this is very good. i have read it twice.

Keep up the insightful posts, im sure they are of an immense benefit to most of us.

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Thanks for dropping all this knowledge poetic
It's greatly appreciated
YAY vote for you building a blog
stay well

Thanks for the love guys. I appreciate that. Check out my blog by clicking on the web button. I don't know what I need to do, but I have to change the style of it a little. I think there was far to much story and not nearly enough body language for the length of this blog. I kind of went over the whole failed courtship moment I had rather than just the body language.

Let me know how I should change my blog.

Let me know if you have any question and I will give you the answer if I know the answer.

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Touch

During courtship we must focus on some specific spots to let the women know that we are interested in them sexually. Location, Location, Location as they say. You need to not only know where to touch but when to touch.

When we first meet a girl obviously grabbing their ass is not always acceptable, here there you can and it is no big deal. When you touch them they need to be very comfortable with you, getting road blocks before the freeway is never good. You should slowly elevate your touch, start with the bicep or upper arm, as well as the upper shoulder. This is a nice way to gain their comfort while you guys are touching. Shoulder to shoulder is also a common way to start touch, I bump shoulders with girls all the time flirting with them.

Once they are comfortable with general contact look to gain even more contact. Wrapping their arm around yours when you go to escalate is a common tool used by a pick up artist. Putting your hand on their lower back and controlling them can turn on women as well, they tend to appreciate a man that can control her confidently. Putting your arm around to their opposite hip is also a common way to get them very close to you.

Generally you want to have your hand touching their lower back, hip, inner arm, and neck for a good steady escalation in touch. Obviously shaking hands is a good way to get started. However some girls do not like to hold hands because they feel it is far to intimate early on, they will have sex with you but not hold your hand? They need to know that your intentions are sexual and where you touch them will give them the message. You will also find out in a hurry if there is anything plausible now or if you need to gain more comfort before escalating.

Writing less, so I can get info up here more often....

More later.....

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Elevation

Elevation is something that most of us hesitate on, we tend to hesitate about what we think we should do. This is the problem, courtship is instinct at a certain point you guys need to as Nike says "Just Do It". Mungo had a great post on his FR and in there he mentioned of how he just did it.

Early on when you are nervous about touch you think to much. That is not not what we should be doing. Thinking is not part of this. You need to elevate, don't think should I put my arm on her waste, if you are far enough into courtship than just do it. I have already written enough about comfort that you should know that it is ok to close the space and and start with some heavy Kino.

The reality is once they are comfortable and showing signs of attraction you should be closing the space, you should be adding touch. You should have your arm around their shoulder at the very least.

Every once in a while you don't have to start touch at all, they do it for you. In my blog about a my buddies birthday, I initiated nothing. I didn't ask to sit down, didn't introduce myself, didn't do anything. She reached out for me.

Most girls will let you know when they are ready for elevation their body language will definitely let you know. Most of the time you should just elevate to see how far along you are if there is already a strong attraction present(you guys can figure that out now hopefully). The 2 steps forward 1 step back is a great tactic when it comes to body language if you are nervous, touch them for a moment and back off for a reaction. The reality is you should be just doing it though, when you reach over to touch make sure you do it confidently, do not make it an awkward weird touch. Just make it natural a hey type of touch.

Most of us think far to much and that is something that should be remedied. Reaction is better than thinking. Ok this girl likes you now what? ELEVATE. Start with neutral points(arm, shoulder, upper back), move to sexual points(waste, ribs, lower back, legs), this should create sexual a serious amount of sexual tension. From there you should know it is time to make strong eye contact for a little bit of time for an intimate moment and than go for the kiss. You will know that it is time for the kiss, your bodies will get closer, strong eye contact, and go for it.

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Poetic I have another question on a video I just watched on stealth day game by gambler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlEGzhOi4OQ

At 2:58 he mentions "By doing that You get these girls that walk with there head down that you just can't get to look at you that's how you do it"

Is he saying you want the girls to look down and then you can approach? I don't understand what he is trying to say

Gambler is having you be the confident one. A girl that is submitting before you is far easier to approach than a girl that is looking past you as if you are nothing. It is far easier to talk to someone who is submissive or non-threatening than someone who is looking down their nose at you(head pointed snobbishly up). Someone who you are in fact intimidated by. You are the one with the upper hand because you are not intimidated by her. She in fact is intimidated by you, this makes an approach easier because she is harmless she already showed that.

He is having these girls be submissive. He instantly comes in at a higher than them value because his body language has made her submit before him. A girl ends up sending you submissive signals(looking down submissively) when you do make eye contact if she is attracted to you. Submissive signals are a good thing they see you as high value and submit before you so to speak. We associate high value with attraction(a good mate is always of high value).

It is very clever, psychologically it is spot on. In courtship you end up submitting before the other at some point to show non-threatening(harmless) body language. This women submitted to you and that is a good thing, think about how much I have mentioned submissive signals and that should show how important that it is.

Never really thought as much about forcing a submissive look but should work rewardingly. My style is to be able to make eye contact, it brings intimacy(a connection) about quicker for me. We all have our different styles, Gambler is well known because he knows what he is doing. I am not Gambler and he blows me out of the water, so his advice is very sound. I would definitely listen to him, I am not nearly as good with women as this gentlemen so he would be the far better mentor. I follow more of a natural courtship process while he is a actual pick up artist.

I want submissive signals but it is like an eye game for me, you are trying to catch her looking at you. Almost peak a boo, you are looking at each other. In one of the books she mentions how you can lean to look over and make eye contact than back out so they can't see you, it is a peak a boo game. This is a form of flirting without actually talking to her. Very good tactic that doesn't get used all that often.

I would listen to Gambler he knows what he is doing. He picks which ever girl he wants I roll with things a lot more.

Should be mentioned: He made another great point about how a guy that is doing somethings(talking on the phone, reading, listening to music, etc.) is less threatening. It is easier to sit next to a guy reading a news paper minding his own than some guy looking around at all times and than you are wondering what he is thinking of. I think this is a great non-threatening body language signal that I didn't mention. Girls are far more comfortable sitting next to a guy that is consumed with other things.

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Crass was that the answer you were looking for?

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I think so. I am just confused because he mentions that the good thing that will happen is that she will look back at your playful response. So I'm confused and might think the looking down is the bad thing that will happen? You seem correct though.

I interpreted him a bit differently. The way I understood him, he said that this is the way to approach those girls that you can usually not get a good eye contact with, because they are looking down.

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Kick ass stuff Poetic! Keep it up

I have always had a good BL but on many occasions I literally sucked at "deciphering" the approach invitations from HBs.....So many "slipped away"

One of the most usefull readings since i started 4 months ago....

very good read

Couldn't agree more but as a newbie I was very rigid and stiff and found that employing a few tips I read helped me to loosen up and feel more alpha. Eventually it just kinda sets in and your not really aware of it, e.g when im out of state, I just think to myself "be alpha" and everything ive studied (body language, voice tonality, cocky funny, eye contact) just all gets switched on together.

This post will definitely benefit newcomers.

Well early on he was talking about how you want to do something that is different than most guys to catch a beautiful women's attention. I actually thought he was talking about beautiful girls that were snobbish initially. I believe your interpretation was right though in that it was directed at girl who don't make good eye contact.

A girl who normally walks with her head down(shy girl) will be much more likely to look at a guy who isn't completely facing her and than creates a motion to grab her attention. So she looks over at you and you make direct eye contact with her. Again the girl will submit and you have an IOI as he said. A signal to make the approach.

My Breakdown Either Way:

He has you move to create attention(recognition the first phase of courtship, animals commonly dance to get the attention of a mate).

He has you be non-threatening as well as different by not facing or looking at her completely.

Than he makes eye contact out of the corner of his eyes with a smiling or a playful expression where she interacts(second phase of courtship) with him by returning eye contact and a playful expression.

At this point she has reciprocated his behavior as most human beings do.

She also practiced isopraxism a common way to build rapport is creating a likeness attraction.

Than she submits by looking down, a natural part of courtship.

This tactic should work with most women(shy or confident). It really doesn't matter as the trick is the movement to catch actual attention any type of women should move her eyes to movement. Generally as humans our eyes naturally look toward the thing that is moving most.

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Yeah she will look back at your playful response and reciprocate, as humans we naturally do this. Looking down is an IOI, it is a sign that they are submitting before you, looking up and away or above you per se is a negative.

Looking down to me isn't a bad thing, it is his IOI. To me it is a positive signal. I use to believe the opposite but now I understand that looking down is a submissive trait that is a natural part of courtship. It is something we do when we are intimidated by a girls looks quite often. Girls react the same as you most of the time. Our emotions may be way off par from women but our reactions in courtship are very similar. We show submissive behavior when we are intimidated by a girl.

Think about how many times you have seen a girl you thought was attractive and looked down? Same thing when an attractive girl sees you and she is intimidated by your attraction she will look down submissively. It is instinct.

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