but I'm having doubts about the ticket which is 69 euros. I don't know if it's worth it. But after all I am going to her place in August so it will be. However she gets real mad saying I don't have to buy it if I don't want to, implying that maybe I'm rethinking visiting her (which I kind of was). Anyway I buy it, telling her to calm down, telling her I do want to visit her. She calms, but keeps on going on about how she doesn't understand why I didn't just buy it when she told me how much I'd be saving a few days earlier. She says maybe I wasn't listening or whatever. I've had enough. I tell her to go do her thing, unlock our hands and walk away from her. She says wtf. I keep walking. She walks into the bank we were going towards, but then comes back out to me. Can't really remember what was said here, but it was calm. I explain to her that I was confused about the ticket, whether I can use it only inside Austria or outside of it as well, and it didn't make sense to me. I tell her that I'm fucking sorry for being confused. She calms the fuck down as well. We hug. I say we're both real shaky at the moment. She says yes. I tell her I don't want to fight with her. I don't want to get angry at her. I tell her that we can choose to either fight our own battles alone, or together. We can decide whether or not we want to help each other. She says yes, she knows.

Anyway, things calm down, and we buy some milk for our protein shake. We sit outside and she asks me if she's doing anything wrong in the relationship. I tell her that she needs to tell me how she feels, otherwise it makes me thoughtful, and that we should keep our communication open, because she's been hiding her thoughts and feelings recently, so we know what's going on. I also told her she needs to tell me how she feels because when she's angry she lets her anger out on me. She felt bad and apologized. Yeah yeah. Cool. I hug her some more, kiss her some more, and we head to the train.

We drive back to near her place and wait for my bus. We kiss and makeout before my bus comes, and then I get in and tell her we'll talk on SPAM tonight. We made plans to go to Graz tomorrow for 2 nights, and we are talking about that tonight.

For fuck's sake. She is really beginning to piss me the fuck off.


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Been hanging out with the gf today. She was in a bad mood once again, something to do with her mom. Anyway, I recently watched a video by Tyler Durden and he explains relationships quite well in it. I'll post it below. One thing that stuck with me was that some girls will drop little poisonous statements in their everyday conversations with you in a relationship, to put you down. They do it subconscously, but they want to control the relationship, control you. My girl is like that. She tries to control a lot. I notice that when I seek affection, attention or any of the sort, she feels more dominant. And it is so fucking funny, when I really don't seek it, she comes to me automatically and becomes the little girl.

Today she really kind of pissed me off, but instead of getting angry, I just withdrew my attention and focused on other things. We went looking for sunglasses, and it's amazing to see what withdrawing attention from her and removing all neediness does to her. She kept asking me why I'm in a bad mood in a little girly way, and she kept trying to kiss me and "win me back". She kept apologizing for being in a bad mood and putting me in a bad mood.

Anyway I took her to the station and told her to have a safe trip. She didn't want to leave because she felt SO bad. The reason I was a little pissed was because she wasn't completely "with" me when she was with me. Not all of her attention was with me, she was so thoughtful, and unfortunately this has happened a little too often. When I'm with her, or any girl for that matter, I try to be focused and attentive. And she isn't like that at times, and today has been a great learning lesson. Removing attention is the way to go. Lowering emotional investment is unfortunately the way to go.

Another thing that bothers me is that she still sometimes makes statements or remarks about past lovers. Not consciously, but sort of fleetingly. For example when she came to my place she said it's funny that I live here because she's been here so many times. I asked her why and she hesitated and then just said, "errhhh just randomly" as if she remembered not to talk about past lovers. The other day she initiated a "sex truth or dare" and we only played truths, with questions about former sex acts involved. Damn I didn't like it one bit, and made it clear to her the next day. She felt real bad yet again for causing me to be in a bad mood or hurt in any way. Fucking bitch is all I have to say at times.

Such a moody person, so much shit going on in her life, even her friends know her as a moody person. She says she is grateful for every moment she spends with me, but in the moment it doesn't seem like it. She takes it for granted, and yes that is my fault for being a little needy and too available. Which is why the punishment/reward dynamic is being introduced now.

It's about time I punish her with ignorance for bad behavior (bad in this sense being that she doesn't show me affection, is in a bad mood with me or around me after I have tried to cheer her up somewhat, etc etc.) and reward her for femininity and sexuality. Fuck this emotional shit. Fuck this neediness. Fuck this lovey dovey shit. It's time to regain the upper hand here.
Tr@v, good post. Unfortunately I have encountered situations like these too many times in the past. They are, in essence, exactly what made me game the way I do today. I agree that neediness and being too available will, in some way, equate to your gf as her being the dominant one in the relationship. It's unfortunate that, in many relationships, partners feel they must be in control. I know this is very common and is a reality of life, but I don't think it's ideal or even healthy really. This is the biggest reason I am so anti-relationship. When you're so carefree to the point where you are truly carefree, you can have the best time with girls. And even if they don't like the way you won't commit to them, fuck it. She won't hurt that bad once she realizes you're not the beta dude she wants you to be, and you won't hurt at all. I think that there shouldn't be a need for punishment/reward in an ideal relationship. I also think an "ideal" relationship is extremely hard to come by. I would advise staying away from relationships altogether. You life will be fucking awesome when you have several girls and don't really care about any.
Thanks for your post vp. The thing is I find this relationshit shit so interesting. Haven't been in one before and yes of course it feels good to say I have a gf on one hand. On the other hand I also want to use any and every opportunity to learn about women/girls and a relationship is a part of that. I want to get experience in all areas women, and yes, I know not everything is dandy in this relationship, but I'm taking it right now because I want to get the experience. I have really removed some attention and my phone is blowing up with texts from her right now. She's seeking validation big time, and I'm not really giving it to her. Only like nitro. Anyway, I agree that not caring is the way to go, but I do enjoy the moments of extreme neediness that we have at times haha, and the sex is great. I want to really expand my sexuality with this girl, and already have in many ways. Done things I have never done before, which is awesome.

Anyway, will keep you posted on how it goes.
Tr@v, I fully support that then. I wasn't aware that this was your first relationship. How old are you btw? If you're around my age (24), you truly are a lucky man, to have been able to handle your first relationship when you are mature enough and when you know of game. You have no idea how much I wish I could have known about the game when I had my first relationship. Would have made everything a lot easier.

But enough of that. I think that's great that you're trying to gain experience in every realm of female. That's the best way to truly learn game in my opinion.

I just wanna add one little tip of mine, which may or may not work for you (but which will probably help a lot). (I should add that it sounds like you've been doing this when you've been talking to random girls; but remember, it works wonders for the girls you're seeing/dating too.) My tip is to say anything you fucking want. The reason why I write this, is because I've found that you make such a better partner/bf when you just have no filter and pop off whatever pops into your head. Not that you necessarily are any better of a partner in reality, but your girl will find you so much more interesting that it'll be a lot harder for her to find guys that can match that same level. And when I write say anything, I mean say anything, anything at all that pops into your head. Tell her she's fat. Tell her she's a whore. Tell her you're insecure. Tell her you're going to start fucking fat girls because of it and if she doesn't watch, you'll throw a drink in her face in front of her family members and then make a move on her mom and every other fat female in her family. (Also, always be extremely cocky. Literally talk of yourself around her as if you're a god.) If you get into this mindset and start finding more amusement in the (ridiculous) things that you say than you do in your girlfriend and her behavior, you very well may begin to forget about all the bullshit that she does to annoy you.

On a secondary note, when you really adopt this no-filter, don't-give-a-fuck mentality, it almost, in a way, makes your girls afraid of you. Not like in a weird, abusive type of way obviously. But in a way that she can pick up that you're not someone to fuck around with, that if she does something you don't like, you'll walk; that if she isn't up to par, you'll walk; that if she's boring you, you'll fucking walk. I call this characteristic "going Mad Man". When you go Mad Man, you truly just don't care. You're in your world, and she's in your world. Everybody is in your world. I think this is kind of why, if you've ever watched RSD Julien's highlights, he does so well in those clips: he really is just out for his own amusement and everybody else is merely a reactant to it--they like it or they don't, no difference because you're too concerned with yourself.

Try this out and see if it helps out. Remember that you always got dudes backing you (ideally in person) but also your fellow PUAs on the forum. I'm sure many of us have been in similar situations, and, though it may be hard to believe, our advice really may help.

Hope it helps, homie.

P.S. Try also to amp up your body language. Become extremely animated and loose (think Tupac, Chris Brown, Ash Stymest, or even borderline tweeker) and be passionate in the way you speak and act. If you want to gain control, start doing whatever the fuck you want to do. Remember that you're the Pick-Up Artist, not her. You're the star, not her. No matter what you do, no matter what happens, YOU win. Accept that you can do literally no wrong. Be unapologetic for an entire week. Be a complete fucking dick (in a cool way preferably). But, most of all, truly act and be completely animated, completely unfiltered, completely self-absorbed, completely not-give-a-fuck. This girl is just a girl, and that's that. Remember. You're the star. She's merely (one of) your canvas(es).

And when you start to falter from all the advice you're picking up online, catch yourself and force yourself to trust in it. It WON'T steer you wrong, even though, in the heat of the moment, you may find yourself believing it will and abandon it. Also, remember to smile (not in a fake way--if you don't feel like smiling, then don't) as much as you can. What I mean by this, is, if you can truly start to find amusement in the things you say and the things you do, you should be smiling naturally. Become a complete jackass (what I call a carefree, happy-go-lucky, say-whatever-and-do-whatever-he-wants-to-do type of dude). Try all of this out if you want and let me know how it works.


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 Post subject: Re: Tr@veler's Lodge
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:15 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3d2YE7HEVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol59J6Yhtxo

This is what I mean. Notice how C. Breezy and Julien control the frame.

This is what VP vs. Enso/Guru game is.


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 Post subject: Re: Tr@veler's Lodge
PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:57 am 
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Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3d2YE7HEVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol59J6Yhtxo

This is what I mean. Notice how C. Breezy and Julien control the frame.

This is what VP vs. Enso/Guru game is.
Great post man. I have been doing exactly this. My girl has told me several times she is afraid of losing me. I have adopted a lot of pickup stuff and put it into this relationshit. I do say and do whatever the fuck I want most of the time. And yes I am just naturally kind of like that, animated and all that shit, but I agree fully that saying and doing whatever you want is a huge part of making it in a relationshit. We have extremely open communication, not just in what we feel, but what we think in the moment, and she's as crazy as I am.

I have to say, as an update, things are looking up right now. We've had crazy sex over the past few days, been to Graz together, stayed at one of my relatives' place alone for free, and I am going to Bavaria with her tomorrow for her mom's birthday.

She's becoming needy, I've spent the past week or so with her all the time pretty much. I'm at home right now, and when I said that I want to go home, she became upset and thought I don't want to be with her (which is true, need some alone time, ha!) but we're seeing each other later again. I feel like I can handle this shit pretty well. When she takes me for granted, I just remove attention, say I want to go home, or some shit, and instantly she begins to appreciate me again. And let me just reiterate, the sex is fucking great. She gives blowjobs like nothing, the other night she was tired, but rubbing me as a tease, pulled down my pants, told her to finish me half asleep, she did, swallowed, and fell asleep in about a minute, job done. We're having sexual adventures together, and we also care about each other. I told her to cut out all shit talk about previous partners and she felt real bad about it again, and told me she would change her behavior (but I am aware that in the long run people don't change, or have a hard time changing). I often give her a sense that I am able to walk away, which keeps her pulled in. The way I give her that sense? It's because it's real. I am always considering walking. When she takes me for granted, I don't like it at all, and it naturally kicks in, considering whether it is THIS which I want.

About saying and doing whatever - again, I agree, and it's one of the best things in pickup. If you read my earlier pickups, you will see how I go in and say and do whatever I want, I ramble and bullshit, and that hasn't diminished. She keeps calling me crazy, weird, stupid, all with a smile, telling me she loves me. I am also blunt with her, telling her shit I don't like, or give her honest advice, opinions, etc.


Anyway, the realtionshit is helping me grow, and I feel that at the end of it I will have a better view of things, especially pickup. I am also liberating us both sexually. I have done things with her I thought I'd never do, or have someone do to me haha, and we are both just very sexual people. So this is really helping me grow and grab as much experience as possible.

Anyway, thanks for the post vp. I'll keep you updated.


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 Post subject: Re: Tr@veler's Lodge
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:32 am 
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So back to logging this shit down. I find it hard to keep track of how this relationship is going, so I will just log it daily again.

Yesterday went to the gym with the gf, let's call her HBgf for the sake of the journal now.

We went to the gym, and I was in an awesome mood, fucking squatting and benching and deadlifting that shit like it's nothing now. Haha not really but my weights are getting good for my height and weight. She works out with me, so we do the same workout, and I teach her proper form and stuff. Anyway, my good mod transferred onto her and she was laughing all the time as well. There was a point yesterday where the song Thrift Shop came on and she said she despises this song. I told her I love it and used to sing it and listen to it all the time. She said it's such a hipster song, and I told her that it isn't, it's actually just all sarcastic and it good humor, but whatever. She got pissed when I said "whatever", saying that I said it as if she's stupid...she walked away to refill the bottle. She came back and acted all nice and stuff, but I could tell something was up.

We finish working out, I'm dead and getting dizzy, and she lies me down, lifts my legs up, gives me water, etc. Takes care of me. We get changed. We leave the gym and head down the stairs. Something's up, so I ask her what is up. She said that it wasn't nice of me. I got a little defensive, saying she took that the wrong way and it wasn't meant to be an insult. Anyway she made me feel bad again, as if I had done something wrong. Maybe I did. Teaches me not to be "mean" to girls, or whatever. Negging is a no no at this point. Teasing at times is still ok, but negging hell no.

I tell her I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend her, I didn't want to make her feel bad. She said it's OK, but obviously it wasn't yet. We walked in silence to the tram, went to a grocery store to buy her some food, and then started to head home on the tram, drinking a protein shake. I stayed quiet, and turned to her again and said I didn't want to make her feel bad. She asked me why I wasn't talking to her, and well, I just got in my head at that point. Anyway, we kiss and it's all ok.

I head home and we make plans that I arrive at hers at around 10PM to stay the night.

I shower at home, and then send her a text telling her that I should've been open with her, and not just have stayed quiet like I did, and that I want to tell her everything. She replies saying anytime honey. 9.45PM rolls along. I leave.

I arrive at hers and we kiss hello. I enter her crib, enter her room, and she looks at me and we kiss. We lie down on the bed and she asks if I want to watch a film. I'm not sure if I want to. We pick Inception and start watching it. Throughout the film we makeout and she grabs my dick several times. I ignore it for the most part, but make out with her nonetheless, grabbing her tits at times turning her on. We finish the film and brush our teeth and shit and head to bed. We have a talk. I tell her about my trust issues, and that at times I still can't believe all this shit is real, like we're together and shit. She says she knows the feeling. We are both such thoughtful people and we overthink things easily. She asks if we are making problems out of nothing. I say yes, I think so. She tells me she loves me, I tell her the same. There has been quite a lot of drama in the past week or so, me going to her home in Bavaria, pregnancy "scare" well not really, but we decided that she take the morning after pill, and just a lot of things to think about. There was a point in Bavaria where I talked about my future, and intentionally left her out, because she has a way of taking me for granted. I told her about my dreams and aspirations. This really got her thinking, to the point where we had to have a talk because she felt so insecure about us, about me including her in my life and me wanting to be in hers. I reassured her that I do. (After that talk we had crazy sex twice and an oral sex session within about 15-20 minutes or so).

Back to the bed. After the talk she takes off her top because she's "hot" and I tell her that I'll have a boner all night if she stays like this. I tell her I love her tits. During the movie I whispered to her that I would lick her later. I tell her I should keep my promise. She says maybe I should. I go down on her for a good 15 minutes or so, making her cum like 5 times, almost making her squirt. It's my objective to finally make her squirt. She gets extremely wet, however until now hasn't fully squirted yet. Anyway, after fingering and licking session, she goes to the toilet, comes back, and gives me head. I cum in her mouth and she swallows. After that we go to sleep.

This morning we woke up, I was fully hard, but we had to leave pretty soon so nothing went down. We had breakfast at a place, and thinks were looking brighter than yesterady, but I could tell she was still thoughtful, as was I.

The times when she takes me for granted are the times where I think about her ex-lovers. She never took them for granted because they weren't serious. We are. So it makes me feel a little emasculated in a way. But that is my problem, something I have to deal with. Therefore I don't enjoy being taken for granted whatsoever, and it makes me crave for the pimp life again. At the same time she's an awesome girl, and all I need to tell myself is that this chick really does fucking like me sexually, and that it's real. Anyway, a lot of drama in this relationship. It sure hasn't been smooth sailing. Tonight or tomorrow will be the next entry.

Notes: Don't ever neg again. Be open, always, no matter what. Be willing to lose her. Know that she likes you sexually, always.


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 Post subject: Re: Tr@veler's Lodge
PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:36 am 
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Met up with her at the library yesterday. My laptop worked again and she wanted me to come over. I had nothing better to do so I did. She asked me to bring a protein shake. I wanted one too so I made one. Then she asked me to buy her a sandwich because she was angry. I flipped.

I sent her a text telling her a please would be cool after so many fucking requests.

Her: When do you arrive?

Me: 25 minutes?

Her: Ok. #hungry

Her: Is there any chance you could get me a sandwich on the way?

Me: Yes madame?

Me: I have a shake

Me: And also wow a please might have been cools

Her: If you knew how hungry I am

Her: Honey you don't have to. Sorry

Her: Just come here and give me a kiss cutie

I don't reply and buy a sandwich anyway. I turn up and hand her the sandwich. She notices I'm mad, wants to talk to me outside, so we do. She apologizes. I tell her whilst I enjoy doing things for her I am not her errand boy, and that she can't take me for granted. Damn she felt bad. Again. We go back inside after she finishes her fucking sandwich and sit down, do some work and shit. We sort of make up, being cute and shit writing to each other over SPAM sitting opposite each other as we can't talk out loud in the library. We get horny and I tell her I'd do her here if there was no one around and slip my fingers up her skirt. She's getting horny. Shit I'd fuck her in the bathroom.

Anyway we leave and go buy some shit for her friend and grocery shopping and shit. I'm still in a bad mood but try and be upbeat. We head to the train station, get new tickets for the next month, and then she asks how I'm going home. I have 2 routes, either I go to hers and take a bus, or I just take the metro directly from this station. I decide to go with the metro. She asks me to come to hers and take the bus from there (not an invite to her place, just so she can spend more time with me), but I decline and say I need to get home. As the train comes I tell her I need some alone time, and I feel that she needs some as well. It hits her.

We say goodbye and I head home.

At home I am tired as fuck so I fall asleep for 2 hours or so. I wake up and know there is a SPAM conversation to be had with her to talk about that shit today. I get on SPAM and we talk. I tell her I was really taken aback as I felt she took me for granted, and she says that sometimes she feels that I don't enjoy being around her. It's true, because she is bossy and tries to dominate every situation. I hate that shit. It may also just be that I am spending too much time with her. She apologized again for her behavior today and says she felt really bad about it. Blablabla, long story short we make up. I have to leave as I'm going out with some friends.


Going out I'm still a little pissed and decide I wouldn't give a fuck making out with some slut tonight. I meet my friend who has 2 girls with him, we go out and get drunk. One of the hotties and I get along well, we get real close throughout the night, she's got a bf I have a gf, whatevs. We're comfortable being close to each other, real close, almost kiss, but nothing happens during the night. A lot of sex talk, a lot of drinking games, a lot of Never Have I Ever, etc. I send my gf a text telling her I'm home. She texts me back at fucking 3.45am with "Just woke up and missing you. I love you so much cutie, i just want you to be happy. I will do my best."

That's that. I get home around 4.30am or so, a little drunk, get to bed and pass the fuck out.

Notes: Stand up for yourself. It's always good to set boundaries at some point, and not accept behavior like that. Girls in a relationship will try and control it. You have to give them the sense that they do to some degree, but really you are running the show behind the scenes. They need to feel like you will stick around, but that you still have a firm grasp of it all. If they realize you will stick around they try to control the relationship. It is how they express neediness. They want you all the time. They want you to do things for them all the time, because they think you're the man who will take care of them. You are, but you cannot do everything. And she needs to know this and respect it.


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