Ok, i leave my office to go to lunch, head to this yummy upscale sandwich place. Get my sandwich but have to wait for somthing else to cook. I spot a 2 set of HB8's. They are sitting in the corner of the place which has a counter that can only hold 3 people and its seperated from the rest of the seating area by about 15 feet. I use my needing to put my stuff down and go to the restroom as my opener.

I go to the smpty seat by them with my sandwich and say "U guys look honest, Watch this for me?". I head to the rest room then pick up my other food. When i go to sit down my sandwich is gone.

I go to dark haird HB8, "its you!" "u r a theif....I knew it" (Looking towards the blonde HB8 and laughing). They had hid my sandwich, this i was not expecting...man they were giving me an IOI allready...sweet. They return my sandwich back to me.

I go into female roomates, then a really funny routine/story i have.....neg the dark haird one lightly "this one talks a lot, u need an off button". She giggles. I have them both laughing and going great. Dark haired HB8 looks at her phone "Its been fun but we got to get back to work". I take out my phone, ok whats your #. I get (in a playful way) "i cant give u my #" im like why.....this is as they are walking away.....she said some shit i dont remember what. Then i said "ok ill see u guys later.

The only thing that was tough is to eat while im trying to carry this routine. I didnt want to not eat and look as i was devoting all my energy to them (and i was REALLY HUNGRY lol) and i didnt want to talk with my mouth full.

Why didnt i close this? I dont think i have ever gotten this far, and had it go this well and not get a close....wtf? Normally i could think of where i screwed up, but this one was perfect...I cant see anything i did wrong?


Kinoesclator

You had attraction it seems and have actually DHV'd by eating in front of them. Based on what you said, it doesn't seem like you got to the point of building comfort with your target yet. I'm guessing that because you were still in the attract phase and you had't created enough comfort with her to get her number. Also, she had her friends with her, which means she didn't want to look like a "slut" by giving some guy she's know for 5 minutes her number.

Okay to sum things up. Partly there wasn't enough comfort there for her to do it. Secondly, she was in a situation where she didn't want to DLV herself in front of her friends.

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Smooth, now that u said it......and i think about it....yep, that was definatly it. Funny how its easy to tell someone what they did wrong but sometimes you cant see your own mistakes!

U and i must go sarging some time in the music city.

Kinoesclator

Cool man! Do you live close by? Anyways, you have a open invitation to come hang out with me and my wings in the "MUSIC CITY USA" anytime. Just message or PM me if you want to go out sarging some weekend with us. Let me know.

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another thing. never ask why... EVER.

Lucid: I could see that asking WHY is AFC....true. Just say "OK" then let them go.

jsmooth: Im in NY, but i travel alot for months at a time usually. The work I do usually permits this. Im really into country so Nashville might be fun if im passing through. Some nice HB's there?

Im discovering the game seems much harder in NY than anywhere else I have been. Then again, im still learning.

Kinoesclator
"Opening at least 2 sets a day keeps the AFC in you away!"

girls are different, and "pua game" isn't universal. jsmooth was probably right for the most part, the friend was there for one... more social pressure if she gets your number. for two, comfort is the key to making you a suitable mate/boyfriend material.

there are a number of other reasons that could be the case... and we can't read her mind... ESPECIALLY because you weren't in the set that long.

-Sometimes, they say things they don't always mean or are still second thinking.... so just out of habit she blurts something out without thinking.
("i can't give you my number")

-Maybe she has a boyfriend and is extremely loyal

-Maybe she's incredibly shallow...

You win some, you lose some. Even if you did get the #close... in that short amount of time, sometimes they don't even want to answer your calls... that happens so often it's annoying. The easiest way to make sure your set goes well is if you're in it for a good period of time. 15 minutes is perfect for a #close and most likely a day 2, if you do it right. The longer the better...

A few negs would have maybe kept her interest too, but we're not thinking of every single move we should throw in at that specific time. We're basically just going into pua mode by having the pua personality. The personality of leading, being cocky and funny, telling stories. We expect the set to last a while, but if it doesn't (for reason's neither side can control) then maybe all we can do is hope that we generated enough attraction/interest for them to at least give us their number. We can't go into comfort mode within 4-5 minutes, so we're not going to say you did a bad job. At least you know you would have got her if you had 20 more minutes =).

What I've noticed is the person leaving always has more control/power over the situation. The same way we leave and come back... to show our dominance. We lose value just by them leaving...

just something to keep in mind

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

hey man,
great post, i really enjoyed your FR - your opener, and the girls stealing your sandwhich..nice!

My main piece of advice would be change your number close, i think by asking her for her number straight-out like you did, activated her automatic pilot "no" response, even though I think she quite liked you.

If you had given her a pen and paper, and perhaps run Styles # close or something similar Im guessing she would have just written it down. I think the fact that you may not have gotten enough comfort would be more detrimental later on when it came time to arrange a day two.

that being said..great sarge man,
keep it up!

I like what Casual and Alex Hitchens have to add on this. They are right on target.

Oh and yes there are some awesome girls in Nashville, most of them trying to be the next Carrie Underwood or Taylor Swift

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Oh man, carrie underwood and Taylor swift. Thats the look im into 100% =).

Ive been trying to figure out who the girl in the brad paisly "online" video is. The one with the short blonde hair dancing on the audiances right...just behind brad. I thought it might be kelly pickler, but now im not sure.

I would call her an HB10. Go watch the video on youtube.

Kinoesclator

Good posts everyone. I would repeat, never ask why. I dont' ever do that. It opens you up for bad responses and DLV. Now as to why you didn't get number. I agree with the posts above. Plus, it's day game. It take longer to attract build comfort than at a bar. Here's a GREAT way to # close.

Instead of asking what's your number. Ask so how do we continue this conversation. I typically use this when I'm thinking correctly! haha. or I make an date for the future first then, just give her your phone and wait.

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HAPPY HUNTING

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And I said shit me...too.....

The simple fact is that you did not have neough time to build comfort. Your negs sounded like they worked and they probably did, but you have to understand that they were not there to meet a guy. Day game has to be much tighter than night game. If you have a limited amount of time like that in the daytime, you had better be captivating right off the bat.

Don't worry about it, just keep studying and practicing. You already have the upper hand.

its the way you tried to get the girls number that sucked (no offense). Just dont ask for her number next time. Either say something like "ok but how can we continue this interesting conversation again?" at which point she will normally give you her number (means you don't look so desperate by asking for it), or if you feel you have created enough good rapport (and some form of trust cos of this) you can just say "ok but gimme your number so we can continue this later, where is it you work by the way" - by doing this you still aren't asking for her number you are making a presupposition. If she likes you she will give you her number and answer the question but if she isn't interested she will just answer the question; at which point you can neg her about not listening cos she didn't give you her number.