The 2 Types of Men

Contrary to popular belief, there are not many types of men. Sure, we all have different interests, qualities, personalities etc....but when it comes to female attraction I believe there are only 2 types of men.

1st is the Average Frustrated Chumps and Pick Up Artists.

This is the group that most men fall under to some extent. Most men are too much of a nice guy and lack self respect when it comes to women. The smaller half of these men are pick up artists who attract women only through games, routines, stories, negs, role playing, cold reading and other ways that hide their true identity to women.

Both of these types of men fail with women. However, they fail with women in 2 different ways.

1. The “AFC” nice guy fails to attract, have sex with, or develop relationships with women. They fail at most if not everything with women.

2. The “Pick Up Artist” fails at developing relationships with women. He may attract women, sleep with women, and live a life that a nice AFC could only dream of, but still lack long term relationship potential. This is due to the fact that the PUA tends to hide himself through routines and stories (some of which are made up) that contributed to the very attraction from the woman that started the relationship to begin with!

2nd is the Alpha Male

This group consists of men who are attractive to almost every woman they encounter. They easily attract women, have sex with women and develop long term relationships with women (if they so choose to have a relationship).

People have mistakenly put Pick Up Artists on this group thinking that attraction and sex equal being successful with women. However, true success with women is attraction, sex and relationships that result from being yourself. Alpha Males truly are “being themselves”. They don’t act, do routines or anything like that to attract a woman, yet still manage to sleep with more women than most men dream of due to being a guy who has cultivated a lifestyle that is attractive.

These men are either rich, famous, high status, or great looking. The most successful “naturals” have all of these qualities.

The only thing natural about “naturals” is that women are attracted to money and looks due to the well known evolutionary reasons of survival and replication as Mystery has made known to most of the community.


However, when a guy learns this, he refuses to better himself and instead learns routines and other games used to demonstrate higher value instead of truly becoming higher value!

The solution is to become an Alpha Male with genuine value! The solution is to stop chasing women. The solution is be willing to go without women for a while to develop your looks, finances, and confidence.

Instead of faking confidence, we should become confident! Confidence isn’t something you can achieve through staying where you are at in life and telling yourself you are confident. Confidence is a result of self improvement.

I believe all men should stop being an AFC, and stop being a PUA.

I believe we should all strive to become an Alpha Male by improving our lives all together instead of chasing and gaming women. Then we kind experience the “natural” success with women.

Most of what you've written is true, and is very general. The part that I myself believe in most is that you cannot fake confidence. You cannot suddenly decide that 'OK, I will become a PUA starting today. I will learn all the lines and routines and I will get women'. That doesn't work, because you have to grow holistically in order to grow in the dating aspect. I absolutely agree that if you think you will just stay the same and expect women to come to you, they won't. Be the change you want to see in the world.

While I agree that lasting success with women is predicated by actual attractiveness I must disagree that attractive, successful men deserve the "Alpha," tag. In fact I really hate the alpha tag. It smacks of arrogance, in a bad way. Alpha implies that you are a leader of men. So it should only be used in that context. You are only being "Alpha," if your wing is making you look good or you are shutting down an AMOG. The term has little value outside of this context. You are not "Alpha," in the bedroom with a chick unless your buddy is filming it.

Believe it or not there are plenty of wealthy attractive dudes out there that do not get laid. Case in point. I have a buddy who is a 6' tall built investment banker that makes damn good money. He is 25 and has never had sex because he is afraid to talk to girls. I, myself, have had more than my fair share of female attention. I make less money, am shorter, and am quite chubby.

I think that the "Alpha," tag is commonly misattributed to men who have self confidence. That is all you really need, duh. If you are confident then you can accomplish anything with women. If you are a wuss then you can have all the money, looks, etc. in the world and you will fail. I would also argue that PUA is an integral part of being "Alpha." Mystery also teaches that sometimes you have to "fake it till you make it," but that you should dedicate some time to making it.

I disagree that assertion that you cannot be a PUA and be "Alpha." David Deangelo said something to the effect of "All men naturally know how to attract women." Really most of PUA, at least the C&F school of thought, is about re-learning behavior that society has taught us to forget. What did you do to the girls on the playground in grammar school? You pulled their hair and put sand in their lunchboxes...and they loved it. The "Alphas," just never forgot how to be this kind of man.

Would I get more pussy if I went out and lost 30 pounds or made $10k more a year? Maybe...maybe not. I am pretty satisfied with the pussy I am getting now. Would I be in a better relationship? I hope not. I am not too into relationships. I would, however, wager that most women who sleep with me would get into a relationship with me if I sent them that signal. I think it is more of a victory to add a woman to your FWB list though and that is typically what I go for.

There are a million books out there about having good relationships. They are mostly purchased and read by women. If you are a man who wants to be in a good relationship I truly believe that it is less about the selection process and more about the routine performance of certain relationship duties that I choose not to bother with. What the "Alpha," argument implies is that the relationship begins as soon as you meet and select a mate...So not the case. You could teach yourself to be a good relationship man just like you teach yourself to be a good PUA. Just get a subscription to Redbook and read "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus."

Having long term relationships with a woman may make you seem successful to society, but I think a lot of guys in this forum aren't interested in long term relationships. Therefore, perhaps we aren't into being exactly the man of a woman's dreams either.

Being Alpha requires a sense of commitment to a certain path in life. That has consequences. If you decide to devote yourself to computer engineering maybe a girl who loves skydiving won't come your way. If you decide to be a soccer player it might be hard to date a Afghani girl.

What has always pissed me off about life and society is that they want you to be a certain way and think you should be with a certain type of woman because of that. I got into the pickup game so that I could break down the barriers that, for instance, keep a math genious separated from an olympic swimmer. The dominant view these days seems to be that you should date your type. I wanted to be into pickup so regardless of what type of guy I was I could get the type of girl I wanted.

I hate sports but female athletes have always intrigued me. I could be the best goddamn scientist in the world I don't think it would bring me closer to dating an olympic volleyball player. Being Alpha(AKA successful at what you do) are just as necessary to your success with women as PUA is. Otherwise, you can't leverage your traits to intrigue the opposite sex.

I think PUA's put too much value on attraction actually, like it is the key to all the problems which plague a seduction. Yes, attraction is the currency by which a seduciton is conducted but its useless if you don't know how to take advantage of it to escalate.

More attractive guys are actually at a disadvantage in the early stages of a seduction because the girl's mind immediately associates the person with sex. Whether you say "hello?" or "nice weather today", your body is saying, "you want to have sex with me" and many times a girl will feel that desire and reject you because of it. Women are scared of sex and relationships a lot more than we are. A woman who sees you as a potential suitor will make every excuse in her mind to end the interraction.

Alpha-ness and being a good PUA I think need to be interrelated.