So, I tried a few different approaches at a club this weekend. Anyways the notable one I used was the "What do you think about my bestfriend having pictures of him and his ex girlfriend" sort of opener. She was like an HB7... I was also tipsy, I know a flaw on my part.

Well, I saw a girl stand by herself, her friend left to get drinks I believe. Anyways,

ME: Hey, whats up? *I touched her on the arm, hoping to build comfort*
HER: Not much!
ME: Yeah, you look kind of bored
HER: No, I'm just waiting for a friend, *semi-shivering* I'm kind of cold *we were in the smoker area outside*
ME: Ohhhh ok. Not out here to smoke eh?
HER: Noo
ME: Ok, that's cool. Hey, can I ask you a question?
HER: Yeah, sure
ME: Ok, I was just talking to my friend, and his current girlfriend is upset that he still has pictures of his ex-girlfriend. What do you think?
HER: blahblah, asks how long they've been together
ME: About two months, but he was dating his ex girlfriend two years prior.
HER: blahblahblah says that it makes sense I recall
ME: Ok, so what should he do though?
HER: blahblahblah, etc.
ME: Ok, that's cool.
*She was playing with her hair however at this time, I took it as an IOI*
Heres were I fucked up... (I think I also fucked up, by not really coming off overly comical)

HER: Yeah. (Adds to a previous point or something I recall)
ME: *I'm lost as to what I should say* So where did your friend go exactly?
HER: She went to get drinks
ME: Yeah? Cool. So anyways I gotta get going back to my friends, thanks for your wisdom
HER: Yeah, no problem (or something a long these lines)
ME: Hey, before I go though, what's your number?
HER: Sorry, I live in Ottawa
ME: Oh yeah? Come on any girl who comes and parties here usually comes back
HER: Probably not, sorry this is my first time here
ME: Alright, well thanks anyways. It was nice meeting you.



Ok. So, I don't think I got enough IOIs. I don't believe I really established myself, instead I sort of drifted into it as "some guy." I think it was kind of AFC of me to keep pushing at the end of the conversation for a number.

ON the other side, I wasn't really using opinion openers until recently, I was happy that it worked so well. She simply made the conversation go on by herself. I don't completely remember the WHOLE entire conversation, this is what I mostly recollect, but anyways, she talked quite a bit. Seemed pretty happy to have had me talking to her. I was overly confident in the approach, body language wise, I was feeling alpha.

Of course, I'm still a rAFC. Please give me more tips guys! Thanks, I look forward to hearing back from everyone!

39 views and not one comment? Come on guys!

im new to the game, but from what i have learnt it is u want to use chick crack, last night i did an esp test on a girl and then her friend and got both right (7 and 6), they couldnt believe it, then abit of cube and then she gave me her number, try a few routines

Yea,it succs when ppl don't reply(lol)-I feel your pain!

Few pointers on your fuck up

Why the hell are you asking her,"can I ask you a question"?No,dont do that!That's beta(weak),just throw the thread-don't ask!

The picture thread[a deriviation of 1 used by Matador the PuA]was pretty cool but it depends on how your demanor was(anxious,scared,vibrant).

And you bored the shit out of her with the routine by prolonging the shit!Learn to snip and stack forth. Never go back to a previous thread.If it gets interrputed,move on to another stort. It says that you are trying too hard to get her attention by sticking to same thread or routine.

Damn,why the hell did you go for a # close like that!!!!? That was pretty cheesy and predictable.

Plus you gave up to easily on the # close attempt.Maybe the girl was testing you to see if you'd give up or play along in the dance. Women aren't practical creatures-they require drama,play,theatre even with # closes.

You showed her that you're too uptight to play or too blind to see the psycology at play.

She wanted to see if you were part of the men who are in the "KNOW" opposed to men who don't get it(AFC's).

More female psycology.You need to read this pick up article online by Tyler Durden,"The secret society". It basically says how there's a metaphorical secret society made up of mostly women and only about 5% members are men.Those 5% of men are in the know-the PUA's & some naturals,etc.

Girls screen men via tests(not really shit tests)to see if they're qualified and if they know & understand that women need drama.You flunked the test by just saying"what's your #".You should've made it a routine.

This' an old #closing routine by Mystery but with a twist by me.
Example[after a decent chat]

PUA:Hey,are you creative?

HB:Yes(or whatever she says)

PUA:Well,lets see. [Take out a pen & paper].#'s are usually 7 digits.Draw 5 spaces[Give her the pen & paper to draw 5 spaces]

PUA:Wow,you're creative so far(lol).Now,fill in the blanks with your #.

As with every routine,there's no guarantee of success but an approach to #closing like above tests the target and puts her in some ritual by having her play part.She'd most likely give the #[I've field tested it in the past with like a 7-8 success rate.

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I like that K! Shame in the UK you'd be there forever with her trying to be creative lol as numbers are 11 digits long, i'm going to try this next time i'm out though.

To the original poster, i take it you wern't really body rocking? Try to avoid touching before you build verbal comfort. Once your locked in, then throw some kino into the situation, maybe use the "fight outside opener" this 9/10 times will get a lock in because women are naturally nose creatures and like to know everything.

I like that one Chel(lol)-women are nosey-that's true.

Get this also;it doesn't matter how good a routine is or how much success one has with it.The next man might try it and crash & burn because of wrong body language,etc.

And to be honest,I doubt that the original poster built sufficient attraction enough to # close.I doubt that the target was digging you at that point. So even if you'd tried Mystery's write your # down routine or any other solid #close routine,you would've still gotten rejected since you hadn't attracted the target.

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I agree, seems like he wasn't in control of the situation, and when you arn't you either need to flip the cards quickly, or your getting nowhere.

Thanks guys! Firstly, I've been taking baby steps so far. I've spent considerable time monitoring my voice, and my body langauge so I come off as confident as possible. So when I approached her, I felt and I'm pretty sure I seemed confident. Keep in mind, my approach anxiety, I still have it. I'm only like a month and a half - two months into all of this, so I'm still approaching and willing to crash and burn if that's what it takes.

I like the idea of turning the number close into a routine. I'll keep that in mind next time I go out. That's a good idea K-Loc.

So, how I'm picking this up, I should go in, Introduce myself, grab a name, THEN just go directly to the topic, don't prompt her, just simply say, "Hey, how are you?" "Blahblahblah" "That's cool, So my friend... etc. etc." Of couse that's condensed. Then when that opener withers down, I should I just start with another one? Thanks in advance K-Loc, I really appreciate you taking the time out and responding.

Also, Chelios, I'll definitely keep that in mind about the touching before I build more verbal comfort. I had seen a PUA who had a indirect method I believe, and I recall him doing that when he met the girl. So I was trying to see how it would work out. But It sounds like it makes sense.

They can do it because they are already comfortable in 9/10 situations. Your a beginner, so start with the basics, once you get body language right, openers and some kino going, then move into advance methos and indirect ones. You know what they say, don't try to run before you can walk.

I've only been at it properly around a month and halfway through "the game", it's a self confidence thing, believe in yourself and you will be fine, remember that, just go out with a good and confident mind set and the bitches be wanting you!

I think you should have waited to kino till after you laid some groundwork. Also, she was apparently bored waiting for her friend. Instead of acknowledging it you should have led her into an interesting routine or conversation. You need to take control of the conversation and don't let her lead you around--that is what women look for.

You should have walked up to her and opened with a routine. If you don't feel comfortable with that you could of just asked her the questions you did and when she said she was cold you could have said, "I'd offer you my coat but you haven't even bought me a drink yet!!" Begin to laugh and (mildly) kino her once she reciprocates. Then keep running threads. You must have interesting stuff to talk about other than asking questions--you control the conversation. Once the comfort stage sets in you can start on the questioning, but make sure they are purposeful.

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Very good advise guys.

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Just keep it real and listen to people's advice now, add the best bits up, and include it into your game.

On a related note;

Its so ironic how we were all at that stage(newbie,RAFC).

When I'd first discovered the community years ago,I never thought I would be at the stage I am now.

I used to be scared-puzzled at the thought of routines,canned or not.

A variation of The cube was actually my 1st. routine.It took me weeks to actually try it on a lone wolf.I fumbled out of fear and AA the first 2 times and looked silly even(lol).

Now,I've done the cube routine so much that its instinct and 2nd.
nature.

AA does peep out rarely but it isn't a crippling,stopping me dead in my tracks type.

So to all the newbies,keep striving for mastery.Don't just look to pick-up,but to be a social master.

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Little more tips(inner game)for "Over The Top"(the originl poster).

I'd learnt this great tactic from an online-dating coach's newsletter[can't remember which reknown PUA it was].

A great mistake you,Over the top,might've made was that your state wasn't pumped,nor (slightly)higher than hers,therefore you essentially failed to raise her state(bored).From your initial post,I want to believe that the girl you'd approached was the only 1 you sarged that night or at that venue.

You probably seen her at an opportuned time(before party's over-lol)and went in.

So,being that you hadn't chat up any girls or guys prior,you went in flat,lame and boring.

Now,the major tip I got from that PUA's article years ago was that you should have a pumped state before entering set.

Pump your fucking self up!!!How?By talking to ppl all night:girls,guys and all.Work the fucking place or at least a few people!! Build your state that way!Build courage!

You don't have to be hi5ing ppl(it does help but that's advance gaming-lol).You should be small talking with 1 and 2 ppl at the venue:not to seduce but just to build state & pre-selection. So when its time to approach an OYD(object of your desire),your state would've already been psyched up and ready.

You probably were standing alone all night at the party,looking lonely(DLV)in a darkened corner hoping not to be seen.Then in that dull state,you approached the target just to say that at least you tried!!

Wrong state!!The target probably had noticed you earlier and ruled you out already because you gave off beta vibes. So she probably just spoke to you to be nice-knowing she'd already rejected you[no # close].

Moral of the story to all RAFC's is:chat up everyone in order to build a talkative state.Talk to your fucking self if you have to!

When I enter a grocery store,Im talking to the old lady & guy,making fun of the...(lol),chatting to the cashiers,recommending products to ppl,etc.

Now lets say an HB15 was there.If I'd decided to step to her-in that state(fun,humorous,chatty,social,alpha)-there's no way on Earth she could've rejected me when everyone has accepted me(via talking to me).State is contagious:it'll rub off on her.

You had a dull/boring state thus it rubbed off on her-and she was already bored(lol)!

Newbie mistakes;learn from them "Over The Top".

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