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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:52 pm 
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Hey, PUA dudes ;)

I've been browsing here for some time. And now I'll actually ask you straight forward for advice.

I guess you all know how important it is to the game and to your social life in general to have good mates, right? I mean guys that you hang out with constantly, everyday, call, talk, laugh, go to clubs and parties with and stuff like that.

Well.. I can't really say I have this type of thing in my life. And I really want to change that because it's causing me a lot of negative stuff. I think most of my insecurities, most of my stress, failures, lack of self-esteem and everything comes a big part from that.

Of course I do have some guys who I go out with from time to time... but I always feel like a 3rd wheel or whatever you want to call it. No one ever actaully bothers to call me and ask me out, so I feel like I'm intruding or something.

I can't say I'm a bad guy... I consider my one big flaw is to not be that funny. And I am pretty funny only when I'm in the zone... you know that moment when everything is great. I try to not complain, I'm trying to be cheerfull and smile most of the time... still everything is so shallow.

Enought build up and self-drama... PLEASE let me know what to read, what to see or whatever... how to start building more deep relationships with friends and have better friends.

I'm sorry the post got a bit longer, than I thought :)

Cheers, guys.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:24 am 
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First stop apologizing for stuff that doesn't deserve an apology. Change your attitude and end a post like this with "you guys are all welcome for the time I put into this."

Find exercises (I found a good one in double your dating) for building confidence and reprogramming your self perception. If you can alter your perception of yourself and truly believe you have value then everyone else will just agree with you. You got to get away from seeing your self value as something that is given to you by others. People are just mirrors that bounce back the self value that you project toward them.

Read up on alpha male characteristics and follow them religiously for a while.

As far as things you should do/not do in the field.

Open sets with the intention of making friends and you will make friends. Let these knew guy friends see you open a lot of female sets and you will have loyal guy friends who think you are the shit and wanna call you up all the time.

If you aren't funny then stop trying until you learn how to be funny. Nothing worse than the awkward guy who tries hard to be funny and only gets crickets. Play to your strengths.

Go do something awesome that you love!!! You will meet other people who love the same thing and you will develop friendships.



Put it all together and not only will you build a social circle but you will be the leader of that circle.

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Get a male oriented hobby that isn't dweeby. I recommend martial arts. Go learn how to kick some ass, or at least keep your ass from being kicked so easily. :D Be sure to drink beer after class with the guys. Most of my long term friends have come from the martial arts. It never got me laid, but it did get me some good friends.

In London at 17..18 I was a loner. An American transplant. I knew nothing of PUA back in the day, I went out by sheer brute force. I was usually unsuccessful. However, I came to have a knack for "borrowing some other group's social life" for the evening. I would often insert myself into a group of people I had just met. Sometimes a group of tourist girls. Sometimes underclass blokes from somewhere I didn't live. Sometimes Irish piled into a strange room. I may not have had a life, or many friends, but I did have a sense of adventure trying to figure it all out. It was disappointing the next day when nothing would be left of it. But it reminds me that I actually have opening skills, that I used long ago, just haven't used lately.

I went to a college that worked me way too hard. Cornell U. if you're looking for one to avoid. I wasn't all that socially ept, and they piled on so much work that I had no room to grow socially. In hindsight I think I should have gone to Brown. I probably would have had more fun, and the education wouldn't have been any worse.

In Chapel Hill, NC at 23..24 I worked out a lot and hit the gym constantly. I was alone, because I was in this strange "not in college, not working, not poor" place in my life. I was handed some money after college to do what I wanted with. I taught myself 3d computer graphics rather than going to grad school, but I made the mistake of living in too nice an apartment complex. I didn't fit in, nothing cool was happening there. I refused to take any kind of class or get involved with the university, because I wasn't a student, had recently got done being a student, and was jolly well sick of it. I didn't want to make male friends because I thought it was a waste of time compared to going directly after pussy. I ended up having some anyways, but they would just be at the bar, I wouldn't get them to go from bar to bar. Or they'd sit around at their place doing drugs after hours. I wouldn't, I wasn't into that, but I had a B.A. in Anthropology and all that "adventure surfing" mentality from my London days. I didn't want female friends, I wanted pussy. I knew the concept of "you can fuck her friends" but I did not want to apply it.

I was the working definition of "fake it till you make it," and I never made it. When I would go out, I would think in terms of, "How long can I keep this facade up, before my emotional state crumbles, and I can't be here anymore?" I thought of it as "Time To Die." Got about 2 hours on the emotional clock, then it's TTD. I would not go out earlier than 9:30 pm, because I knew if I went out too early, I'd be in a miserable state before anyone had really turned out. Better to turn out when everyone else did, like 10:30 pm or so. Then at least I could get in good 2 hours before my brain warped and I had to drag myself home. Sometimes good things would happen and I'd be ok that night. About once a month I'd actually take someone decent home. Shitloads of plowing for no result, that's what you get when you're AFC and you have no knowledge. Had a major unrequited love. Doesn't mean so much to me now, but for many years it made me think I'd never meet anyone that good again. After 1.5 years of AFC plowing I gave up and stopped trying anymore. Yeah I was doing the gym, yeah I would occasionally get laid, but the sheer amount of energy and emotional grief spent on it just wasn't worth it to me anymore.

I can still think of a particular girl at a party, that I wish I knew something about kino.

So that's 7 years of "WTF?" right there. What's the moral? Well, you gotta have a hobby. That involves other people. That isn't dweeby. You gotta fit with your surroundings. Don't price yourself out of it, don't resist what everyone else is doing. If you think a place sucks hard then you need to pack up and leave. Find somewhere that doesn't suck so hard, where you fit what others are doing.

Sometimes that's easier said than done. I'm 41 and I'm still figuring that one out. The older I've gotten though, the more I've said, "Well, other people's planned activities don't live up to my standards, so I will become the event planner." Usually that means I try to start some art group. Finances and moves have kept me from really getting that rolling though. I've tried that a few times though, so the next time I believe it will happen. Practice practice practice. I don't recommend trying to organize other people and "herd cats" right out the gate though. Find something to join, that's already got a pulse.


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Get a male oriented hobby that isn't dweeby. I recommend martial arts. Go learn how to kick some ass, or at least keep your ass from being kicked so easily. :D Be sure to drink beer after class with the guys. Most of my long term friends have come from the martial arts. It never got me laid, but it did get me some good friends.

In London at 17..18 I was a loner. An American transplant. I knew nothing of PUA back in the day, I went out by sheer brute force. I was usually unsuccessful. However, I came to have a knack for "borrowing some other group's social life" for the evening. I would often insert myself into a group of people I had just met. Sometimes a group of tourist girls. Sometimes underclass blokes from somewhere I didn't live. Sometimes Irish piled into a strange room. I may not have had a life, or many friends, but I did have a sense of adventure trying to figure it all out. It was disappointing the next day when nothing would be left of it. But it reminds me that I actually have opening skills, that I used long ago, just haven't used lately.

I went to a college that worked me way too hard. Cornell U. if you're looking for one to avoid. I wasn't all that socially ept, and they piled on so much work that I had no room to grow socially. In hindsight I think I should have gone to Brown. I probably would have had more fun, and the education wouldn't have been any worse.

In Chapel Hill, NC at 23..24 I worked out a lot and hit the gym constantly. I was alone, because I was in this strange "not in college, not working, not poor" place in my life. I was handed some money after college to do what I wanted with. I taught myself 3d computer graphics rather than going to grad school, but I made the mistake of living in too nice an apartment complex. I didn't fit in, nothing cool was happening there. I refused to take any kind of class or get involved with the university, because I wasn't a student, had recently got done being a student, and was jolly well sick of it. I didn't want to make male friends because I thought it was a waste of time compared to going directly after pussy. I ended up having some anyways, but they would just be at the bar, I wouldn't get them to go from bar to bar. I didn't want female friends, I wanted pussy. I knew the concept of "you can fuck her friends" but I did not want to apply it.

So that's 7 years of "WTF?" right there. What's the moral? Well, you gotta have a hobby. That involves other people. That isn't dweeby. You gotta fit with your surroundings. Don't price yourself out of it, don't resist what everyone else is doing. If you think a place sucks hard then you need to pack up and leave. Find somewhere that doesn't suck so hard, where you fit what others are doing.

Sometimes that's easier said than done. I'm 41 and I'm still figuring that one out. The older I've gotten though, the more I've said, "Well, other people's planned activities don't live up to my standards, so I will become the event planner." Usually that means I try to start some art group. Finances and moves have kept me from really getting that rolling though. I've tried that a few times though, so the next time I believe it will happen. Practice practice practice. I don't recommend trying to organize other people and "herd cats" right out the gate though. Find something to join, that's already got a pulse.
Chapel Hill Represent!

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Chapel Hill Represent!
You know I lived in Raleigh (just next door) for 1.5 years recently and never went back to Chapel Hill. I went back to CH once just before I moved to Raleigh, scouting it out, but not once I actually lived in Raleigh. I went to the old bar I used to hang out at (Linda's). I looked at all the carvings on the tables. I think I may have had one in there somewhere. I made friends with the bartender and went to another bar with him afterwards. Never came back. Part of it was "closing the book," part of it is Raleigh has it's own bars.

I heard CH had some insane male:female ratio in the incoming freshman class that year. Like 1:3 !!! What an opportunity, but I felt I was a little too old to hit that. Not that I couldn't hit it, but that college age women are not what I want. I felt that way about NCSU students. Those hotties jogged around Lake Johnson every day I was there, but I couldn't be bothered. Still feel that way about Wake Forest and Salem College gals in Winston-Salem. Pity.


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As said already new hobbies present huge opportunities to expand your social circle and be genuinely interested in other people and listen more than you speak,maybe theres a local 'lair' or frat to post for a wing or go along to a meetup but eventually youll find dudes at the same stage of life with game and remember to always be humble and a good dude even if some of the RAFC wings you meet have not quite got things together some will many will complain to hide their own game insecurities or take things too personal and game too serious.


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Chapel Hill Represent!
You know I lived in Raleigh (just next door) for 1.5 years recently and never went back to Chapel Hill. I went back to CH once just before I moved to Raleigh, scouting it out, but not once I actually lived in Raleigh. I went to the old bar I used to hang out at (Linda's). I looked at all the carvings on the tables. I think I may have had one in there somewhere. I made friends with the bartender and went to another bar with him afterwards. Never came back. Part of it was "closing the book," part of it is Raleigh has it's own bars.

I heard CH had some insane male:female ratio in the incoming freshman class that year. Like 1:3 !!! What an opportunity, but I felt I was a little too old to hit that. Not that I couldn't hit it, but that college age women are not what I want. I felt that way about NCSU students. Those hotties jogged around Lake Johnson every day I was there, but I couldn't be bothered. Still feel that way about Wake Forest and Salem College gals in Winston-Salem. Pity.
yea chapel hill really isn't the best for my age PU. I tend to head out of town a lot. Linda's is kind of a dead zone now but there are a few places i haunt. Was there a cute Asian girl named Angela that worked at Lindas when you were around? Anyway, it's good to know there are at least a few other PUAs in the area.

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As said already new hobbies present huge opportunities to expand your social circle and be genuinely interested in other people and listen more than you speak,maybe theres a local 'lair' or frat to post for a wing or go along to a meetup but eventually youll find dudes at the same stage of life with game and remember to always be humble and a good dude even if some of the RAFC wings you meet have not quite got things together some will many will complain to hide their own game insecurities or take things too personal and game too serious.
This is all awesome advice. But I will add that game is SERIOUS. It's not just about picking up chicks. It's about positioning yourself to be able to take advantage of all the opportunity life has to offer. In just this one post it is illustrated. This game led you to question a more serious problem regarding friendship and got you actively solving the problem. This game will show you many more of these "holes" in your life. These are just few "holes" that this game has shown me and thereby helped me fix.

My self worth
My self awareness
My social value
My success in business
My personal relationships
The way I treat others
My leadership
My attitude
and most importantly
My Potential

This game is deadly serious.

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Thanks a lot for the replies, guys. The tips are great.

@Jits138, Thanks man you are of great help. I'll try to be less of a pussy in general ;) Could you please tell me about that exercise from David D? I've probably gone through it but never made a commitment or something. And also how in the world could I learn to be more funny? :)

@bvanevery, thanks dude. Love the honesty in your story. I think it's great that there are guys like you who are ready to share their life wisdom with us. I'm actually gonna start boxing now, for a hobby. Since I've tried about 5-6 other sports :)
And I'm happy my post got thogether two Chapel Hill mates :))

@AFCmack, I get that about new hobbies, and it does make a lot of sense, thanks.
I've never actually understood the "be genuinely interested in other people" thing, though. I've seen it and heard it hundreds of times. But still don't get it... How? By asking questions? Listening more?
I do like people, but I run out of questions even for the people I admire. If you got that term sorted out, I'd be thankful if you could explain it to me ;)

@Jits138, Yea man... I don't even think right now about chicks. Because I know it'll be a lot easier when I have my friendships and everything sorted out. I don't think THE GAME is about pickup lines, or just banging everything that moves either. So thanks for that. respect ;)

Cheers.


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After reading your post it pretty much sums up what is going on in my life as well. I have friends but they are not the type of people who I would call REAL friends. It is so frustrating because although you may have the ability to go out and game yourself there is no better feeling than having a wing man who is on the same level as you and is also your best friend in the sense you enjoy hanging out together and are almost like brothers. It's been long since ive had a group of friends like that, since we all went on to Uni and moved away etc we have all drifted away and unfortunately I havent met a group of people who meet that criteria.

I'd like advice on this too?


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Thanks a lot for the replies, guys. The tips are great.

@Jits138, Thanks man you are of great help. I'll try to be less of a pussy in general ;) Could you please tell me about that exercise from David D? I've probably gone through it but never made a commitment or something. And also how in the world could I learn to be more funny? :)

@bvanevery, thanks dude. Love the honesty in your story. I think it's great that there are guys like you who are ready to share their life wisdom with us. I'm actually gonna start boxing now, for a hobby. Since I've tried about 5-6 other sports :)
And I'm happy my post got thogether two Chapel Hill mates :))

@AFCmack, I get that about new hobbies, and it does make a lot of sense, thanks.
I've never actually understood the "be genuinely interested in other people" thing, though. I've seen it and heard it hundreds of times. But still don't get it... How? By asking questions? Listening more?
I do like people, but I run out of questions even for the people I admire. If you got that term sorted out, I'd be thankful if you could explain it to me ;)

@Jits138, Yea man... I don't even think right now about chicks. Because I know it'll be a lot easier when I have my friendships and everything sorted out. I don't think THE GAME is about pickup lines, or just banging everything that moves either. So thanks for that. respect ;)

Cheers.
He said to write each of the negative things you say about yourself down. So "I am ugly" I am boring" etc. Then write down 3 positive alternatives for each. Then you have to actively reprogram yourself to replace the negative with the positive. He gets much deeper into this and I don't want you to lose the meaning in a game of "telephone".

For being funny I also am going to go with DD on this. Get the book writing comedy. It breaks into the science of humor and not only shows how you can "learn" to be funny but also how to do it. It is my belief that all personality traits are simply learned skills for effectively socializing. You can be born without natural ability but not learning stuff is just being lazy... or I guess you could be born without the ability to learn... that would blow.

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