One of the things that really stopped my success with women when I started with this whole pick-up game was, that I waited untill I knew everything and THAN start approaching and talking to girls.

It had to be perfect for me.

I had to know ALL the lines, routines, what to say, how to say when to say it etc.

I wanted to know EVERYTHING.

Well this me wanting to know everything was actually stopping me BIG time when it came to actually GETTING LAID.

Let's stop for a second and let's think of this sequence.

1. you approach, meet
2. You get to know eachother, all the while you build attraction
3. You take her number
3. You get comfortable with eachother, you advance to kino and you advance to kissing
4. You meet up again and build comfort again, because the comfort went away after a few days apart
5. You advance to hot kissing and getting down to business
6. Some last minute questions pop up for her like "this is too fast, I'm not ready" etc. and you overcome that and you have sex
7. The end/ or the beginning

whatever..

So this model is pretty easy right?

Yes it is. But what happens is we guys take this model and than we say: "I need to find out every possible detail of every single part. Like, how exactly do I hold her hand, how strong, wich part is it the whole hand or just a pinki.."

This kind of thinking has WRONG written all over the place

WRONG WRONG WRONG


So what is right?

Let's move to the best advice I've ever received about pick up.

It's this.



STAY IN SEQUENCE.



What does that mean?


It means this. There are a few different stages from a beginner to a master. Stages that if you try to jump the sequence too fast will cost you in PARALYSIS.

These are the stages:

1. SUPERFICIAL
2. ADEQUATE
3. GOOD
4. MASTER
5. ALWAY IMPROVING

1st stage: SUPERFICIAL

Just do it. It doesn't have to be perfect. Infact, it shouldn't be perfect. This stage is meant for us to learn, to gain some experience, to actually just get to know the process.

This stage is in just TESTING, seeing with your own eyes and sense.

What most guys do is they find the BEST looking girl and they want to "practice" on her.


WRONG WRONG WRONG


An advice I got when I just started was: "Date a dog". Wich means, get the "not so good looking girl that you're actually comfortable with talking and talk to her" and talk to her. PRACTICE on her.

I didn't wanted to say this but I am.

Get UGLY chicks and practice on them.

Just practice.

Get the first stage OVER with.

2nd stage: ADEQUATE

This is the stage where you are average. You're not so good, but you're not the complete beginner also. You've just gotten to know how this works and youve gained some experience.

This does NOT make you a master.

You're at the adequate stage.

You should only practice some more.

3rd stage: GOOD

In this stage, you've gotten some more experience and now you're ready to take on a bigger challenge.

You know the sequence of pick up, you've got the system memorized or whatever and you know how to create attraction.

But you're only good. You're not the master.

In this stage, you're ready to take on a bigger challenge for yourself. You're ready to approach girls that you REALLY like, that just take your breath away BUT, and this is a BIG BUT, stay in sequence. Stay with the rules.

Remember, RULES of the game Don't change because a woman is more beautiful.

Rules never change.

A woman is a WOMAN.

So don't go all mushy washy on a girl you like. Keep doing what works with the ugly chicks.

Got it?

4th stage: MASTER

Now at this stage, you have a lot of experience in approaching girls, you know how to create attraction with the girls you REALLY like and you know how to date girls you want.

This is the point where you will start realizing who women are in reality. You will stop looking at them like some sort of a godess, but you will see her as a human being with all of her insecurities, worries, frustrations and feelings.

No more elevating girls on a pedastal, you know who you are, you know your worth and you don't want to put her down, you want her to be even better than she is.

You get compassion, real life compassion for women. You like them for who they really are, not only because of their looks.

Now you're ready to get a girl that you want.

You've now developed yourself into a MASTER.

5th stage: ALWAY IMPROVING

Every master will tell you, that the more he learns, the more he sees how much he doesn't know.

So there is ALWAYS room for improvement. Even the best guys you see out there are learning EVERY SINGLE DAY.

EVERY.

I'm serious.

Don't ever think that you've mastered something for so much that you can't improve anymore.

You always can.


The timetable to do this is whatever you say it is. It's probably not how long does it take to become a master, but it's the work and effort you put in in those other stages below.

In other words, how many girls you approach, how many conversations you start, how fast and intense do you learn etc.

This is what determines how fast you're going to become the MASTER.


Nothing else.


One thing I've learned after pursuing my success path for the last few year about success is this.

The key to success is FAILING FAST.

what do I mean by that?

It's YOU making as many mistakes as you can in the shortest amount of time.

Seriously, how many "fails" can you get in a night?

1?

2?

3?

40?

117?

It's as many as you say.

And if you settle for only 1 fail, than your progress is going to be slow.

But if you set your failure reate to be at 117, you are going to advance at LIGHTINING SPEED.

In literally couple of months you can become a master. But you can start seeing results in different stages in a couple of DAYS.

Yes, DAYS.


So stay in sequence.


Talk to you,

Fantom


P.S I'm doing a training on confidence and self esteem and I have about 13 seats left, if you want to learn how to be confident with women I can bring you there. If you're interested, write on my personal.

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I don't think you could ever know everything in this field. We are constantly evolving and changing.

It's a nice write up and a good read.

I love to keep improving and finding new angles on how to get what you want.

Remember it's all good fun.

interesting. Ill read it a couple times.

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great!!

I disagree with practicing on ugly chicks. You'll get into a comfort zone with gaming ugly chicks, and when it comes to hot chicks, the nerves kick in again.

Good read bro.

how can one hit on ugly chicks anyway? that would kill me. I'd rather go out with queer folks to learn some of their social skills just never k-close or even f-close.
going out with queers is a plus..these folks most easily connect with chicks.
simply because girls feel safer around gay men, one would be like a wolf in sheeps clothing ..I love it.. it's like running on autopilot; one usually doesn't have to do much to get to chicks that way.

ps:> otherwise great initial post btw.

Sports metaphor:
When training say a beginner boxer you could go about training him to ways:
1: Have him fight against the best fighter around everytime he trains because ultimately he wants to be the best fighter.
2: Have him fight guys of his own caliber and as he gets better his opponents get better.
1st option: He's gonna walk into the ring and get knocked out every time. He's not gonna learn anything because hes not gonna be in the ring long enough to learn anything. However he is going to develop balls of steel because hes getting knocked out all the time.
2nd option: He's gonna have long grueling fights with guys of the same caliber: hes gonna do things right and hes gonna do things wrong and hes gonna learn what he did wrong and thats gonna make him better, maybe he doesnt have the balls of the 1st option but hes actually developing skill and learning.

I'm a completely self taught pua. Actually I'm not a pua i'm an AFC slowly morphing into a pua. I'm adequate on the above list. And I agree with the thread starter completely. When I first got into this I learned the mentality that you must always go after the 9s and 10s because practicing on lower quality girls is not the same realm.
Now I havent gotten to the higher numbers yet I'm hanging around with the 7s and sometimes the 8s. But I can speak to them with control, I can start a conversation and make a move, despite not having all the abilities, without too much fear. I can last long enough to make mistakes and find out what my mistakes are. I'm not getting blown out of the water ever time, I'm hanging in there and learning stuff.
I can say over the last few months of really going out and really working on this my game has improved ten fold. I have never been surrounded by so many women in my life. I have slept with 5 different women in the last 3 months, none of whom was below a 7. I've gotten dozens of phone numbers and turned down some because I wasnt interested-this is something i've never been able to do before. Now that said, I still havent gotten the 9s and 10s, which is the ultimate goal. But had I started with them I can tell ya where it would've gone: shut down every time. I would not have wanted to go out, not wanted to continue and I would not be even close to where I am now.
I'm going out in 3 hours. Its friday night. I'm feeling inspired by this. I'm defidently going to try and move into the good tonight. Tonight should be the move from adequate to good.
Thanks for the post.

Yea, I've been a Muhammad Ali fan for a long time (been in boxing myself) and I remember how he trained.

It was very similar to your boxing metaphor. But in Ali's case, he was the one who was suppose to be weaker.

And by the surprise of all, ali kicked his ass and that's how he drew attention of others.

So yea, definitely be starting out with "uglies" and once you learn the process try it to the more hotter ones.

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