Alright, so this is a long post, but it was a long night so bear with me:

So i'm up in Vancouver B.C. visiting family, and my friend comes to visit from Seattle. We decide to hit the clubs, and I am wanting to do a little sarging. My plan is to practice opening as many sets as possible.

We get downtown at ~7:00, and the clubs are dead. So we decide to chill in a starbucks cuz it's cold as balls outside. Go in, sit down across from some guy and his girlfriend. Me and my friend make idle chat, obviously we are both bored. Boyfriend goes to the bathroom, so i decide to open the g/f while he's on the can. She was about a HB6.5

Murf: Hey, so i have been trying out this new magic trick i came up with, and my friend dosen't buy it. Would you like to see so I can get your opinion on it?
HB:Ya sure.
Murf: Ok, so what i'm going to do is stop the second hand on my watch.
>B/F comes in<
Oh hey, i was just about to show her this trick >I focus 75% of my attention on him from now on<
Long story short, my magic trick sucks, all i do is wave my hand, and as I do i pull out the dial on the watch with my finger and press it up against my hand so you don't notice the dial is pulled out. So far, depending on the presentation i've actually gotten 1 out of 5 people with the trick. When it's obvious what i've been doing, it usually results in laughter from the girl and then conversation is easy. If anyone knows a better way to do this stop-the-watch trick please email me at camarowannabe@gmail.com. Anyways, we ended up talking for ~20 minutes, and the g/f started showing me mad IOI's, so it was pretty cool except i couldn't get her # cuz of the b/f (who was also digging me).

Leave the starbucks, go into the 1st club of the night. My friend is totally being the worst wingman ever, because he dosen't believe in "The Game" and thinks i'm totally full of shit. We go into this place, sit down, and there are maybe 10 people in 4 groups in the whole place, only one of which has girls in it. I break the 3 second rule by about 10 minutes, but i go over and ask "Hey girls, who lies more, girls or guys bla bla bla" you know the opener. Turns out they are also from Seattle, bla bla bla we talk for ~15 minutes. My wingman is crashing and burning, and I am having a hard time holding these girls attention. There is a HB5, and two HB6.5's, although my target is the blonde one. I neg her once early on to good effect, and then again later on but she gets pissed. My wingman kept talking directly to me, and this caused the girls to talk to each other. So on my second neg, it went like this:
blonde HB: bla bla bla we come up here cuz the drinking age is 19 and i'm only 20
Murf:Well, in seattle you can usually get into places if you just dress skanky enough.
HB: Hah. Ya well they're stricter now and it dosen't work.
Murf: Ha ha well maybe you just aren't *hot* enough?
HB: !!!!! Huh? Omg, i can't believe you just said that, suzie did you hear what he said
Murf: ha ha, aww i'm just giving you a hard time

We chatted for about another minute, and then the girls found an excuse to leave. Apparently i negged too directly. A few minutes after the girls left, we left too.

We leave, and end up walking up and down Granville street for about 45 minutes, at which time i use my watch trick opener on a group of 3 HB7's, though they don't stick around to chat. I'm assuming this is because it's incredibly cold out and they were dressed like hoes, but maybe I could have done something. We end up going into another club.

We wait in line for this club for about 30 minutes, and this russian dude opens up me and my wing. Turns out he's from the Vancouver Lair, and he ends up hanging out with the two of us and giving up tips all night. Consequently he dosen't get any, but the help was much appreciated. In the loud as fuck club I approached about 8-10 sets, usually of 1 or 2 girls. Every time it went about the same for me. Below is a sample of how it usually went:

Murf: Hey, so what are you guys celebrating tonite?
HB1: Oh not much, well i guess Boxing day! Horay!
Murf: Oh ya? Hey, so i'm from the States, so what is boxing day? Do you guys all get together and box or some shit?
HB1: Oh ha ha no we do a lot of shopping.
Murf: Oh ya? Cool. Ya I went to the mall today and it was packed! In fact, it was so crowded, I kept a count of how many people walked right into me, 10 people!!
HB1: Oh, crazy.
Murf: So uh, ya so bla bla bla
HB1: bla...

Usually this was about as far as the conversations ever got. I tried telling them jokes, I tried doing my watch magic trick. However, on average the conversations lasted no more than 2-3 minutes. In every case the set started out strong, and I ended up losing their attention. In a couple of cases, I kept the girls attention, but because I did not engage the friend she cockblocked me and pulled her friend away. This has been a recurring problem for me: failure to engage the entire group. I did it in the starbucks, but only because I was talking to the b/f, and as long as I did that the girl wasn't going to intrude. Talking to 2 girls, if one gets even a little bored she just fucking ganks me and pulls the other away. Either rudely or politely, it always happens.

In summary, i'd say I have developed pretty good approach skills already (i'm a pretty outgoing guy usually). However, holding girls attention in a fucking loud ass club is hard, and holding the attention of an entire group of girls (2-3 whatever) is not working out. Also, a lot of my routines are intended to be funny, but in a kind of lame way. It seems that if i do it in a quiet SPAM (in class, in a coffee shop.ect) it comes off as funny, and either neutral or as a DHV. In a loud club, any jokes, lame humor come off as a DLV. End story.

Comments? Thoughts?

Got some comments, great that you get out there practicing! Practice makes perfect. Sounds like you need to calibrate your negs a bit. If you want to that hard from the start you should nonetheless sneak it in. Instead of "You are not hot enough" say something like "They are prioritating those cheap-looking bimbos instead of normal people". That is a bit arrogant but it gets the message through a girl would take it as not being hot enough but she cant get upset since you were trying to be nice.
I do not like to use that kind of negs a neg is not an insult.

As for the rest of the conversation, it takes me back to before I got my game going for real (not long ago). I was also a natural outgoing guy but that gets you into the LJBF zone and mainly works with sets you have some previous connection to. You need some canned openers and DHV stories. I started off by using the cologne and who lies more openers. I also like the G-string routine, fake it till you make it but come up with your own material ASAP. Improves you game bigtime!

Jokes are good but I think that the mistake you (and I did before) have is that you try to hard. Instead of telling a joke and laughing with them, tell a story and let them laugh. If you have seen videos of Mystery, he is very calm while delivering his material, that shows higher value. When I stopped laughing at my own jokes, my game started to work! If you want to laugh, try some cocky-funny (mini-neg and laugh at her reaction).

Good Luck

Ezo

Yea, you're right man. I know what you mean too; i'm pretty outgoing, but it takes a different kind of "outgoing" to open up sets. Neging appropriately is going to be a bit of a challenge for me; just because it's not something I am used to doing. The next time I go out sarging that will be my goal: to practice neging (not too hard/but noticable). I have tons of real life funny stories (i've moved like 8 times in the last 10 years, when you get around like that it's inevitable), it's just a matter of working them in. I am going to try to develop some of my own routines (ie. not stuff from "The Game"). Right now i'm leaning towards magic tricks, just because i've always kind of been into that sort of thing. I just got Neil Strauss's new book "The Rules of the Game", and "The Mystery Method", so i'm hoping those will give me a better perspective on all this.

Any suggestions on where to go to learn some simple magic tricks? Websites/books.ect? I like stuff that you can do without any special magic "props". i.e. special trick deck of cards or that sort of shit

I think there are some magic tricks explained on youtube... I refuse to use any kind of card trick since it is a bit weird to carry around a deck of cards.
Also, Mystery pulls the magic tricks off because he is a Illusionist and can make it feel natural. People always talk about their work so why shouldn´t he.
I started out using magic but I have gone more into mind reading, that goes in line with my interest in psychology (Hey Im a pick up artist, of course I am interested in how the mind works!). Sometimes stage magic seems too needy, to much show off.

Hope it works for you!

Ezo

u should try using some ESP stuff, and the whole watch magic trick, in my opinion u should get rid of that, but thats just me
other then that u r ahead of the game already cause u r out there aproaching the chicks, keep it up

I totally agree about the carrying around a deck of cards thing. Recently I've found myself at several parties though where they already had a deck of cards out, so it was pretty natural. The watch trick (that i do) sucks--but i'm pretty sure there is a way to do it w/o the obvious thimble pull.