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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:17 am 
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I made the commitment tonight to open 5 sets. Unfortunately, I only made it through 4 and 2 were warm opens and none really hooked. My opener for the night was from Herbal: "Which is better, crunchy or creamy peanut butter?" Here are the play by plays:

Set 1: warm open 2 girls
First set was a warm open with 2 girls my friends met last night (I was tired and left early). We were sitting at a table and they saw my friend and came over. He introduced them to me withing 30 seconds. Neither was very hot (both 6.5s) so I picked one randomly to be my target. I quickly modified the peanut butter opener to a fight my roomate and I got into about pb and asked the entire group. Both girls said creamy, but I only negged HB_Target for it. They told me they were studying to be guidance councilors and I negged HB_Target for taking such an easy job by relating it to a high school teacher who compared being a guidance councilor to retiring early. I told a story about how I just graduated college, but my real job doesn't start until November so I still just show up to classes I'm not actually taking, and how I almost got caught the other day. I wanted to follow this story with a story about my job (pilot) and some of the crazy things I've done in airplanes, but she didn't ask about what my job would be and I felt it would be too braggy if I just brought it up. I started getting IOIs (leaning in, re-engaging the conversation, playfulness) from HB_NotTarget and HB_Target began talking to my friend. I thought I had gone too far with the negs and directed my stories too much towards HB_NotTarget. I figured that I should just try to continue practicing so I started to focus on HB_NotTarget. After a few more minutes of fluffing, the girls went to get a drink. They came back intermittently while we were still at the bar. Then, on our way out, HB_Target came by and used some callback humor on the peanut butter and said she had changed her mind to crunchy (crunchy was my choice). I was on my way out, so I put a hand on her waist and told her maybe we could be friends after all, hugged her and walked towards the door.

Set 2: mixed set, 2 girls 1 guy
As I was on my way towards the door I decided that I was not going to get to my goal of 5 sets if I only had the one warm set as we were leaving the first bar, so I decided I had to open another before leaving. As I was walking towards the door, I saw this very cute HB9 with an HB7 and a guy that I decided to open. I walked past them and as I was passing threw the peanut butter opener over the shoulder to the guy. As they began to answer I turned towards them and one after another each said that they prefer creamy. I negged the entire group for their poor choice, but then I felt I had no way to continue from there so I ejected and went to the next bar.

Set 3: Warm open 3 girls 1 guy.
I met the guy and one of the girls HB_Brunette on Tuesday. It was the guys birthday and HB_Brunette is his sister. They are from the same hometown as a friend who was with me (both on Tuesday and tonight). I won't go into the details of the first meeting, but the guy and I are friendly and the sister smiling and jokingly called me a dick when I got there (is that good or bad?). I grabbed her, gave her a hug, and jokingly told her I was the nicest person she's ever met. I tried some kino escalation, touching her hip, her arm, her shoulder, and trying to be cocky funny. When I ran out of things to say, she would immediately turn to a friend and start talking to her/him. I figured I would try running Styles 5 questions game, but she didn't seem interested enough to want to try a game. I ended up walking away to find someone else to talk to.

I ended up talking briefly to several other people, but these were all situational openers which didn't hook. Because of the nonchalance of them, I don't remember them adequately enough to write anything about them.

Set 4: Cold Approach 2 guys 2 girls
I was leaving the second bar and walking home thinking about how I'd done and dejected that I hadn't met my goal of 5 sets. In fact there was only 1 cold open in all of it. I decided I had to try and get to 5 by the time I got home. I saw a set of 2 guys and 2 girls walking down the street as I neared my house. I had a very negative emotion, I wouldn't call it nervousness, but more like a dejected failure. Ouch, that hurts just to write. But anyways, I threw out the peanut butter opener. Everyone said crunchy, including a girl who followed it up with, "Wait, I'm allergic to peanuts." I thought that was amusing, but then they just kept walking, I went into my house .... several sets short.

So, this was my first night of commitment to sarging. I would love whatever pointers, insights, and reassurances you can offer. What looks way wrong, what looks okay, what looks good. You don't have to worry about hurting my feelings, I just want to learn.

Thanks,
sploit

edit:
I would also like to add that I kept my drinking to a bare minimum (2 drinks over 4 hours) and my friends found it strange. They kept wanting me to drink quicker and I felt weird about telling them that I didn't want to drink so that I could work on improving with girls sober. I simply said, "It's not a race, I'll drink what I want." But 1 beer every two hours was a little too slow for him. Has anyone had experience with something like this?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:38 am 
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From your first set:
Don't game girls you aren't attracted to, it just doesn't work. You need to feel the emotion between th two of you and you just can't express that when you aren't attracted to the girl.

2nd set:
If you are going to go with planned routines, PLAN THEM. Have a follow up, have stories and multiple threads laid out. Have a game plan. You ejected way too early there, you opened and then lost value by bailing out when they started showing interest.

3rd set:
You didn't build enough attraction. She was with her brother and he was your obstacle, you didn't neg and you conveyed too much interest by playfully acting cocky around her. One thing you can try is this, offer her your hand to spin her round, then push her away and say,"thats all you're getting babe". Keep the brother interested and she will automatically be interested in you.

4th Set:
Moving sets are very hard. But one of the girls showed an IOI by answering and then throwing a joke, perfect time to neg. You should have walked with them at that point and kept the convo running.

Keep things rolling and act natural. Routines are good to start with, they work, but you need to convey your natural self with routines, and people asily get lost in that. Also change the openers dude!! You were lucky that you didn't game an entire club coz you would have really lost value using the same line over and over.

Hope this helps :)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:57 pm 
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The previous poster gave some very good advice. Disarm the obstacles first, especially if it is a brother. She aint gonna want to mess around with some guy in front of her brother.

The only thing I could add is your feelings at the end of the night - dejected failure. This is the wrong attitude. Every approach is a success, every IOI a positive brick to add to your wall of seduction experience. Every time you make an approach and have some success or a positive result. Congratulate yourself. And don't go out with the aim of making a certain number of sets - go out thinking, I am going to open as many sets as I can and have as much fun as I can in the process. Rigid guidelines detract from the fluid, fun nature of the sarge IMO.

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