So here's my first sarging experience and where I'm at now:

my friend knew a group of girls and introduced me to them. When he first introduced me, I pretended to be texting on my phone and took a second to finish before talking to her.

Right after introductions, I ignored her for a bit. Then, while the target was talking to my friend I told the obstacle that "I had been ignoring her friend and was wondering if I could talk to her for a bit". The obstacle said that the target has a bf, and I replied with "I don't want to talk to her bf, I want to talk to her". The obstacle then said that guys have been hitting on the target all night . . blah blah blah. I said that I'm not that kind of guy and that I just wanted to talk to her (was this a mistake?). The obstacle agreed to me talking to the target so I did so.

Since I was already introduced, I didn't bother with an opener and instead talked some fluff, waiting for a good opportunity. This opportunity came when I negged her (I don't remember exactly what I said, I was pretty drunk I know this is a mistake as well) and she denied it. So then I said "I bet I know more about you then you know about yourself". She didn't believe me, so I asked her to sit down with me, which she did. I then did the cube game, which I was about 95% accurate. The target was eating it up and loving it, as was the obstacle who joined us after awhile because bar close was approaching. Half way through the game, the bouncers told us to leave because it was after bar close. I got up and started to leave without waiting for her. On my way out, I talked to the doorman (who is a friend) to DHV.

Outside, I was talking to some other friends when the target approached me. We got right back into the game and afterwards she asked me if I knew any other games. Instead of being a 'dancing monkey', I told her to give me her # so that we could hang out another time. She agreed, and I put her first name into my phone (to show that I remembered it) then handed her the phone and told her to put in her digits. She then asked for my number, which I gave her. I then said that my friends were waiting for me and that I had to leave. One thing I forgot to mention was that she remembered my name, first and last, when she was putting my number into her phone .. as well, she gave me 2 hugs during the night. I considered these as IOI's.

The next day, which was Thursday, I texted her and said "I hope you're putting your newfound personal insight to good use". She replied with "haha you bet I am!". I didn't text her back.

The day after that, which was Friday, I texted her and said that "So here's the deal: tomorrow night a group of us are going to Boston Pizza for a patio party, and then downtown to the bars. You, your friends, and your 10 foot cube (inside joke from the cube game; negged her for having such a big ego) should join us. She said that she had to work until 9, but would be going to the bars afterwards. I didn't text her back.

Saturday night at about 1:00 am (so sunday morning hah), she texts me "where u at", and I replied with "the mid-area of Cecil's" (a local bar). She doesn't text back, but a half hour later she walks up to me and we talked for maybe a minute before her friends dragged her away. I didn't see her for the rest of the night, and while I was walking home I texted her to "pick a number between 1-4" and "don't tell me what number you picked". I was attempting to do the number game via texting to see how it would work out. She didn't text back .. lol

Comments and critique would be much appreciated! Also, what would be a good next move?

cheers

Not necessarily a bad move. But Why do you have to ask her friend !!!
You were validating yourself to the friend ! wouldnt necessarily say that its a bad move but you wouldnt do such things after being in "the game" for sometime.
Glad you realize that it was a mistake. Unless you are very good at gaming and caliberation drinking could lead you to mis caliberation and if you are with your friends and she in your friend circle you could end up with some DLV.
I understand where you are coming from but this is unnecessary.
All IOIs, you showed that you were not needy and in control. Good job with not wanting to be a "dancing monkey"


You may consider this as an IOI but hugs mean nothing. Its no different than shaking hands and saying thank you. Only that, she is comfortable in your presence. Grandmas give hugs all the time.
Not bad, you again showed that you were in control and not needy. However, at this stage some of us would do a lil c&f, push and pull and play along a little more. But you have nothing to loose by not replying back.


Good again, thats the way to be. you showed that you have a life.
You are doing the push a little too much but again its fine if you are a beginner.

Saturday night at about 1:00 am (so sunday morning hah), she texts me "where u at",......She doesn't text back, but a half hour later she walks up to me

Huge IOIs !! She is digging you bro and you could have f closed, but you are doing great soo far


Yeah those ugly dumb ass friends, who dont get any guys themselves and dont like the attention their friends get. dont you just hate them.


Not required but whatever doesnt matter. use her for practise.

She didn't text back .. lol

This is not an IOD, she must be drunk or tired or whatever. dont think too much about this.
Continue what you are doing but dont do the push thing too much. You have conveyed that you arent needy which is a good thing. But now transition into the next phase. Get some time with her outside of a bar and try to seduce her. [/quote]

Marc's critique is definately thorough and well

im just gonna make it short and sweet
u did a very good job in ignoring the target and then getting good with the obsticle
the push pull was nice
but i think u probably could have easily kiss closed her on the first night
but its all good
this technically wasnt a sarge cuz it was a mutual friend thing
but it was good gaming
i wouldnt have thought it was ur first at all
the canned stuff (like the cube test) can get u caught at some point
so its nice to use it to see how all this works at first
but u soon gotta come up with ur own stuff
good gaming though

oh and the whole guess a number game...doesnt work too well through texting. haha. ive tried also.

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I said that I'm not that kind of guy and that I just wanted to talk to her (was this a mistake?).


This isn't very bad to say. It might remove her bitch shield, but you validating yourself talking to her.....
It might even nog remove her bitch shield because loads of guys allready said this to her that night....

You could say, at least this is what I say and it removes her bitch shield, but you have to change this subject along your story... Why would I hit on her, If i wasnt gay she'd be my type, but thanks you notice I dont look gay at all. You know, three guys have been hitting on me and slapped my ass today! I am feeling frustrated about it by slappin my ass for no reasonn. You know, I saw her lookin at my ass to! So I want YOU to make she doesn;t slap my ass.. Because I know i have a nice ass....

This works for me. At least, they laugh the shit out of them and give me IOIS such as playing with their hair and lookin more at my ass (it creates sexual tension)... So instead of validating myself I turn the table and show them I am the one who is the prize and I should be treated good. Also, I remove the bithc shield by saying I am gay... After a while i show them I am not gay, this is easy because the bitch shield is allready gone.

So actually i am using the underlying formula, which is: Turning the table and show you are the prize, removing bitch shield by being original [/quote]

Thanks for the insight fellas.

I approached the friend in order to remove bitch shields, prevent a cock block, and make sure that I could isolate the target with ease. I can definitely see where I was validating myself and am going to work on switching that around and become the prize.

Next, I plan on calling her to set up a meet. I'm supposed to be going to a Mexican party and was going to get her to come shopping with me for an outfit. I figure that it would be an interesting date and it also shows that I'm a busy guy, since she would be joining me on my errand.

The problem is that I know she works part-time and may not be available to join me. If this is the case, what's the best option? I don't want to ask if she's free on another day, because then I would be working my schedule around hers and making her the prize. So, if she's too busy to join me, should I just say "maybe we can meet up another time" and call her a week later? I hate running into this situation and don't know the best way to actually get her out without sounding like she can have me whenever she wants.

I also have another scenario in mind:

I just bought a Wii and am planning on having a group of people over before the bar to rock the Mario Party and have some predrinks. Should I invite her out? Is it too soon since the last time we last set up a meet? Is it a mistake to keep inviting her out to 'social gatherings'? On one hand, I think that she would be more comfortable in these situations because it doesn't conflict with the fact that she has a bf. On the other hand, inviting her to another social event may put me into the 'friend zone'.

Advice?

Hey my mate

Why are you pursuing a girl who allready has got a boyfriend, while you can get LOADS of girls with same looks and even better with maybe even higher status etc.. Than this girl.. I think you doing yourself a favor, by not gaming her anymore, maybe you are wasting all of your energy... It sounds a but cruel, but maybe this is the way it is. Why dont you go improve your skill and go out and approaching and sarging 7 sets a night or more, where there is a big chance of meeting a girl who is even hotter than hers.. You are the PRIZE man.. If she allready got a boyfriend, there is a big chance of being rejected man.. If I were you I would go improving my skill...

But you can invite her out and use her as a practice girl. Maybe she will even feel attracted to you. It doesen´t really matter what you do, there are exceptions off course, but I think this is great. Let her take some friends with her, so she will not feel uncomfortable.. And not invite her boyfriend offcourse....

Hey Seb,

I appreciate your concern, but I'm not a one-itis kind of guy. It's true that I'm pursuing a girl with a bf, but I'm still opening sets in the mean time. It's a numbers game I also think that the best way to test and improve your skills is to pick up girls with obvious obstacles .. such as having a bf. Think of it as being a sprinter and practicing with a sports parachute

and don't worry, I'll leave the boyfriend behind

Cheers

Can anyone answer my question about calling a girl to meet up and she's busy?

Alright fellas, this one's playing hardball.

Earlier today I texted her "want to have some fun? Wednesday afternoon I have some free time and need to pick out an outfit for a Mexican party, you should come shopping with me".

She replied with "Awwww i work!! ".

I then said "That's the exact opposite of fun! Tell you what, you can make it up to me by going for pretzels on Friday afternoon - your treat, of course ".

She didn't reply.

Here's my question: how much effort do you put into making plans before it starts to make you look like a participation award instead of the prize? This is directly related to what I was asking earlier - what is the best option for this kind of situation?

after about 3 turned down invites
i "punish" her, with no talking to her
cuz honestly after 3 invites, it seems try hard and she may think that she is the only girl u talk to (which she could be, but she shouldnt know this) and then basically give it a few days and if she doesnt text you or call u or anything for those few days then just text her and have a convo. no inviting anywhere. and if the convo went well, try contacting her the next day and getting something going, like a date or wutevv

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