Hey guys,

I have been reading DiAngelo's funny&cocky material and he suggests never to smile too much at women as this reduces sexual tension, he brings up the example of James Bond, etc who almost never smiles. But in other places, it is suggested that you should always smile when talking to women. DiAngelo suggests to always stay in "character" and that is what makes the funny and cocky work. My question is: is smiling dependent on the style you are adopting? When is it okay to smile and when should you keep a straight face for keeping the sexual tension?

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smiling is somewhat style dependent yes. But as a general rule AFC's smile to show supplication and seek approval, whether they realize it or not. Almost ALL AFC's do this, I certainly did. By not supplicating and not smiling incessantly you come off as normally higher value then "ready with a quick smile guy". Now this doesnt mean never smile, but what it does mean is that most smiley guys are AFC's and its a habit you should break, and then you can rebuild it as you know what your doing.

As a note this is also true of laughing for the same reasons

As another note ive realized, guys get false indicators by smiling, a girl always responds positively to smiles but rarely is the positive response a sexually enhancing one. Rather its a "safe" response, meaning she pigeonholed you as "a nice, safe guy." You dont want to be perceived as nice or safe when you first game a woman.

Thanks for the reply detox. That is true about supplication and seeking approval with AFCs. An alpha male doesn't care what anyone thinks of him, so he doesn't smile. He is just cool. But I am still a beginner to the game and my first goal is to kill AA, as I have a lot of that. So it makes sense to smile and just be the friendly guy and talk to anyone I see, right? Later on when I am confident that I can approach anyone, I could stop smiling and become funny-cocky. What do you think?

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I think you are on the right path and im glad you have studied some PUA material so you took the time to have a foundation for improving.

My one piece of good advice in lieu of what you are doing, and I think you have a good game-plan, is to substitute a James bond, or Bruce Willis, or (insert your favorite PUA here) smile, instead of the nice guy comforting/approving/supplicating smile you may have in mind. So you can appear friendly but DHV, so rather then not smile at all , you can make sure your rakeish/cadish/sly smile says all the right things about you (i.e confident, attractive, and high value).

Depending on your physical appearance, smiling is a must. If you're 6'5" 250 lbs, you need to smile or girls will simply be afraid of you.

On some bad nights I've actually had people comment "why do you never smile?" and recently had a guy turn and stop as I was walking by and say "jeez man, smile! you look like you wanna kill someone." I put my fingers up to my mouth and pushed my lips to force a smile at him.

If a girl comments on it, I take it as an indicator of interest. I actually smile as much as anyone else, but not for no reason. If a girl comments, then I know she's been checking me out.

When approaching a girl I'm really interested in, I can't help but crack a smile thinking about what I want to do with her, but I'm not flashing smiles at fat chicks.

AFCs smile submissively. Confidence is the key. When you smile and put your head down or slouch, or go pigeon toed.

I'm also always freaking laughing. I like to have fun it is what I bring to any environment is a fun entertaining SPAM. If I'm not laughing people ask what is wrong.

It isn't in your smile or your laughing. It is in your shoulders, stance, how you hold your head, and your posture. Most AFCs smile and laugh, then look down.

I'm sorry but I completely disagree laughing and smiling is wrong. It is when you aren't actually laughing or aren't actually smiling. Then your body language is in-congruent and it is obvious you lack confidence. It is all about being who you are and not being afraid to be that person.

If you came across me in a bar, you wouldn't say oh he is laughing and smiling, he is submissive. I own the SPAM I am in, I create attraction very quickly. Yesterday I went to my friends spot, while I was waiting for her to come down and grab me, I was stuck with another girl waiting for her guy to let her in. I smiled, laughed, and joked my way to attraction. By the time I left the elevator she let out the looooong "byyyyyyyeeee, nice meeting you!" Preening, smiling, laughing, eye contact, and turned head, she showed attraction in lots of ways but that was one of the small clusters.

Of course a smile can be a false indicator, body language isn't about one sign such is eye contact, it's about the other things she is doing. Making eye contact, then moving her hair, then looking down. That is a cluster, a submissive signal with eye contact and she preened. Don't ever base attraction off one signal. It is a huge mistake.

Note: I have experimented with contempt, a smirk, kind of a half smile. It works very well, especially with a cocky funny attitude. Be careful not to abuse this it can come across negatively. Use it selectively at the right moments in a flirtatious way. So you give them half a smile but it kind of comes off as you are better then them, it immediately pushes attraction in your favor. You show that you are better then them and tipping the attraction balance in your favor, he who cares least about the attraction owns the interaction. The other person is putting on a show to gain attraction and meet their approval, becoming recognized as a suitable sexual mate.

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Thanks man, I appreciate your advice. I am an engineer, so I like to attack a problem methodically and step by step. So as long as the smile is not meant as means of seeking approval, a smile should be good, right? The way I see it though, everything comes from the inner game. It's how you feel inside that dictates how you behave outside. If you believe you are the Alpha male and the best thing that will ever happen to her or any other girl for that matter, you will automatically behave in a way that DHV. So then you are not really concerned about how you laugh, or how you act, or whatever.

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what if you are are 6'1 and 220? i never thought about this. i dont feel really big. is that big? are girls afraid of me?

first of all poeticlyskuac I said as general rule to AFC's specifically. Im trying to help AFC's and new guys not provide the model of the perfect PUA. Of course most PUA's know how to make smiling and laughing work for them, but the AFCs need to be taught in a methodical, process based way, which almost always means the reduction in supplicating behavior. Please understand the context before you go around calling bullshit on stuff I didn't say.

Prince, I have a degree in engineering as well thus I like a process based approach as well. I can tell you are an intelligent guy and listening, so the concepts will come easy for you, they hard part is the practice and implementation so stay diligent. As Engineers we tend to work from a logical perspective which is anathema to PUA as our underlying model is flawed. Keep reading DeAngelo's stuff, he is super perspective.

Sorry I misunderstood "As a general rule", "your smile lowers your value", the tone seemed to bring down smiling, the only attractive body language we can add to our face.

I've noticed for consistent attraction that smiling is a must in building attraction and appearing attractive. From what I've learned my beliefs are "AFC" has NOTHING to do with the smile, it is the body language with it that makes you appear "AFC." "AFCs" aren't confident in their smile. That is the difference I've noticed, a lack of congruency.

I've been going over what I changed to become a guy that doesn't get friend zoned. It's pretty simple, escalate and show confidence. Don't just appear to be an attractive person, appear to be a sexually attractive person. There really is a huge difference between the two. My thoughts are a small percentage of the population is successful with women, that same percentage applies to "smiley guys."

Someone who is comfortable enough to laugh and have fun is contagious and often becomes the most attractive person in the area. From what I have observed it is when you aren't confident in being yourself(smiling and laughing) that you look submissive and "AFC." Just my thoughts.

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Kinda just repeating everyone else, but i feel like in general smiling is a great thing to do. Just dont do it in an approval seeking/submissive way. Do it in a cocky confident way and your good. James Bond smiled a lot more than most people think but 99% of the time it was more of a cocky smirk than a big goofy grin.

One thing that I think is extremely important to recognize is what your generic "non smiling" face is. For some people, like myself for the longest time, i had a kinda sad/angry face when I wasnt specifically showing an emotion. It wasnt bad enough that people thought of me as a serial killer, but it was enough to turn some people who didnt know me from wanting to interact with me. So now I try to have a slight smile some of the time just to keep me from slipping back in to my old habits.