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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:56 pm 
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I love the concept of field reports. In this thread i'm collecting the longer posts i tend to make when i feel like the stuff i write can be useful to myself later on, too.

ABOUT ME:
Name: Conflict
Mid-20's,
Business-IT sales guy.
Score: 20+

Short version: I read Neil Strauss' The Game. At first i was like "holy shit this stuff is good, it just might work for my sales skills too!". Now i can't resist flirting with women, it's getting a bit out of hand because it's too effective, and i'm taken! It started 2 weeks ago. At first i just couldn't put the book down, and talk about it with the friend who recommended i read it. No harm. But last weekend, i couldnt resist using technology on girls, and my facebook/phone is exploding with hot women. But i'm taken!! How do i tone this down?

Full TL;DR Version:

INTRO: This weekend i went to a certain social event. I like that one because i always enjoyed how i could drop the pretense of being a well-adjusted member of society, and just do whatever i feel like at the time. I stand outside smoking. A friend of mine boasted about his game, so i pointed towards a girl in a frilly dress, and we battled a bit. He's a natural, but no match for technology, i learned.


[BOOB PIERCING GIRL]
PART 1
: In comes her friend wearing a bikini with pierced upper boobs "didn't i tell you not to talk to strange men!". I remember the Game; this girl is a queen bee, she might interfere. Rather than trying to please her though, I decide to get gutsy, and switch targets. "Whoa, your friend can be demanding!" Textbook Styles. Ignoring and negging her for 5 minutes, i focus on the girl i was talking with, and my friend.

Part 1.1:
Piercing girl suddenly moves under my arms, presses her chest against me and says: "i'm going to cover up more tomorrow, is that okay with you? it's going to be something giraffe printed".
Trap spotted. "Actually, I very much enjoy a little safari now and then". Both girls laugh and high-five each other, and agree to meet tomorrow. I didn't actually want that commitment though, because i'm sober and i'm taken. So i pretend me and my friend have stuff to do and head inside the hotel. I later saw her on the lap of a really good looking guy that night.

[CZECH GIRL, BIGGEST MISSTEPS]
PART 2: I am getting drunk from this point onwards, so my recollection might not be all-accurate. I was playtalking with this chzech girl i bumped into. She couldn't have been more than a 7. Some girl i vaguely knew grabbed me and opened by introducing me to her. I am too far gone to resist at this point. Without thinking, i ignore her and occassionally neg her for 5 minutes. I focus on the girl who introduced me, but completely forget what i said to her. After that, we started joking around and talked a bit about her. I take her to a sports bar. There i had the bartender pour me a long island with 2 straws.

She talked about how she wanted to be a policewoman but couldnt because of her asthma and now she was au-pairing for a family, and showed me how she looked dressed up as a tree-elf or something. I honestly don't remember which lines i used. Anyways, she stuck on me the whole night.

PART 2.1: Saying i was taken, going for other girls only escalated things. A blond girl demanded i grabbed her boobs, after a while i agreed. I even forgot to make a comment. No excuse, but i was drunk. Czech girl offers boobs too, telling me that hers "are better". Pushing her towards other guys didn't help.

PLOT TWIST [RETURN OF BOOB PIERCING GIRL]
Remember the pierced girl with the really good looking guy? I complimented the AMOG on his looks; maybe he was bi because his eyes lit up. Or he really digs compliments in general. Either way, piercing girl tries to focus both of our attention on her. Guy kisses her neck, i ignore the girl and talk the guy some more. She focuses on me and tells me to stop complimenting him so much. "Demanding isn't she?" Thanks for that one, Styles. The AMOG is on my side, piercing girl is on the defense, maybe hesitating about her plans for the night? I'm not sure, i'm a noob at this.

PART 2.2: Out of nowhere, the czech girl grabs me. I make the mistake of responding to her touch. (I put an arm on her lower back). I didn't know how to handle this situation, so i lost pierced girl. Then Czech girl just pounces on me in front of the hotel and tries to kiss me in front of 2 guys hitting on her. I put a hand on her mouth and pushed her away repeating that "i'm taken." I felt dirty at this point. Lesson is to apply kino with care, i guess.

[OBLIGATORY EX PART]
PART 3: I also met my with my ex, who was dressed in a lingerie outfit. I playtalked her for a bit, but that re-ignited some spark in her because she playpunched me and gave me that "why am i not over you" look. I was glad her friends were there to cockblock. Big risk there. Not feeling guilty.

[LONG ISLANDS, HOW TO SPOT FELLOW PUA?]
PART 4: I playtalked another bartender into giving me some more long islands for free, saying that "the other bartender could make one that was absolutely amazing". I played super smash brothers and smoked some weed with some trashy girls i vaguely know. Enter some other guy whom i could swear was using some form of technology.

His prop was using a water pistol and challenging to squirt them if they lost at the game.He may have handled that better, but the girls didn't seem to care a lot. He actually had his positioning quite well, even though i kind of got a creepy vibe. I guess that's the reaction you get if you're in the shoes of the AMOG? I was curious to see what he'd do. He didn't say much though, or asked a lot of questions. The prop was a crux, not a tool it seemed. I later learned the other PUA crashed and burned by asking for their facebook now i was out of the picture. I let myself be dragged off to smoke another cigarette by a gay friend. Not sure why.

[GOING FOR THE MOM]
PART 5: The only sort of innocent thing i did. There was some youtube-starlet with a notoriously overprotective mom at the event. My friend challenged me to get a picture with them. I focused all my attention on her mom for a few minutes, asked if it were rude if i took a picture with her. Mom agreed, took her camera. I stopped her and said "actually, i wanted to take one with you!". the disgruntled look of the starlet was funny, she posed next to me anyway. Not a high challenge level, but i had fun all the same. It felt mean to try and get the starlet to take the pic.

[GOING FOR THE TWINS]
PART 6: I've known a pair of twins for a couple of years. My natural friend wanted to do them for a long time, but they are kind of reserved. I never talked to them a lot. He got one of them though, after trying for about a year. The other had a boyfriend. After making the mistake of going for single girls, she was to be a "safe target".
I negged her, and focused on the other sister. I also constantly switched subjects as soon as one of them was talking for longer than 2 minutes, giving the single twin slightly preferential SPAM.

PART 6.1: I somehow got the taken twin to spill her fetishes while eating at a burger king. I remember how it happened now. The subject of porn passed for a moment. I asked about her tastes, and teased her about it. Then we were discussing general weird fetishes, and what her boyfriend likes.

We started off with roleplaying; she didn't like how her boyfriend "always wanted to be the dominant role, he was bossy." -> You can't get a better opportunity to demonstrate value than this
I replied that i enjoy tying the other one up. Not because i need to be in charge, but "i enjoy the thrill of giving the girl 5 consecutive orgasms with her having no choice but to face the intense pleasure, i love that!".

She gave me a strange look, and said "hey, your eyes are green, like mine!". I replied with "I know your eyes, you told me the exact same thing when we first met". "I did? Yeah... we've known eachother for quite a while haven't we?" "We have, haven't we?" I was kind of hurt she forgot, but oh well.

Part 6.2
Anyways, she started whispering in my ear about how a mutual acquantance became touchy feely on her, imitating how he touched her, on me. I couldn't think of a reply right there, my brain went a bit numb. I have sensitive ears. I used kino, and counted my IOI's. 3 touches, whispering, competing for attention when i focused on the sister, slightly enlarged pupils. Uh-oh.

They wanted me to come to this hobby-thing they have. I said i wasn't free this tuesday, but i'd let them know about another week. I'm not sure i can resist a pair of twins that hot. Of course, i can easily crash and burn as well, because i have no plan on how i'd handle a situation like that.

[SHY TAKEN ASIAN GIRL]
PART 7: Finally, I met another cute girl who also has a boyfriend. We took some pictures together, and i left after 15 minutes. Today, I just spent 2 hours talking to her online. She told me about her passions, and how she's not in the right place right now. We agreed to game together after i got my ps3. She needed to give me her SPAM, because i wanted to hear her rage when she loses. She gave me her phone number.
I said i needed to sleep; but kept talking for another hour before actually ending the conversation. Was that wrong? Anyways, i tried to close a "kiss goodnight" through chat. I got "goodnight, no kiss". I chose not to respond anymore. I can see that she's still looking through the chat though. Damn that "last seen: [time] function. She probably knows i looked too.
In hindsight this was stupid, even if i got the kiss close, it's worth practically nothing. Risked a lot there. I saw someone on the board advise to keep texting to a minimum. Good advice.


CONCLUSION: That's my story of last weekend. Judge me all you want, i tried to give a review as best i can. It helps me wrap my head around what happened and, what i should do next. I'm not going to pretend i'm better or worse at this game than i am. Take it as arrogance, but i need to learn how to tone this down. Any tips on controlling this? I can see this consuming me if i'm not careful.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:59 pm 
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Current background, and why i like cocky/funny, negging, and demonstrating value:
I've been a sales professional for a while now, and i have to open a lot everyday as i need to make a lot of cold calls. When i started out, i opened with garbage like:

"hi, my name is, are the one in charge of IT? is this a good time?
i would like to talk about our cost-saving business model, do you have a minute?"
*rejection*
*but my company can...*
*impatient rejection*
ok, well thanks anyway...


[This is your average call-center call. You will hate your job after 2 weeks if you keep doing that. I've come a long way since then on my own. But i radically changed my approach after reading The Game though, as well as some stuff by DeAngelo. i now open like this:]

"hi *company name*, my name is Conflict. I understand you are the one who keeps track of the IT-market developments within the organization" "yeah, so what?" "Alright, well in that case i'd like hear what you think of *company name*'s cost-saving-concept, got a minute?"
"what's *company name?* or more likely: i don't know *company name*"
"Well, in short we want want to help companies.. by... (pitch)"
*oh. not interested* (rejection)
"i thought you said you watch the developments in our market?"
Yeah, but... (dissuade objections and proceed)
*definately not interested*
"Ok, well then i hate to say it, but i'm afraid this is all there is for you (it sounds better in Dutch)! Have a nice day though!"



How does this help me as a PUA?
[EXPRESSING NEED]
The first style says, "i want something from you. please consider my offer".
This puts you in a weak position. On top of that, it affirms the other party has the power, and the entitlement to say No. Finally, with each question, you give the other person a moment to consider whether or not to cut the conversation short.
And why would she even want to talk to you? All you've affirmed the other's worth, to you. Demonstrate value (David D). I see a clear connection in how this relates to complimenting a woman, and then asking for her number, but i'm interested in what you guys think.

[DEMONSTRATING VALUE]
The second one puts you in a far stronger position from the get-go. You're not asking for their permission to speak, and to consider your offer. You're qualifying *the other* as capable, first. It also affirms that they should listen to you, as well as having something in common.
Best part: you assume the other party knows your company/game, *after* verbally establishing their interest in the field. Because of this, they will be much more likely to get curious about what your company does, or what 5-questions is.
Finally, by agreeing to give you the minute, they commit their time. Which you can use to transition to doing business, or in the PUA case; that sweet, sweet, mid-game.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:06 pm 
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Example:
An approach could look something like: "You're not someone who's afraid of a little challenge now and then, are you?" Say it as a half-statement, half-question.

Comebacks:
There are many responses to this. Making the comeback is way more essential than the question. I'm personally a fan of strawman tactics; "so you're saying... *neg*". But here's how i deal with the most difficult/common ones, i prefer having something canned for these responses:

Most difficult:

"the cold look/shoulder":
MAN MODE: Smile and calmly tell her: "oh please, if i wasn't gay you'd SO be mine" "don't flatter yourself, i'm taken" (both Styles'). If she takes the bait and responds, listen to what she has to say, follow up with a neg, something like: "i like how your brow wriggles when you look at me though!" If she laughs, you're in, and you can move towards mid-game.

PUSSY MODE: You can reply with "nevermind" "I guess i was wrong". And back away with the "wow, you're crazy" look. Get position, body language and approach right though, and that won't happen as often. I'm not ashamed to admit i used this excuse often because of nerves and fear of rejection.

Common:

"ahh no thanks, i have a bf":
"Whoa, i never said i'm available", -> this line is golden on its own, give her time to respond to that.
Just to give you an example how good this line is:

Common/somewhat difficult:

"im fine with a challenge, but not with you though!" BURNED! Unless of course, you immediately interject with: "slow down, i never said i'm available" -> this can often turn the situation around as well.

Common:

She laughs: IOI, give neg.
Also Expect responses like: "maybe." "what's it to you?" -> these are good responses, you can take them as IOI and transition to early-midgame.

UNCOMMON:
"fuck off!":
She'll look like an overreacting bitch, and you can calmly say: I guess i was wrong. Back away with your "bitch is crazy" look. Always. Unless youre into mentally unstable girls. The girl in question was kind of scary though.

EARLY MID-GAME:

"Alright, well in that case, let's play 5 questions. Loser buys a drink"
Ehm, what's 5 questions? Explain.
If she pulls back: "i thought you said you liked a challenge now and then."


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