Hey guys,is it me or what?But the more I dwell on a target,the more I fail with her eventually.
This' a mind-boggling puzzle to for years now.I'd meet an HB(even online),then a day or 2 after,I'd notice myself playing out scenarios of success in my mind:from kissing the girl to F closing her.
Seems to be a good way of ensuring victory(an F close)via playing out mentally how the seduction will occur before you even called the chicc(lol).
Some religious gurus even master PUAs have a philosophy that what you think-you'd become.Thus,if you envision yourself with the hottest girl in town laying in your bed-it'll materialize.
I hear that!
But why when I do that;envision myself with an HB I'd met days earlier,I never ever lay her!!!For years that've puzzled me!!I'd meet an HB today via grade A seduction,#close,chat 1-2 time.Then by the 2nd.-3rd. day,I see myself and picture myself fucking this HB like a roccstar!!But it never happens.Some how,fate fizzles it out(crash & burn).
Now the irony is:The chicks whom I'd sarged then #closed,but rarely ever think about or dwell on,I happen to lay them!They're just as hot as the ones I dont lay(who I think about)but its just that I dont envision myself fucking them.But fate has it that I do end up laying them.
So the moral is,the more you think about a specific sarge or girl,higher the chances of losing her.
The least you think about a specific sarge or girl,greater the chances of getting her.
Maybe it only happens to me(lol).I dont know.

Ya just yesterday I felt real good on number closing a HB8 light skin girl in college, and to be honest I didn't sleep too well because I was picturing myself banging her. She had a huge pair of tits, a banging ass, but the face was just decent. Her attitude is of a solid chick, smart and funny.

In the past when I thought about a girl too much, I ended up liking them way more than I should, I imagined them being my girlfriend, and how wonderful our lives would be together and would act totally AFC by not taking ANY RISKS to ruin my great feeling. I think this can be the same for imagining having HOTT SEX with a GIRL, because it still brings up similar emotions. Probably don't notice that you act differently then you would with a girl you paid no attention to. The girls I never paid attention to I would lay, because I really DIDN'T CARE what would happen if I LOST THEM. I had no connection with these girls other than physical. The girls I thought were sexy and interesting genuinely I probably subconsciously TAKE LESS RISKS with.

Maybe its because of not wanting to lose them? The girls you don't give a damn about losing you escalate sexually like crazy, and don't give a damn.


So today I'm going to head to the club and approach and close only girls that are HB9+, i'm still going to open HB8's but I'll friend them tonight.

Great insight Mississagua RAFC.

At least I know now Im not crazy for realizing that puzzle(lol).

We've practically been in similar situations.

On another note,I used to live in NYC and once in a while,I'd pass through Buffalo area and I used to see Miississagua signs on the highway.Is it the same Miss' you're from?

Anyway,do your thing at the club like a real social guy would!!

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It is bad Karma

You right Inthazone.That's exactly the point I was trying to make-bad karma.

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What helps me out with this is that I make sure to acknowledge that when I imagine myself with a particular girl, it's NOT that girl I am actually imagining myself with- it's the person I hope that girl turns out to be. Essentially, it is a projection of my own desires from any female slapped onto a particular girl's face. I'm not imagining myself with her, I'm imagining myself with who I want her to be. If you've only known a girl for a few days or weeks, you really don't have much of a grasp on who she is so the girl you're REALLY thinking about is mostly a construction of your own psyche. Jung called a related phenomenon "Anima Projection."

What I do to combat the situation is to take even more risks, to play the girl even more aggressively and use techniques that I haven't tried or that might be too much. If she really is anything like the girl I envision in my head at 2:00AM, then she wouldn't get bent out of shape about my riskier moves/lose attraction because of them. If it doesn't work out, it's okay because it was never HER I was really thinking about anyway, just my idea of her.

Good psych your mind advice Spairert;thinking about another chic.

I guess its like mental ONE-it is.

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Doesn't this seem very contradictive?

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That's my point AFC Oldman,the innate contradiction.

Ppl would say that what you think will eventually come through.

Perhaps in some cases.

But that doesn't apply to this aspect of pick-up. Its actually the opposite. The more you think of laying some girl,the least the chances you will as you begin to chase her too much and start pedestaling her and feeling one-it is.

The least you think about her,and not chase her,the more the chances of laying her.

From my experiences,that's true .Isn't that right?

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Yes, that's true, my most successful pickups were the ones I put the least amount of effort in. Also I wasn't even out to GAME anyone, I was just out for fun, woman were extra's.... ever since I saw this I started to not obsess so much on pickup, but more on being the social guy. Less pressure, less fear, more fun, more success.

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At least we're now on the same page AFC Oldman.

You made a great point about being a social guy.

I hate when newbies to pick-up post shit about wanting to screw as much girls a possible. The magic pill effect where they think if they only knew 2 magic openers(lol).

I was like that but now Im more focused on social mastery opposed to going on with a horny look on my face trying to get some.

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We dont loveee themm hos. Fuckeemmm, and leavemm, I donttt needemm

Yeah, that's how we all start, but we quickly realise it's not that easy. If it was then pickup and sex would be way too boring, because it's so damn easy. We wouldn't be able to strife or long for it. If it was too easy it would be like eating your cereal in the morning, you don't even think about it, it's no big deal, it's boring... luckily that's not the case.

After a while we realise that it's not what you say, but how you say it, because this is the language of the inner thoughts. Do you feel the need to impress a woman? It'll show in your non-verbals... Do you fear this woman, because you don't want to piss her off, so that she doesn't like you? It'll show in your non-verbals....

This whole pickup thing is all inner-game, the banter lines, the routines, they're all good, because they come from a guy that has solid inner-game and that's what he desires and wants, but if you lack the inner-game to back it up, it'll show...


So back to your original post; what you're saying is true, the more you focus on trying to 'get' with this woman, and impress her, try not to piss her off, etc... it'll show in your non-verbals, and maybe even unconsciously in your verbals.

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Great insight AFC Oldman.

We definitely on the same page.

Wanting to make a pick-up go smooth by kissng the girls ass is not the way to go.

It kills me when guys are scared to offend,or when they think that to neg a target would be offensive.

That goes bacc to my original point about pedestaling the girl is counterproductive.

I have more success with girls whom I'd irritated even to anger than girls I played it totally safe with(in my AFC days).

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