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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:35 am 
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What the hell is wrong with me?

That is my general question for the next day... I prepare, I know what to say and then..., the moment I get the chance I forget everything I have put in my own head. I dont't get it...

This night was in a bar, I was with a friend who is very good in opening. His work lies in doing conversation and not fucking up in that. We were standing at the bar and we saw a two set. Two 7.5's, not very hit women, but attractive. I looked at them and thought: "I can do this." But then it happend, he said: "listen I'm not opening up on them, you shouls. Go work your magic!" I shut, couldn't think of anything to say and tought: "they probably think I'm stupid".

What the hell, I know I should go in there and say something. They are not gonna find me stupid unless I give them the chance to think I am stupid!

I can think of all this now, but that is always to late. I don't know how to work on this and I'm stuck. I feel I am on the right tracj because I already think of this when I am standing in a bar, but I need to get the fucking nerve to move. To do it. To have confidence in the move and in myself.

This weekend I'll try agian, I am not fucking stopping with this!

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How i sort of got over that was just talk to girls about general stuff no routines. I was at a hockey game and basicalley just asked a bunch of hb10's for therre auto graph.


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I have a number of suggestions:


Do the mystery challenge. This involves (if you're not familiar with it) going to your local shopping centre, and saying 'hi' to every woman you pass by. It's surprising the number that start to talk 2 u (if they don't it's because they're surprised at you saying that, and can't think quite quick enough to reply).


Or, the style challenge: ringing up a random phone number, and finding out a good movie to watch. (This requires more confidence, and/or is more confidence building, in my opinion, than the first one).


Thirdly: This is the best one (although based on NLP). Imagine whats cool, in your head. Do this, it might be the walk of Bruce Willis, the attitude of Tom Cruise etc. Really picture how they breath, stand and think. Then try to mimmic it. This is what style did (as i'm sure you know), and it's what I've done. Instead of relying on peacocking, so that you don't need to be too confident, because your appearance is interesting. If you have the whole personality, then you're one step ahead of that (although peacocking is immensly valuable).


Finally, and this is even more NLP-ee, imagine you, in your head, how you want to be, talking to a girl if need be. Do this in vivid detail. When you can imagine yourself being like this, and doing this, step into the image, so that it becomes you. Feel confidant and all the fealings you wish to feal. Then, keep this picture in your head, and press your index and thumb together, thus anchoring this emotion to that pressure. If you do this like once a night for a week or so, you should develop this anchor so much, that just pressing the two fingers together gives you the same confidant boost.

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HI IVE GOT SOME ADVICE AND I WANT YOU TO TRY AND TAKE THIS SEROUISLY PUT A THONG ON AND WALK AROUND A PUBLIC AREA FOR AN HOUR YOU WILL BE SO EMBARESSED BUT THE NET TIME YOU WANT TO APPROACH SOME WOMEN IT WILL BE EASY BECAUSE IF YOU SHOW YOURSELF OFF IN FRONT OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TALIKIN TO A WOMEN WILL BE EASY!


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Thanks guys, I especially like your simple. I am going to a club tonight and I am gonna try and do the "hi" thing there. Saying hi without expectations might be a good idea! I like the NLP last one to, going to try that before I go and keep on doing it for a week or so. I will let you know the results!

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Great, let us know how it goes--- report!!
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Finally, and this is even more NLP-ee, imagine you, in your head, how you want to be, talking to a girl if need be. Do this in vivid detail. When you can imagine yourself being like this, and doing this, step into the image, so that it becomes you. Feel confidant and all the fealings you wish to feal. Then, keep this picture in your head, and press your index and thumb together, thus anchoring this emotion to that pressure. If you do this like once a night for a week or so, you should develop this anchor so much, that just pressing the two fingers together gives you the same confidant boost.

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I've read two NLP books and I have yet to have an anchor actually work. None of the books suggested I do it everynight though. Its crazy that some people can anchor stuff on OTHERs just with conversation


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You've not had an anchor work on you, or someone else?
Cus you've just gotta build rapour quickly with the other people- thats what the masters can do, make people seem so at ease that they can just be talked to on a deeper plane. This is what Jeffries does.
I set personal anchors all the time. It really does work. What have been your experiences?
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I know how you feel; some nights I'm just not "present". My mind is somewhere else (no not drunk, I never drink and play anymore). I've got a couple of tips that might do the trick:

1. If you just got the AA. You are just taking yourself too seriously. Make it a game with your friend/wing: Pick out a set and a routine your friend has to pull (with some kind of punishment if he backs out). If he follows your order he gets rewarded by a free choice of set and routine You have to pull. The goal is after all just to have fun (that's what the logic part of your brain will think)!

2. If you find yourself without something to say. Try to work on finding out stuff about people. Be really, really, curious about finding out stuff about people. Try to spot something that make the other person a little different, it will probably lead to a conversation. This doesn't happen over a night... personally I'm trying to look at a person and see something that make them special. You can do it on the bus, on the street, just anywhere. Once in a while you will find yourself so curious you actually have to go up and find out... and then it's genuine. Personally I hope I'm heading in a good direction with this.

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As regards to Gonzo's comments....
1. I agree with this point.. having a wing adds that extra element, and takes the edge off of it...
2. I don't think you've got the right idea... If you're the one being really really curious, then it immediatly pushes you down to having a lower value. Don't go up to people being too enthusiastic- start with a relatively impartial statement -opinion openers etc... because otherwise, you're no longer hard to attain, and are suddenly over keen.
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What I think is, as mentioned before, your just taking this way too seriously. Something that might really help you getting over this is reminding yoruself to look at the game as a social experiment. Got the word? Social experiment.

You have an opener? You have a good game to play? Well do an experiment. What over to that girl, try it out, go with the flow. Later on when your done with the night. Ask yourself, what went good what went bad. Make variations and try it on another girl, see if it gets better.

Treat everything as an experiment, because that's what it is. Nothing phases you, it's a game and your trying a brand new move.


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here is my suggestion.

First, think of an opener you will use that works in every situation. For instance, opinion opener. "My friend and I were talking, and we want a female opinion on something..." then after all that when you need to keep the convo going say, "so how long have you girls known eachother...wait, actually, let me see if i can figure it out...I learned this thing from my friend called the best friend test, have you heard of it..." They say "no we havn't heard of it" and then you do the best friend test.

Now, i know you didn't ask for lines or routines...but my point is that you should just have ONE thing planned to do. Then three second rule.

Did you catch that... I said

THREE SECOND RULE.

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What the hell is wrong with me?

That is my general question for the next day... I prepare, I know what to say and then..., the moment I get the chance I forget everything I have put in my own head. I dont't get it...

This night was in a bar, I was with a friend who is very good in opening. His work lies in doing conversation and not fucking up in that. We were standing at the bar and we saw a two set. Two 7.5's, not very hit women, but attractive. I looked at them and thought: "I can do this." But then it happend, he said: "listen I'm not opening up on them, you shouls. Go work your magic!" I shut, couldn't think of anything to say and tought: "they probably think I'm stupid".

What the hell, I know I should go in there and say something. They are not gonna find me stupid unless I give them the chance to think I am stupid!

I can think of all this now, but that is always to late. I don't know how to work on this and I'm stuck. I feel I am on the right tracj because I already think of this when I am standing in a bar, but I need to get the fucking nerve to move. To do it. To have confidence in the move and in myself.

This weekend I'll try agian, I am not fucking stopping with this!
First of all, there is nothing wrong with you. All you gotta do is get into the mindset of "I don't give a fuck." A long time friend told me "Shyness is the most worthless of human emotions" and I couldn't have said it better.
Just go into a bar, and don't give a fuck, walk up to some girls and just be like "Whatsup" and introduce yourself, who cares just have a good time and The whole goal of going out is to have a good time so don't let anything prevent you from doing so (even yourself).

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David Deangelo says to repeat in your head "I like me" ten times , Do it very often untill it becomes absorbed by the subcontious..Im trying it now along with other phrases..Does anyone think this will work?


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Could work. Ross Jefferies says to spend time walking up to random people saying "Hi, I am Marvin the Martian, what is your favorite flavor bowling ball?"

Now I don't support Ross Jefferies methods too much, but that is freakin' hilarious if you do that.

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