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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:23 pm 
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I originally posted this in the Newbie area, but maybe this is a more appropriate place since this is sort of a field report....

I'd like to present this interaction I had at the bookstore, and get your thoughts on what I did right, and what I did wrong. If you like, you can skip directly to The Story, but I thought some background on me might be in order since it's my first post.

BACKGROUND:
Well guys, I've been doing some research lately: read The Game, read Venusian Arts, read Attraction Code, read DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder, listened to Dating Diablo, watched most of the Annihilation Method video, and watched some videos I found of Mystery's workshop. I've been slowly applying the methods, trying to internalize them, and looking to come off as natural and genuine as possible. Thanks to some inner game stuff and minor victories I've enjoyed by applying the techniques I've learned, my approach anxiety is virtually gone. I don't do clubs, my interest is day game... I tend to like bookstores because the type of girl I'm interested in enjoys a little bit of reading now and then. Loving the bookstore scene. Haha

THE STORY
So, I was at this sandwich shop type place yesterday and when I was ordering from the dude that works there, the girl (HB8) taking orders at the register next to me looked at me in a very casual way and smiled. As Mystery, DiCarlo and so many others say, assume attraction...self fulfilling prophecy sort of thing. So I smiled back, said hi. And went back to my business, keeping good rapport and being friendly/fun with the guy I was ordering from as well as another girl that worked there that starting talking to me about the capuccino type drink that I order and how she likes that drink a lot too. All in all, thanks to the video/audio/reading I've been exposed to (see background) I've gotten to the point where I can take practically any group of people and get a fun vibe going were guys and girls are freely talking, body language is good, and I'm at the center leading the interaction, good Alpha Male type stuff I would say.

That was yesterday... Today I'm at the bookstore, and I see HB8 from the sandwich place. She's reading some book, and I was about to approach and establish common ground right away ("hey you're from the sandwich shop!") when I just happened to run into a couple of friends. Total DHV (yes!), they're all enthusiastic, happy to see me, talked for a couple minutes, I tell a quick DHV story to them (which I know HB8 heard, yes!), they respond positively, again I'm feeling I'm really giving off a good Alpha Male, fun vibe. She is totally aware of my presence. State is excellent. Still trying to calibrate for myself what a good, strong frame feels like. But I think I'm doing good. The friends leave, I smoothy turn around, walk a couple of steps and say "hey do you work for that sandwich shop, you look so familiar." she says, "yeah i do, you came in yesterday, i remember you... [beat] uh, i remember a lot of people who come into the shop." cool.

we continue to talk, she is very open, friendly, relaxed, we start talking about travel and photography, two interests we share. she says, "I have some pictures in my car i could go get if you wanna see them." I say "that's cool, so tell me more about [blah blah]." i basically acknowledged the pictures but tried not to seem too interested too fast. The conversation died down a little after another 5 minutes, so at that point I spontaneously said (and I was saving this for later on purpose) "Hey! show me those pictures!" she smiled and jumped up and said "cool i'll get them, hey what time is it, I have to meet my friends from the sandwich place when they get off work a little later" (the sandwich place closes like at 10, it is about 10:10pm right now.) i say it's about ten. she says "ok thanks." I follow her to her car (probably should have just said I'd meet her at a table in the bookstore cafeteria area), she gets the pictures, then says we should go inside to the cafeteria area of the book store. I am gentlemanly in and out of the bookstore, open doors for her, and she seems to respond well.

We sit down, i start the escalation ladder, by touching her arm to emphasize points while talking, she shows me more pictures, I comment positively. A couple of times, she moves pictures around and shows me stuff while SHE initiates incidental kino (hand to hand) with me. Our hands/ arms touch several seconds at a time and she is completely comfortable with this. Then she says "do you like my necklace? I made it" and she picks it up from her neck and leans forward while showing it to me, I reach out and she puts it in my hand. I start thinking about how I don't want to touch head/neck/hair area yet because I haven't really done the escalation ladder's overt torso/legs yet, and then I realize hey what am I doing? I'm having this great rapport with a smart, well travelled, artistic, interesting, cute-as-a-button HB8, and all I'm thinking is about how I'm in Mystery's C1, up to Overt Torso on the ladder, deciding if I should do cube or do another DHV story. "NO! I shout in my head. Be in the moment! You're sitting in the bookstore at a table with the most attractive girl in the room, and she's kinoing YOU. Live THIS moment." SO I get out of my head, loosen up a little more and we continue talking. Few minutes later she asks "what time is?" I say it's 10:40, she says "Oh, I have to go then," and she starts gathering her things. I finally get out of my head and start living the moment and now she has to go?!?!? To myself, I said 'hey that's cool whatever,' but don't verbalize anything, just kinda shrug as she's putting her pictures in her bag. I'm hoping I conveyed, "Hey I disapprove of you leaving since we're having so much fun now, but no problem, I don't NEED you." Or it may have just been a deer in the headlights look. Guess I'll never know. Haha. I guess the silence made her slightly uncomfortable though, cause she looked at me and said, "I'm sorry but I do have to go. I'll see you when you come get another sandwich though." And acted like she sorta meant it. (Remember, she did say earlier how she was waiting for her friends to get off work to hang out with them).

I said "that's cool, but sometimes I'm in the mood for a sandwich and other times not so you never know when you'll see me again" in a playful sorta way. She then says, "I'm going to the bathroom first (which was in one direction), and then I'll go to my car (which was in the other direction, which meant that on her way back she'd end up passing the table where we were sitting)." Wondering why she went into this odd 'explanation mode' I said "no problem say your name for me one more time (her name is kinda unusual)." She says her name again and gives me an easy way of remembering the pronunciation (still in explanation mode), I reach out and kinda grab hands (i'm sitting, she's now standing), and I say "see ya later." and she walks away. To show that i have a life too, I return a friend's call from earlier and make sure I'm chatting and laughing it up and having a good time on the phone, now alone at the table, while HB8 walks past me from the bathroom toward her car.

So that's it. THANK YOU SO MUCH for reading this far. Can you tell me what I did right and what I did wrong? What should I do next? At this stage of my personal development I'm concentrating on spending time getting good at approaching, building comfort, DHVing etc, not really worrying about getting a girl all the way to the bed in 30 minutes. So I'm really just practicing, and if I blow it who cares! There's another girl cuter than the first waiting to run into me. I want to start at the beginning and really master 1st things 1st before moving on. Writing this report also really helped me sort the interaction in my mind. Feel free to pick it apart and pinpoint weak and strong aspects.

Looking forward to your comments,
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:34 am 
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your game is really on point, kudos to you dude. Where you went wrong though was

1) you wanted to live in the moment. Unless your on a date with this chick you shouldn't do this cause she might get bored and leave. Always keep escalating and keep her I interest.

2)you didn't number close. You had everything going and she mosllt likely didn't think you were needy, but how is this gonna go anywhere if you two don't stay in contact?

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I think you should have number closed there but you should go back to the sandwhich place.

Heres how your next convo should go down if i were you:

You: I know you missed me but dont worry im here now
HB8: Oh yeah totally
You: Ill be back in a second, make me a sandwhich k?
start walking away
HB8: Wait, what type do you want?
You: surprise me! Dont forget to make it with extra love
go get a drink or some shit and come back, then make a big deal about what sandwhich she made (obviously in a joking way)
You: you know i actually thought we were getting along but i just dont know anymore.

Then just pick up from where you left off. But dont match this conversation word for word, dont even think about it, just get the jist of what im trying to say and make it work for YOU. After all your the alpha male and you shouldn't take shit from anybody especially me ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:02 am 
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Thanks for your comments!
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your game is really on point, kudos to you dude. Where you went wrong though was

1) you wanted to live in the moment. Unless your on a date with this chick you shouldn't do this cause she might get bored and leave. Always keep escalating and keep her I interest.

2)you didn't number close. You had everything going and she mosllt likely didn't think you were needy, but how is this gonna go anywhere if you two don't stay in contact?
thanks Mithos. I was actually thinking the same thing today about how i should have been escalating more. if youre not escalating youre not doing anything, right? what kino would you suggest that i should have done?

i'm not sure about the thing you said about not living in the moment. when i felt myself get out of my own head and start living in the moment, i actually started enjoying the interaction twice as much, like i was just savoring the moment. i think it made my frame stronger, because i just felt so damn good about the situation. i did continue to lead the convo and focus on building comfort though. bad approach? let me know why if so.

and about the contact thing, true, i should have # closed but im not sweating it because i know i can see her again just by going to the sandwich shop again. i know it and she knows it, she even mentioned it herself, which i see as an ioi. the only thing is, i wonder if she views it as me missing a window of opportunity ("he should have asked me for my number. why, was he afraid to? totally beta male material!")?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:04 am 
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I think you should have number closed there but you should go back to the sandwhich place.

Heres how your next convo should go down if i were you:

You: I know you missed me but dont worry im here now
HB8: Oh yeah totally
You: Ill be back in a second, make me a sandwhich k?
start walking away
HB8: Wait, what type do you want?
You: surprise me! Dont forget to make it with extra love
go get a drink or some shit and come back, then make a big deal about what sandwhich she made (obviously in a joking way)
You: you know i actually thought we were getting along but i just dont know anymore.

Then just pick up from where you left off. But dont match this conversation word for word, dont even think about it, just get the jist of what im trying to say and make it work for YOU. After all your the alpha male and you shouldn't take shit from anybody especially me ;)
thanks for the approach, Rushy. i will try it soon.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:07 am 
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Np, in case you start living in the moment and need a conversation to talk about, ive posted alot of different PUA stuff in the Routines section. Also, i think you have enough IOI to add more kino (like hair) and go into some small cold reading. The finger cold read (find it in the routines section) is a good way to keep conversation flowing once its died down.


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Thanks for your comments!
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your game is really on point, kudos to you dude. Where you went wrong though was

1) you wanted to live in the moment. Unless your on a date with this chick you shouldn't do this cause she might get bored and leave. Always keep escalating and keep her I interest.

2)you didn't number close. You had everything going and she mosllt likely didn't think you were needy, but how is this gonna go anywhere if you two don't stay in contact?
thanks Mithos. I was actually thinking the same thing today about how i should have been escalating more. if youre not escalating youre not doing anything, right? what kino would you suggest that i should have done?

i'm not sure about the thing you said about not living in the moment. when i felt myself get out of my own head and start living in the moment, i actually started enjoying the interaction twice as much, like i was just savoring the moment. i think it made my frame stronger, because i just felt so damn good about the situation. i did continue to lead the convo and focus on building comfort though. bad approach? let me know why if so.

and about the contact thing, true, i should have # closed but im not sweating it because i know i can see her again just by going to the sandwich shop again. i know it and she knows it, she even mentioned it herself, which i see as an ioi. the only thing is, i wonder if she views it as me missing a window of opportunity ("he should have asked me for my number. why, was he afraid to? totally beta male material!")?
The kino I would of done the same thing you did except ended it with my arm around her shoulder. I doubt that she saw it as you missing the window of oppertunity. She most likely saw it as "he's not interested in my like that" but hey, I do believe that's what the push/pull technique is about isn't it? :wink:

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I'd say that she told you she was going to the bathroom, and then to her car, because she wanted you to ask for her number. She didn't want the interaction to end either. You should go back, order that sandwich like Rushy suggested, and sit down with your back to her... She'll find a reason to come and talk to you... When she does, get her number.


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good insight. i guess she was torn between continue to hang with me or to uphold a previous engagement with her friends. the key is definately getting her number at the next interaction no matter what. i'll visit the sandwich place again, do a little push pull, and # close.

i must say, rushy, if you're really only, 15 im impressed with your maturity. assuming your field work youve posted isn't made up, youre strides ahead of most midteens. :)


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Thanks for making my day man. Everytime someone compliments me i always get that little extra bit of confidence to conquer my approach anxiety.

Its true, today i was nervous about approaching someone and just thought about what people on this forum would say which lead me to just go up, talk and #close >: D


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