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Hey all, this is my third field report, I learned alot again, I'll do the usual, give you a run-down of the field report and on the bottom I'll tell you the things I've learned and what I could've done better. I doubt alot of people are going to read it all, but I'd appreciate some feedback, anyway, ENJOY!

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My field report:

I'll start by describing the scenario, I didn't sleep enough the day before the party so I was kinda feeling tired all-night, I drank 2 energy drinks on the way to the party, but they didn't really help all that much. I still had an awesome time though.

As we entered the party (It was a birthday houseparty that my mates girlfriend was hosting) we introduced ourselves to everyone, the mom, the dad, my friends immediately went outside to smoke, so I took this opportunity to mingle, lots of fluff-talk, nothing special.

Later my friends came back and owned the set (I told you about my cockblocker friend in my last field report, well, I'm not going out with him anymore, I'm now rolling with my natural friends).
They immediately DHV themselves by telling everyone about their road trips (Where I wasn't a part of unfortunately), everyone in set is immediately attracted, they tease, they flirt, oh wow, it was awesome seeing all this stuff work how it's supposed to, great way to learn.

Anyway, as I said I was tired, didn't say all too much, I eject, joined some other groups, I basically fluff talked all night, but I won't bore you with that, I did however run some good game on an HB8.

My friends were in a group, I joined in, we fluffed and she asked me about what I do, instead I told her about my future plans, and that is studying Psychology (That's right, no C&F, I figured I'd try it without the C&F)
I DHV'd with a routine that Matador invented, I like this one alot, because it's like he's describing me when he told it, it doesn't go exactly like this, since I edited it to suit me, but my version goes like this:
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Alot of things interest me in this world, but I love social psychology, I was never any good with people, until I met a person who was good with people and he showed me that it's not important WHAT you know, but WHO you know, because there is alot of information in the world and there are alot of people that you can learn from but they have to be in your life to be able to do that.

I'm proud of my friends now, they would help me if I were in trouble and I'd do the same for them, but to be able to have those kind of friends you'd have to be good with people.

So after I met my friend who was good with people I tried to figure out what he did and what made him so liked by all these people. He opened my eyes and ever since I've been constantly improving myself, by being more social, etc.

And that's why I love social psychology, because I think that's one of the best skillsets to have.
All the time she's giving me IOI's, agreeing with me, eye contact, etc, things were looking good, and they got even better when my friends DHV'd me and told her I can do an awesome thing and I should do the cube on her. (should've played more on charging money for it, but I didn't, instead I took the chance to isolate her)
So I do cube, she's really interested, eye contact, laughing. And after I asked her all the cube questions I told her (I got this from Style) that "it doesn't mean anything!".
She laughed and asked me if I tell that everytime I do the cube. I didn't know how to respond to this, so I just told her no.
We were actually semi-isolated, logistics prevented me from fully-isolating her outside (It was -15 degrees) we were on a sofa in the corner of the room (near the kitchen), and just as I was done doing the cube I wanted to qualify her, but people kept interrupted, and I didn't feel right qualifying her when her friends were around.
So I tell her if she's ever in Rotterdam (My hometown, the party was located in a house that was a 2-hour drive away) she should call me (To bait her to ask me for my number, but she didn't (Even if she did, I don't like giving my number to girls, it's just a good way to calibrate where you stand), she's like, "Yeah I will!", I asked for her number so I would call her when I'm out with friends that she could join, she gives her number, we fluff some more, but I didn't think I could go for a kissclose, because all her friends were there and they could all see her, even when isolated. So I just left it at that and went searching for my friends.

I actually had my eye on an HB9 aswell, I planted a seed when she first came in: "Hi, I'm xxxx, but you'll probably won't remember it, I'll test you in about 30 minutes to see if you'll still know it". (My name is Italian and people never remember it, after I start doing this to people they actually do, it's great)
her: "Yeah! Sure! I'll remember it! :P"
after this I left her (it was the beginning of the night), but later when I came to look for her she was already gone, shame.

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That's my field report, the number didn't flake, I tried doing a routine Mystery made (Yeah I know, I said routines suck, but I'm willing to try them at least once if they sound good), so I called her up and asked her:
"Hey, do you know who the artist is of this song, it's driving me crazy! *You spin my head right round right round*"
her: "No sorry, I don't know, but I got to go, I'm at work"
me: "Alright, ask someone for me and call me back" *hang-up*

This was sort of a thing to first get her used to you calling her, and second to bypass the: "Hey, this is xxx from last night, I had an awesome time, etc"

Later I got a text saying:
"Now that song is stuck in my head! THANKS ALOT! :P And I really don't know who it's from. Btw, don't you say your name when you give someone a call?" (I didn't tell her my name all night, I wanted her to ask me, now thinking about it I should've teased her about not knowing my name, but seeing as I didn't know hers until she entered it in my phone I figured I'd let this one pass)

The idea for this was to later call her again and tell her:
"well thanks, the artist was xxx, oh, btw I forgot to tell you what your horse meant in the cube, it means..." (I forgot this one on purpose actually :P)

Anyway, I didn't want to reply with a text, so I called her, no response. I tried again the next day, no response. After the second time she texted me saying:
"Hey, sorry, no offense, but I don't talk to guys on the phone who I've only talked to for 1 night"

WTF?! That's like the weirdest text I've ever heard.

I texted her back saying:
"Alright, actually I forgot to tell you what your horse meant from the cube, but I'll tell you about it when you and your friends come to Rotterdam. Btw, the artist of the song was xxx"

I figured this set is dead, where did it go wrong? I'm thinking it was because we didn't have enough of an emotional connection (qualification?). What do you guys think?

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Self-reflection (Things I've learned):

- Get enough sleep before you go out, I guess now I know what people mean by having an off-night. You really don't feel like socializing.
I got great feedback about this by this one girl, she told me that I AM very social and I DO go talk to random people, but that after that I'm kinda quiet. This is true, how I see this is: I either didn't know what to say or I didn't really feel like socializing, because of the tiredness.

- Not enough qualification, not enough kino (Only friendly touches). I think if it worked out with the HB8 I'd still end up in the friendszone.

- When you can't isolate, best is to get a number or a bounce, but for some reason I forgot to bounce, so I just got the number.

- Naturals are great for learning how social settings and game work. Especially about when and how to tease and how to win over a group. (Still my sticking point, I kinda bypassed this because it was a houseparty)

- In my last field report I told you I'd make DHV stories about myself, I only made one and thought this was enough, but having a couple in your back pocket is really useful, so I'm going to work on some more.

- Actually I went from comfort (talking about my passion for Psychology) to attraction (DHV with the cube/isolation). I think I already had attraction somehow, because I went straight into comfort. Oh man, I should've gone straight into qualification :P Oh well.

- I said this before in my first field report, but I'll say it again, because I just realised that I'm really thankful I feel this way:
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"Nothing from the outside can make me unhappy or make me feel like crap, the only thing that makes me feel like crap is if I dissapoint myself by not approaching."
This is true, because it reflects on the fact that everytime I get rejected, I don't take it personally, it's my 'game' that's bad (not just approaching), and I need to fix it. It's always my fault, it's something I did, or didn't do that got the results that I got. My job is to pinpoint where it went wrong and how to fix it, so that next time I won't repeat the same mistakes.

- It's good to know where my faults lie, so I know how to fix them, it's just hard to remember it all when your in-field, from now on I'll try to remember and do only little bits (Like one night my goal is to: create attraction and isolate), until I perfect that, then I'll go on to kiss-closing/bouncing, and so on
Now what I do is read everything there is to know about everything, try to remember it, and go out :P That's not working for me, there's just too much info out there!




I'd appreciate it if you guys could give me feedback on the part that's in bold. Especially about what the hell that last text was about (I don't talk to guys on the phone that I've only talked to for 1 night).



UPDATE:
She text me back saying:
"You can tell me the horse through text, or is it too hard?"

I figured since she lives so far that I'm not going to see her soon, that I should go for the msn and just build up comfort through there, if I wait too long she'll forget me, and through msn I can keep contact, but I'll risk getting in the friendszone, because there is no kino.

So that's what I did, I texted back saying:
"Nah, I'll have to send too many texts, but I get it, you don't want to talk on the phone it's too personal for you, so give me your msn and I'll explain it"

So she gives me MSN, we chat, I end up in the friendszone, she comes to Rotterdam, and I'll game her friends, that's my plan.

I'd still like feedback though, this was good practise. :)

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I have a suggestion about you saying there is too much info out there and you need to go out and try one thing at a time. Make a CHEAT SHEET..that might sound stupid but seriously do it. and when you get stuck pull it out..even if you are isolated. I picked this up by watching one of mysterys videos..Im telling you it can be a life saver and if you get stuck then pull it out. sometimes i am not stuck at all but just pull it out anyway right in front of her. inf act it !could actually start up a convo again because she will normally ask you wtf was that?!? then you can neg her about being nosy or whatever you want from there.

Just a suggestion maybe it will help you...maybe not


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I have a suggestion about you saying there is too much info out there and you need to go out and try one thing at a time. Make a CHEAT SHEET..that might sound stupid but seriously do it. and when you get stuck pull it out..even if you are isolated. I picked this up by watching one of mysterys videos..Im telling you it can be a life saver and if you get stuck then pull it out. sometimes i am not stuck at all but just pull it out anyway right in front of her. inf act it !could actually start up a convo again because she will normally ask you wtf was that?!? then you can neg her about being nosy or whatever you want from there.

Just a suggestion maybe it will help you...maybe not
yeah, thats pretty good, I'll make one of those soon, thx

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Hi Oldman,

Ok, off the top of my head, some suggestions:

- During the party you probably didnt build enough attraction (at least thats what I get from your description), you shouldve gone for more KINO, talk about something more sexual (for example, you didnt tell her what the horse meant - I would use this to start talking to her about her ideal man, how she likes sex, is adventurous, w/e). In general I would say that if you cannot finish with a k close you did not build enough attraction.

- The routine you used to call her... I dont like it, but I am not saying it doesnt work. What is obvious is that she DOES NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ON THE PHONE. Man, how can you miss this. You call her, she quickly blows you off, then later sends you an apology and a conversation opener. She obviously wanted to text with you. And what do you do? You call her again!!

I think you can still game her, just use texts, make sure its C/F, stop sucking up to her (plz plz I want to tell you about the horse etc), neg her for her previous behavior and anything else... etc etc


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I really am not sure what you could have done at the party, it seems like you did well enough with her, given the circumstances.

I like the idea with the song and the text, and I've never heard of a girl texting but not talking to a guy. That's ridiculous. I think the best way to deal with it is a neg. When she sent you that "I'm not talking" nonsense, you should have replied via text with some sort of neg or freeze out. I'm not sure which or how at the moment. Still too young in the game.

Sorry I can't give any better feedback, still learning! :P


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Hi Oldman,

Ok, off the top of my head, some suggestions:

- During the party you probably didnt build enough attraction (at least thats what I get from your description), you shouldve gone for more KINO, talk about something more sexual (for example, you didnt tell her what the horse meant - I would use this to start talking to her about her ideal man, how she likes sex, is adventurous, w/e). In general I would say that if you cannot finish with a k close you did not build enough attraction.

- The routine you used to call her... I dont like it, but I am not saying it doesnt work. What is obvious is that she DOES NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ON THE PHONE. Man, how can you miss this. You call her, she quickly blows you off, then later sends you an apology and a conversation opener. She obviously wanted to text with you. And what do you do? You call her again!!

I think you can still game her, just use texts, make sure its C/F, stop sucking up to her (plz plz I want to tell you about the horse etc), neg her for her previous behavior and anything else... etc etc
Yeah, I figured it out later on though
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I texted back saying:
"Nah, I'll have to send too many texts, but I get it, you don't want to talk on the phone it's too personal for you, so give me your msn and I'll explain it"
The thing is, the first few times I really thought she was busy (first time busy at work, and later not answering, because she's busy with something else), I actually had in my head to totally next her after the last call if she didn't re-initiate.

And it didn't come off as sucking up to her, it was more or less in the mind-frame of: "I forgot to tell you this, I figured you'd want to know what it means"

But thx for the tips, maybe I'm seeing this from a wrong angle here, I'll definately play the C&F/neg/tease thing on msn.

How do you reckon I should neg her for the not wanting to talk on the phone thing? Calling her non-social in a funny sorta way, or is that too harsh?

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Like I said, I'm not sure. I think freeze out would be better. You could work off the cube result: You know how you probably told her she was extroverted or outgoing or warm or in her emotions or something as a result of that cube exam.

Play on that with a text along the lines of, "I thought you were an emotional person who wanted to connect with others. Don't you feel this texting is a tad cold?" Not exactly like that(too eloquent and not playful enough) but that's the general thought. Draw her out of her little cocoon - don't ever give any ground yourself.


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