I finally did it, me and my friend, after so many times planning on going sarging together" finally made it happen.

I am new to the forum and to the game, but i overcame my social shyness and pretty much surprised myself..

We both needed to go to a club and try out openers and follow ups, so we got some of our material and went for it, we approached the bar right away playing our alpha game to the max. We respected the rule about drinking and had a glass of water. As soon as we positioned our selfs at the bar we engaged each other in heavy conversation so we didnt look like we were just two uninteresting guys looking for sets, but sub-consciously we were looking.

First set.. a girl dressed in a bear costume, yes we were also a big questionmark, came up to the bar with her very HB friend 8.5, she wasnt half bad either, 7, so we stand there and respect the 3 sec rule, we open the set, me beeing the wing, with a simple question: "what are you supposed to be?"so perfect my friend then takes over and i lean on the bar, every time they seemed to look away he turned to me and i gave him pointer to what material to use. This set went great and the bear came up to us again later when we were outside having a smoke enough of that sine it wasnt my set but the energy after that was great.. the best feeling ever.

Second set.. this was actually quite funny, again we were at the bar getting a drink(non-alcohol) when two girls stop by behind me. My friend notices them and say: "Behind you, 2x HB9 go for it" that is where it got nasty.. i totally froze and disobeyed the 3 sec rule but he was constantly pepping me up to lean over and open. After maybe 30 sec i just thought: "Fuck it whats the worst thing that can happen" so i lean over and say:

Me: Hey can i get your opinion on one thing? (classic)
HB9: sure
Me:So me and my friend were arguing over my little sister
(thats where it went bad)
HB9: you were fighting over your little sister???
(then they laughed totally at my cost, felt awful)
me: now hold on im not done yet, she wants to get a tattoo, but she is only 14.. you think thats ok?
(saved it, although after that they kept asking, she in the 8th grade?)
HB9: well it depends, where does she want it?
me: (had to make up something) on the back
HB9: yea i think its ok, i got a tattoo when i was 16

at that time the set was open, if i only had a good follow up to my opinion-opener i would have proceeded but i just asked (pointing at the other HB9 at her side)

Me: what about you? do you have a tattoo?

trying to ignore my target

ending with a no!

after that they got their drinks and were looking over the bar so i turned to my friend again but quickly turning around with another opinion opener, which went way better.

by the way that was a first timer in the field and i over came my social shyness.. to 2x HB9's

any pointers and help would be well accepted... thanks!

Me: Hey can i get your opinion on one thing? (classic)

Umm ok, if you are gonna do an opinion opener you don't do it like that.

There is no "excuse me/can i/may i/ please"

You ask the question straight up like "Hey guys Me and my friend here need a female opinion .....blah blah blah"

Don't forget the false time constraints. Don't milk the opener like "do you have a tatoo". Openers open and thats it, once you get good you can get away with going on completely diffrent tangents of conversation.


But yea try more creative openers and remember opening isn't a big deal its the delivery of the material and hooking the set that matters.

Atta boy getting out and working on your Social Shyness is the first step

On VHB's or VVHB's (9+ and some 8.5's) You must neg almost imidiatly or you'll get stripped of your manhood and sent back to AFC town quicker then you can say "bitch shield". For 9's and up I like to come out guns a blazin... I'd do something like

ME: Hi! I'm Dave! Whats your name?
Handshake
HB: I'm HB
ME: Great! Well HB, now that we're on a first name basis how a fuck?
*pauses as long as possible before the slap*
Me:I'm just kiddin'. Honestly your not my type, you just looked like you could use someone to run off all those losers swarming you.
HB:...Thanks?
ME: *laugh* you know the least you can do is buy me a drink for saving you.

Works like a charm... be warned though... If you don't have the Alpha frame to the level of "This bar? Fuck this bar I own this fucking town", you'll get seen through... it takes alot of balls but it works.

I always enjoy your posts doctor. Straight down the line.

I am going to offer a different approach to VHB's though because I am not a believer in the "How about a fcuk" line. I like to come off as being classier than that.

I would open with a neg straight off.

Scent: Hey ugly, got the time? *smile*
HB: Erm.. 2.30
Scent: Thanks hun. By the way do this - *Grin* - You have something in your teeth.
{Jump, jump, jump through the hoops!!}
HB: *Grin*
Scent: Oh maybe not. Nice nashers by the way. Buggs Bunny must be jealous. *Kino and laugh*

That kind of negging approach appeals to me a bit more. Then maybe give her one more neg before validating her slightly.


Meh, people always ask "what next?" so I'll answer preemptively.

Next, I might tell her to introduce me to her friends.

Scent: Who are these guys you're with?
HB: Ahh just some friends of mine.
Scent: You found this many guys who like their girls with big teeth?! Nice
Scent: Hey guys, I am guessing none of you would say no to a free drink right?
Gorrilla1: Hell no.
Scent: Cool, lets play a game. I'll ask you 5 questions and you have to get them all wrong. Easy right? If you win I'll buy all of you a drink, if you lose, you guys have to get me one. cool?

and on......