While on the path to becoming a successful PUA, have any of you guys worried about becoming that Jerk or Asshole that you all hated in highschool? You know, the one who objectified women or treated them like garbage.

Have any of you actually become that guy over time? And if so, is it hard to recognize if you do?

Is it possible to become a successful PUA and still maintain a kind heart?
and value the women you meet as people?

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I have been having the same thoughts....

And the answer I came up with for myself..... is....

I am going to learn what I can to get in the door..... If i have to be an ass to get her to let her guard down so the nice guy can come out and play the so be it.....

can i see this changing my perception of women.?... YES!!!
why do i have to play a guy to get noticed??? and why do they fall for these routines???

I think this is a question... you have to answer for yourself...but I am eager to see anyone else's opinion.......

I have noticed that I have become WAY too over-analytical... like to the point where I don't even perceive the world the same way I used to. It's like a whole new level of consciousness.

I'd rather know that a nice guy acting like a jerk is dating the girl rather than the jerk.

You can get the girl, keep a healthy relationship using PUA stuff and still be nice.

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And no I'm not positive, I'm definite.

Nothing about being a PUA tells people to be an jerk. That is a personal choice.

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I am neither a nice guy or a jerk. I wouldn't even call myself a pua. I am a man who happens to enjoy picking up chicks.

I am unabashedly masculine—I am purposeful, confident, and directed, living my chosen way of life with deep integrity and humor—and I am sensitive, spontaneous, and spiritually alive, with a heart-commitment to discovering and living my deepest truth.
I am totally turned on by women. I love to take woman sexually, to ravish them, but not in some old-style macho fashion. Rather, I want to ravish her with so much love that she is vanished, we both vanish, in the fullness of loving itself. I am dedicated to incarnating love on this earth, through my work and my sexuality, and I do so as a free man, bound neither by outer convention nor inner cowardice.
I am not a scared bully, posturing like some King Kong in charge of the universe. Nor am I a new age wimp, all spineless, smiley, and starry-eyed. I don't need to be right all the time, nor do I need to be always safe,' cooperative, and sharing, like an androgynous Mr. Nice Guy. I simply live from my deepest core, fearlessly giving my gifts, feeling through the fleeting moment into the openness of existence, totally committed to magnifying love.
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If you feel using PUA makes you into a jerk, then the blame still lies with women. This stuff would never have been developed if it weren't for the fact women have made it so difficult to approach and meet them. I personally feel as long as you are honest and are not deceiving women in any way, than you can in no way do them harm.
Remember the jerk cares about himself and will DO ANYTHING to get what he wants. If you keep her wants in mind and do not sacrifice your honesty or integrity to get laid, then you are on the right path.

Mystery devoloped his system because he loves women, not because he despises them.

With all due respect, I think you're confusing negging and IODs as being jerk-like. When the game is played correctly, these tools (and others) are used (very playfully and in a social manner) to break through phsycological barriers that women need to hold up to protect themselves.

Once these barriers are broken and there is mutual comfort, I can turn off game and just be myself with the girl, which is what I really want - for her to like me for me, not some character i've created.

Yes, this has changed the way I see the world. It's given me a map of at least how to allow women (or anyone in general) to get to know me.

You can. But sometimes, the worst things come from the best intentions.

The pickup arts are designed around pushing the primordial buttons in the female subconscious in order to provoke positive reactions from her, which you seize upon and propagate through the sarge with the intention of getting to know her (optional) and then bedding her. Thanks to millions of years of evolution, she often has no choice but feel the emotions that you seek to arouse within her. This is why the pick up arts work.

I won't get into the moral and philosophical ramifications of this (hey we all need to get laid right?), but it sure does sound like a lot of shit could go wrong doesn't it? I'm still trying to figure that part out, but the only guiding principle we PUA's have at this time is to "always leave her better than you found her".

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Yea becoming a PUA can change your life drastically, I remember I was at my cousins house once she had one of her friends over and we all watched some horror film and the friend kept talking to me and grabbing me and whatnot, obvious IOI's and it was like an instinct I kept a tally in my head and then thought ' phase shift'. Then I woke up to what I was doing.
I think once you travel from AFCland to the palace of PUA it doesnt change you for the worse it changes you for the better, you become more analytical and aware of your surroundings. These are all good things, unless you prefer wandering around in blissful ignorance, with no pussy even if your life deepended on it.

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