Okay, so yesterday I went on a date with this HB9 I met from an internet dating» site. We went to a place in Downtown L.A. where it's like a street with stores, plazas, and malls.

A bit about the girl. She is 19 years old, a conservative girl who is a bit on the shy side. She doesn't smoke or drink or party. She's a really nice girl who likes to do charity stuffs like myself. Also loves doing creative things again like myself. Yet she's very beautiful with fashion sense. Basically, she's like a perfect girl for me.

So here's how the date went. We met up, the first 30 minutes was very awkward and a lot of silence due to my nervousness. She said she was considering leaving at the point. Then I told her to just wait a bit, so I kind of calmed down and got my mind straight. After that, I opened up and everything changed. We hung around for 5 hours with LOTS and LOTS of laughter (C/F, teasing, joking around), kino (holding hands, putting arm around her, touching hands and stuff), deep DEEP rapport where we talk about our past memories and lots of things. We felt COMPLETELY comfortable with each other where we could talk about ANYTHING.

She let me drink her soda and said I'm special for that. She told me she's really glad that she didn't leave in the beginning. She giggled/laughed at basically EVERYTHING I said. So I thought the whole date was going perfect.

Now here's the confusing part. In the end, when we were leaving and I was in her car. I suggested to hang out on Valentine's Day (Uhh okay ... bad move ...) She told me she can't because she'll be working until late that night but we can hang out next Sunday. I insisted to hang out on V-Day because I felt the whole date was so perfect. Then she told me not to get my hopes up about this whole dating thing. She said it's moving too fast for her. She never held anyone's hand on dates. The last time she held someone's hand was a few months ago with her ex-boyfriend. She told me she usually becomes friends with guys first and after awhile, then decide to date. She said that we might even just become friends. Then I said something like "I like you. So you gotta choose, friend or date." She told me she's really not sure. Then I said "All right, we'll see how things go then" Then she got a bit nervous and asked me "So are we going to hang out again?" I said "I'm not sure, we'll see." Then I left her car. She stayed in her car for a few minutes seemed sad. Then finally drove off.

Anyways, my mind is really messed up right now. I don't know why she would say we might just be friends. For the holding hand part, I told her "You know what I REALLY wanna do right now?" She asked what, I said "I wanna hold your hand" and she went "seriously?" then gave me her hand. Later on, I just put my hand out and she would put her hand on mine. I thought that's like ... OBVIOUSLY she's into me.

I did do a few mistakes during the date though ... I smiled a bit TOO MUCH which showed too much IOI and lack of high status. Basically, not manly and strong enough. Either way, I think I did everything else perfectly. So ... Please give advices!! It'll be highly appreciated!! Ask me any questions if you have and I'll give all the details.

I will give my 2 cents, man IMHO you shouldn´t have proposed the valentines day cause this means commitment. And people don´t like to get commited cause commitment is change and people avoid to change. (Some other members probably will explain it better), on the other hand she offered the sunday so she still gave you an honorable way. Also you not kclosed which IMHO is very bad cause as many other guys frequently mention here the kiss is the beginning of the relation for the girl. And the goal forthe man on the first moves of the game so this is a problem. if I were you I would call her again. Assuming you know her better and know where you were mistaken you can work it out. Oh andmention you want some special time with her again, not hanging around be obviuos in a way she can understand your intentions but also subtle so she can play suprised. And good luck

On the top of my head

what you did good:

Kino
rapport
being funny

What you did wrong:

not enough venu changing ??? not sure you dont talk about it
not going for the kiss
not going to your place to a seduction location
not leading enough

its pretty normal to fuck a girl after a couple of hours of meeting her. 5 hours is a lot. You should kiss in less than 1 hour if you are alone with the chick.

What you did horribly:

never talk about social dynamic EVER
never talk about dating, the date being a date
never say I like you bla bla bla...
never talk about what is happening socially
whatever she says about it, change the subject, dont argue with her, say yeah whatever and continu escalating.

and

The first 5 min of the date is the most important. You should kino and do some attraction shit.

I would guess that you screwed up and that she will never have sex with you now. I can be wrong but you did some pretty big mistakes that convey pretty bad social intelligence. Sorry mate.