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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:49 am 
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Alright, here's the main sarge of the night.
It's a small little dance club, I'm talking max capacity of maybe 70 people. I arrive with a pivot and wingman. Their whole motivation for the night was help me pull a girl back to my wingman's pad, and then wing and pivot would go fuck in the bedroom, while I close on the couch. First bit of the night I didn't open anything, but chatted with the regulars I know. I notice my wing on the dance floor with about 6 girls around him cheering and dancing and just mobbing him. He tries to switch me in so he can go to the bar, and of course the energy immediately dies; they don't want some guy who came like a hyena for leftovers when his friend hit gold. I leave within 5 minutes.
30 minutes later...
Wing, Pivot and I are dancing in a group with SharingGirl, HB7, UB4, AMOG, and HB7. They aren't actively shutting me out and ignoring me, but they definitely aren't doing anything to acknowledge me. At one point I put HB7 into a couple swing spins. I can't remember if I just grabbed her or if she took my outstretched hand... In any case, it was slightly awkward, as it was house music and it's hard to mix it up and still have the girl know when she's about to be spun, but we had fun. Later on we were going through our 90s dance moves... lawnmower, shopping, the sprinkler, etc. We had fun, I negged, told her how she was a dork, and that she just could keep up with me, "I can't even talk to you anymore, etc." I think it's all a matter of calibration now with A1. My wing drunkenly tried to talk me up, and it gave HB8 and I a chance to share a laugh. I took her out to the smoke pit to talk, general fluff, but we had a lot in common. I led her back inside before getting bored. I should've ran some comfort routines, but hindsight's 20/20. We danced, we flirted, I negged, it was good fun. At one point she did a silly dance to get some laughs.
Carlos: You're such a dork, haha!
HB7: But you like it... (devious smile)
Carlos: ...I'm trying to decide on that.
HB7: Oh, well that cool. (turns away)
I played it cool and kept dancing, I suppose Deangelo would say that's when I should've given her validation. Live and learn. We danced some more, I led her outside, away from the smoke pit so we could be alone. We fluffed for a bit, then...
Carlos: So, we're playing a game now. This is like truth or dare, without the dare. So we ask really deep, involved questions to each other.
HB7: Okay.
Carlos: So, you have all the money that you need. What do you do?
HB7: Do fashion design in Italy
Carlos: Alright, let's figure out a way to make this happen. You're out of school, why aren't you there now?
We followed that thread for a while... never really played the game. Then...
Carlos: So,where are you headed after this? Is your friend continuing her birthday party? Are you going for pizza?
HB7: No, I think they're heading home. I think I will too, because I have a 45 minute drive home.
Carlos: Oh! I didn't know you were going all the way back to (community X) tonight.
HB7: Yeah, it's not THAT far.
Carlos: Are you working tomorrow? What are your plans for tomorrow?
HB7: Um...(giggle) nothing really
Carlos: (thoughts: oh shit, I saw that look, she's afraid I'm trying to f-close and buying temp is nowhere near there)Well, here's the deal. My buddies and I are heading for pizza, you guys should come.
HB7: I'm not sure, I'll have to see what they're doing
Carlos: Okay, we'll go inside and find out, but before we do that, I want to see you again. For when I come to (community X). Can I get your number?
HB7: Yeah, sure! If you have paper or something that is.
Carlos: the thing about not living in the sticks is... we have-
HB7: -cell phones!
Carlos: (out comes the cell. I get her name for the first time, I finish entering her full name) Alright, let's go see your friends.
In we go to dance for the last 15 minutes of the evening. By this time we'd been exchanging LOADS of kino. I pay a lot of attention to her friends (for once). The lights go on, and I pull her over to an open space.
Carlos: So they're going home I guess... You're coming for pizza with us.
HB7: I don't know, I think I might need to give some of them a ride home, and then I'm not sure where the pizza place is.
Now, after having experience in direct sales, I know a smokescreen when I hear one. A smokescreen is a false excuse given because people hate saying no. What do you do in sales when confronted with a smokescreen? Offer a solution. Handle all the smokescreens, and often they'll buy. I guess it probably doesn't work that way with love though. But rather than taking my defeat, I DLV'd by calling her on the smokescreen.
Carlos: Okay, here's how it breaks down: I've got your number, so I could call you and give directions. Now if you don't want to come, that's cool, you can say so.
HB7: I don't really wanna come. I just had pizza for dinner, and I've got more in my car.
Carlos: (fuck, another smokescreen... she's creeped out now, I'm sounding try hard, and she doesn't like that I insinuated she's dishonest) Cool.I'll call you next time I'm in your neck of the woods.
HB7: Yeah! Bye!

Analysis
alright, I've got A good enough to phase shift from time to time... I NEED to fully understand comfort phase now... I glazed over that first time through MM, and now I'm paying the price. I should've went for a k close when I number closed... After the final conversation, she was dangerously close to deciding I was a creep. A kiss close seemed very risky at that point, so i played it safe. What do y'all think? I know, I know, dance floor is trap, but I had no real option tonight given where the females were. In my town we have EXTREMELY limited nightlife opportunities. How was my execution? I definitely need to practice and add to my canned material. I totally forgot the material when I got to the number close, and just went ABSOLUTE AFC.
Think she'll flake?

Thanks for listening!
EDIT: Just facebooked her... her picture is self taken with her in bed with a guy... SHE'S MARRIED!
What just happened guys? There was a LOT of kino, and when she said I liked her... How do I proceed?

Also, one other gem my pivot told me about tonight.
If you can see her bra strap, it's an IOI. Girls will not let guys see their bra strap if they aren't interested. They fix it immediately. If they leave it showing, it's an IOI. At least, that's how my pivot operates. I'm curious if this is universal or not. Thoughts on this?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:13 pm 
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sounds like you attracted her (maybe?) but lost it after that. it seemed like you tried too hard and she didnt have a level of comfort with you so she just made excuses. when you confronted her it seemed like you were desperate or needy. probably go over some of your dhv. when you were in that group and were ignored, that is dlv. if you cant get peoples attention and tell stories and awkwardly move around with them, i would say to work on that before comfort building. i mean, if you were the center of attention she would then be wanting to with you into later areas of comfort building. sounds like you had fun and got some of the attraction down. maybe work on your first impression and your dhv material (stories and placement of social proof among other things).


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