So last night was my friend's 21st as well as one of his co-workers. We rented a party bus and went clubbing in Rhode Island. From the very first moment of meeting the people we were going out with I fucked up. I tried getting to know some of them but none of them really seemed all that interested. I tried to run some dhv routines but usually go blown off. I ended up being a fly on the wall to the group. So we get on the bus and head off to providence. I know I shouldn't have started drinking. It was a big mistake but it was my friend's 21st. So by the time we get to the club I was pretty buzzed... which was The Complex in Providence. (I don't recommend it btw... very loud and sketchy group of people.) First floor there was like no people. So we head up stairs. Second floor there was more people... and my friend who was supposed to wing me takes off and disappears for the rest of the night. So now I'm left with a group of people who basically act like I don't exist. So I take off and look for some sets to open. First set is a 4 set hb5, 2 hb7s and an hb8. I walk by and use this Kashmir sweater opener I got from style. I had to scream it because the music was so loud and the set never really hooked so I left the set. Would of told them it was a pleasure meeting them but I didn't really meet them. Next set was a 3 set 2 hb8s and a dude. I use the same opener as before and it hooks one of the girls but one of them listened for a min and just walked away while I was talking and the guy was looking at me like he wanted to kick my ass lol. The girl it did get the attention of the guy started to pull her away so I ejected. Pleasure meeting you. Next set was outside when I was having a cigarette. Hb8 and hb9... I open with the different colognes I had on my arm to get an opinion. The 9 gave me her opinion and the 8 just started going off about her favorite cologne and didn't answer. We went back in. I chatted with them for a bit DHV'd a bit. Things started to look good especially when the 9 kinoed a bit. But the 8 dragged her off to the dancefloor. Forth set of the night was a 2 set. HB8.5 and her brother. Went extremely well. I don't even remember the opener I used I was just glad that things we going good. The brother was a cool guy and we were getting along... told him I was gonna set him up with some of the girls from my group lol. The girl was diggin me. I started to lead them upstairs to a different part of the club that was more like a bar and easier to talk in. As we made our way up the stairs a fight with about 5 guys and 3 bouncers breaks out and I'm caught in the middle. Me and the set get seperated and I tell them I'll meet them upstairs. Once the fight was over the bouncers wouldn't let me back upstairs. I had to go to the other side of the club and sneak up another set of stairs. But alas I had lost the set I was talking to. Couldn't find them. Fifth set... if you could call it that... was a one set. hb9... short hair and gorgeous. At this point I'm drunk and just don't care anymore and start talking to her about how she should wear high heels or something cause she was short and people kept running into her. She smiled and we talked for a while. I wasn't really trying to run game at this point I just started to bring her out to the dance floor. I figured fuck it... I might as well have some fun. So at this point my friend and so called wing finally shows up. Grabs me... starts pulling me away and is like we have to bounce. ASGKHnajkdas jkabneDSFGJASD. That's all I can say to describe my frustration. So we leave. I'm frustrated and bored the rest of the night... the was a general negative vibe on the bus on the way back. Anyways... That's my story... I never really got anywhere with any sets... I'm still trying to figure out where I went wrong and am looking for input on that. It would be much appreciated.

I'm not even close to being an expert at this, in my opion,from what I read you have to work on your openers! Check your body language and voice projection! Maybe do your routines/openers in a mirror and see how you look from a 3rd person!
Now this is coming from a Newbie so it might help it might not!

Well here's the thing. I do really well with day game. I sarge my college, the mall and my work all the time and do great. I'm trying to figure out if it was my energy level at the club or my lack of social proof cause my friends took off or maybe just the crowd that was there. When I'm at school I open sets with ease. I've # closed, and k-closed a few girls from my school and I'm working on a few from my job. Maybe I'm just not used to the environment. A sunny afternoon in a college quad is very very different from a dark dance club where to music is so loud you have trouble hearing youself even when you scream.

hmmm i don't get why you're good at day game but didnt do well in the bus? do your friends intimidate you? and/or are they AMOGs who think lowly of you? sometimes i find myself acting slightly insecure around my friends because it's what i'm use to. i sarge alone, and then when i'm casually hanging out with my friends i get AA and feel like there's more pressure, so i generally don't even attempt. that may be the case with you?

inner game is huge and when you feel down and beat yourself up, you generally do tend to lose focus, and your game gets screwed up... it happens to the best of us... it may just be a bad night. try to learn from it, figure most of it out on your own because only you would know what works and doesn't work based on your analysis.

social proof is a big deal especially in the club, but you can work around that if you run you game well. if you're opening sets at all and staying in there for even 5 minutes your re-establishing your social proof. hopefully you are smiling, your body language is well and you're DHVing with interesting topics/stories or good conversation.

in a club it is loud, which is why sometimes you should isolate right away. tell them it's hard to hear and you guys should go outside. so you might need to make sure your opener, body language and time constraint is good enough to isolate them (they can't feel threatened or like you may be some creepy guy). hmmm, you may have forgot to time constraint? i feel like time constraints are underrated, i didn't use them in the very beginning and when i did... i felt like women were sooooooo much more friendly to talk to. it made things 10x easier...

drinking impairs your judgment and makes a huge difference. what you THINK is going on or how you're portrayed may be completely different from what is really going on. you don't remember every exact phrase or comment that you make, and you're moving a little more awkward than a normal confident pua or person would.



just think of things as a good experience. at least you didnt have huge AA (is a huge sticking point for some people =/)... and you learn from every set that you open, which is great. make your self esteem high that you at least tried to do well. make yourself feel better, keep your inner game high and try to be excited about sarging rather than the fear of impressing people.

be alpha! don't care so much about what they think, they're not better than you! just be yourself and go out there and kick ass.

well there's my 2 cents... good luck..

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

Now that I look back on it... I think it was a combination of things each leading to the other. First off I was pretty drunk. When I drink I tend to get self-conscious. On the bus I was kind of intimidated by hanging out with so many new people. My friend kind of abandoned me early on and I was left by myself in a somewhat awkward position. What is good though is I learned loud dance clubs are definitely not for me. I'll have to find some good lounge/dance clubs in my area. This place was basically just dance floors and bars. Now real places to isolate except for outside. Also after the weekend coming back to work and school did me good because it reminded me of all the women that I've gamed there and want me hard. lol

I would actually keep going to venues like that. I believe in being thrown into the fire because if you get the hard places down then the easier bars and lounges would be cupcake right? Also on the cologne set..you could've have neg the talkative one to shut up,,,(your talking way too much..how do you deal with her? (remember to smile)..

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Exactly. Im a big believer in that kind of mindset.

You mentioned your wing abandoned you at the start of the night...if he does that...then he isnt your wing at all. He may be a friend but hes not doing you any favours. Post an application for a new wing in your area.

In the future please break your paragraph up

into multiple lines

like that
thanks.

About your story. A few of those sets you really needed a wing to help. Aka the two girls and the one pulls her friend (who you apperntly were gaming nicely) away. If you had a wing he could have helped a ton. Drinking bad but hey. Bouncers bad but hey.

Over all it seemed you were marginal on everything from what i can tell you didnt have one soild sticking point. So im blaming this one on, Drunk and loud music maybe?

Some really great advice has been given so far.

Also,

Think logically. You CAN make this work. If you're consciously failing to open sets, stop for a second. Think about what you're doing. Your openers seem fine, so I think we can rule out content. But how about your body language and voice tonality? I've found that if you're crashing over and over with decent openers, the problem tends to exist in either of these two areas.

And hey... Failing is part of the game! If you got nothing but success at first, imagine how boring this would be. I find knowing how much area there is for improvement to be extremely exciting. Maybe one of the most exciting parts of the game.

Good luck! Keep working on it, you will get it.

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Yeah at least your out training. Many people just stay home reading about techniques all day.

So keep it up and you will get it.