Probably the biggest lot of shit I've read since first hitting this forum.

On your first point.
1. Being different does not mean being entirely different. It's very easy to have your own flavor and simply use these images as building blocks for your own style.
2. If you go out and dress in entirely out of fashion, uninformed style, you will alienate the bulk of highclass society, and exclude yourself from the best nightclubs in the process.

On your second, even more insane point.
1. Models and actresses and other high class girls are used to being around well dressed people, if you want to stand out the best way isn't by dressing in some dumb shit you think is you setting a trend, it's by dressing better than everyone else and adding your own slight variations on contemporary fashion.
2. Girls don't think all well dressed guys are homosexuals, and even if they did at first, the second the catch you looking at their boobs they'll think otherwise.
3. You won't be in the loop without good clothes. Cos you won't be getting into any fashion shows, high end nightclubs, cast parties or any other event that has the best women in town. You'll be out the front begging the bouncer to let you in, and trying to pick up girls out front.

Good luck with that.

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Being different doesn't mean entirely different? I know that but dressing with this fashion is something not everyone can do or should do. Some of us refuse to, to me it is completely magazine, I refuse to roll with the mainstream style of cool. I cling to my individuality, does it have off shoots? Yup, I am a hip hop kid, that loves ska, classic rock, and punk, all four elements are seen in my style. Plus I wear an Aztec calendar(for culture) every where I go. I am very specific on what I choose to wear when I go out but that doesn't mean I look to be someone else or that I look bad. Nothing I where is outlandish, merely different.

Building block for your OWN style on someone else? Really? Seriously? You are going to build your style on someone else's? That is a lack of individuality at it's finest. I see a lot of men that are denied because of clothing like the stuff posted. The girls I would like to date, not just nail and bail, are all girls that believe that style is lame. I don't like materialistic girls. These girls consistently diss on someone who requires those type of clothes to feel cool. I do prefer girls that are naturally attractive and not girls that require make up and skin reveal clothing(distracting my eyes from their face) to look good. These girls don't need to dress up so they don't. Screw coyote ugly is all I am saying.

Dude I have picked up on models at my pool in 40 dollar board shorts, and I am fat. It is not like I am some stud. If your game is based on your fashion I think you need some more help with your inner game. I will wear some bright colored shorts when I go out or since it summer here daily. Colored but tame shirts most of the time I roll with a button up. I have picked up girls in a plain shorts and a bowling shirt. You seem to be all about being someone else which is fine, but my style is me, it is who I choose to be. I do not wear anything ridiculously outrageous, just stuff that allows me to stand out and be me.

Trend setting is something that people do. Trend following is what famous fashionable people do, they follow trend setters. This isn't a fictional concept. Go read the book The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell great book, explains it well. LOL I am not saying to go out and wear this out of line bright colored outfit. I said to dress with style. I don't think that this fashion is good for everyone. I certainly don't see myself or any of my friends sporting that stuff.

High class girls? LOL I have walked into the Venetian(LV,NV) wearing my "Poor Man's Style" and got seriously eye raped by some Classy women. The older guys were giving me dirty looks because these women were looking at me. I have went to a horse track and seen women with 100k wedding rings eye me. Your insight on my style means nothing. My point was this shtuff doesn't work for everyone. Sorry if I offended you, but I am going off of my personal experiences. I don't see how my fashion sense offends you so much, aren't you completely confident in your style?

I know that it isn't a sign everyone is homosexual, I actually go to the gay club a nice spot to pick up some super fly Fruit Flies, and most of the time they are dressed similar. Gay men love boobs, they always grab them, so just because you are staring at them doesn't make you straight. I see a lot of guys that dress like that get passed over because of their style. This is where I live doesn't mean it is the same where you live. In my particular geographic area, it is considered pretty lame to roll with that style, you are classified as a tool or douche bag instantly.

How do you know I am not the guys hosting the party? LOL out front begging to get in? That isn't me nor will it ever be. I strive to be unique is what I said. That doesn't mean I dress trashy and can't get into places. You seem to think my life evolves around pick up and that I would be trying to pick up these girls. My life is not pick up, I have learned a lot about the tool sets and they have helped me immensely in life. I am very choosy on who I choose to hang out with I have a long list of friends and people know it is hard to hang out with me. These people uppity would be lucky to have my company.

Your assumption is that the best women in town are only at these parties, my assumption is that they are everywhere. The best women, what a statement man. That is pretty outstanding. Women don't just come out for these parties and nothing else. They are always out and about, you don't have to get in the party to get them.

Dressing with individuality doesn't mean that I dress trashy it simply means I dress different. I think all those pants with holes look trashy. I think a raggedy looking shirt is trashy. I think uneven hair looks trashy. These are all my opinions, I don't think any of that looks classy, but apparently only classy people wear that stuff, oh wait I see poor people wearing it all the time, they must be classy.

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poeticlyskuac, when you critique THAT style from the pictures what style exactly do you critique? I mean I agree there are some ridiculous examples here, but also there are some basic samples like this one:
http://www.thesartorialist.com/photos/9089adidasWeb.jpg (although shoes ruins much of the nice look here)
Its just basic look, not too bad, just average. And definitely not gay
Or this photo http://i44.tinypic.com/riuhbb.jpg - definitely not overdressed or gay, more of a redneck look
So like I said its not clear which style do you critique here as there are some very different things posted in the thread

And when you say you dress in simple style, can you give us some links/photos of similar style that you advocate?

look man, I run clubs. That's my primary income. And I'm telling you, if my bouncers let in someone dressed in shorts and a bowling shirt, and that guy wasn't famous, they'd be fired. We've actually had to fire a few guys over the last few years for letting in their mates that weren't up to standard.

I don't love the system, but that is the system.

And sorry mate, but a girl can tell I'm not gay, the only people that ever ask if I'm gay are guys that are dressed badly.

On your trend-setter thing. Yes, they do exist, however most of them live a life as an eccentric and trend setter in every element of their lives.

On your point about the model at the pool, great, I'm sure most people here have a story about a time they picked up a girl in shit clothes, I do, I picked up a girl going to get milk at 7 in the morning in a loose tshirt and tracksuit pants. But that doesn't mean I'm going to say, "Oh well, I picked up once like that, now I can pick up always like this" and I don't want to. I like being perceived by people, both male and female as Intelligent, Educated, Attractive and Successful. And I am, and my clothes are a big part of that.

Lastly, to assume that attractive women that care about clothing are shallow, and that the women that don't aren't is naive and foolish. Many(Not All) of the girls that rip on the fashionistas and catwalk models were, or are, unattractive and can't get over the fact that the girls with the best clothes in highschool were the hot ones, and they weren't. And the girls that could wear great clothes and pull them off were thin. And the guys that wore great clothes were popular, attractive etc, and weren't every very nice to them, as they were ugly.

I'm certainly not saying that clothes are the be all, and end all, far from it. But to leave anything out of your game plan is foolish. It's like playing football and saying, I've got a great backline, so I don't need forwards.

Clothes are the first thing people see, make em sharp.

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The fact that your run clubs is solid man. I don't normally go out without buttons ups. I only really wear shorts during the summer. It gets hot in Utah and I prefer shorts during the summer.

That is smooth that a girl can tell your sexuality. Every gay guy I have ever met has or would have sex with a girl(if she was fly enough) that is why I said that. I aim to define my sexuality with no questionable thoughts. Some guys just can not pull off that style and not look gay.

Most trend setters do not live an eccentric life. They don't I promise, those of us who start styles are normally people who know a lot of people. We happen to have something and they follow. Eccentric people buy expensive stuff, that is why I know they are not trend setters. Trend setters are folks who have very little and so they change what they have to be unique. They look for individuality with what little they have. Hush Puppies making a come back(as illustrated in The Tipping Point) is a great example they were ugly shoes and their selling point was they were cheap. You seem to think someone fashionable and someone original are the same, they are not, they choose their fashion to fit in with other people. Trend setters choose their style to not fit in with people, to show individuality.

My point about the pool is it is my demeanor that works for me not my fashion sense. I never said I don't dress well, I was making a point. When I go out I prefer to wear button ups as said. I prefer nice pants during the winter. Just because I don't bow down to your concept of well dressed doesn't mean I don't dress well. I have my style and it isn't for everyone. Not many people could roll with the style I do. I have never been excluded for how I dress (Utah doesn't have premium clubs), but when I go out in Vegas or Cali I still have my style and it gets me in everywhere.

I am who I am and I have pride in it. I don't like the fact that we all have to own this style of fashion. That was my point. You focused on one style of clothing for the most part. I roll with a style entirely different than that. My character, style, demeanor(body language), and diction show my intelligence and attraction. I am not educated(by a school anyways) and I am most definitely not successful yet.

I know that girls prefer to have a guy well put together. I promise I choose outfits well as far as me. Many girls that rip fashionistas and cat walk models are or were unattractive? Well that maybe true to some extent, but I am over the 23 and under girls man, they are the most like this. I prefer girls that have been humbled by life(more mature) and no longer use their looks to their advantage. Most of the girls I kick it with just don't prefer a guy that shows far to much self indulgence in their style and I don't prefer to be around those types of people. I know how I present myself, and I get a lot of attention for my style, it isn't outlandish it is tame with just enough extra to get me some attention(mostly by way of color scheme).

My game plan is to be original, that is my game plan. I will walk around with a bill bent up hat(pinstripe) moved to the side with suspenders sometimes. Sometimes I sport a fedora with some suspenders, or sometimes I choose to wear a t-shirt, it just needs to be kosher with who I am. I don't dress to be someone else nor do I believe anyone has to or should. I will wear my regular button up with slacks or a long sleeve with slacks(nice shirt though). I choose to dress original, often times I try to go against the mainstream of where I am going but I refuse to allow you to convince people that your idea of well dressed is the only way to be well dressed.

As I stated own your own style and individuality. Whether that be nerdy, punk, hip hop, GQ, or whatever else. Don't be someone else, don't lose who you are to a fashion. Sure that is cool to look cool but don't change yourself into someone else, you won't be happy that way. You won't be comfortable that way. Dress to be you and no one else, show who you are not try to be some guy out of a magazine or off the internet.

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I dress a little more similar to the bottom guy, but I often where purple, grey, or green. Sometimes a hat, but I always sport some bracelets and my necklace. When I wear green my kicks are green, grey to grey, black to black, blue to blue. I wear a nicer style during the winter time with slacks. I usually have a matching t-shirt underneath(it gets hot dancing on the dance floor) so if need be I can layer down.

I will wear chucks here and there but I do not prefer them, they are uncomfortable and I prefer to dress comfortable. I will sport bright green shorts, black/grey shirt, green kicks, and a hat. Or whatever. My color scheme is where I pay the most attention.

I wouldn't worry to much about what I wear. Wear what you wear, just modify it to show your individuality.

I actually like the fact that the top guy chose to wear the Adidas, he aimed to show something a little different. I like that style but it certainly ain't mine.

I am sure you already have some of your own style. You May need to add some button ups to the closet but you probably have some solid threads. Just make sure you choose colors that fit you and slightly stand out. If you have blue eyes, baby blue will look money. If you have a darker skin tone, olive and purple look well. Just figure out what will make you look well with in your style. Look for some sort of hardware(accessories, necklace, bracelet, rings, etc.) that says something about you. If you are a Scorpio(I am) sport a necklace. If you are snake by chinese new year sport a chinese symbol that means that. If you love the ocean sport some sea shells. If you got something traveling and it means a lot to you wear it. Just look to be you, add elements of you to the outside of you. If you love a certain color find some jewelry that has a meaning and contains your color.

Something I forgot to mention, since I am a thicker guy I choose to wear slightly baggier clothes. I figure I don't ever want to see a Moose Knuckle why should I show mine off(no tight pants).

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ok i think i've found our primary disagreement. Mainstream is not fashionable in my opinion. In my opinion, Mainstream is unfashionable. It's generally out dated by at least 2 years compared to the mainstream. And for this reason I think that it's very easy to use Runway fashion as your building block and still look very original. But here is the great thing. Most babes read Vogue and other fashion mags, so they have already semi-familiarized themselves with these trends and so aren't put off by them, but at the same time you'll stand out above the crowd so much.

I also wear suspenders man. Love 'em. And you're right about trend setters not having money, but I disagree that eccentrics have money, most of them don't, most just spend like they do and find great items of clothing that don't cost much.

Two years ago I was dressing like this http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/s ... utcher.jpg
and a year later that exact same style was in the movies.
And Yet still it hasn't moved into mainstream. Mainstream is always scared to be different.

I think that fashionable is different. Look at this months Vogue Mens. I don't see anybody dressing like those guys. But 2/3 years from now we will.

Most guys don't know shit about fashion, just contemporary trends. Women know all about it, so i'm happy to allow them that luxury and stand out above the crowd.

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Solid, that style has actually been around where I live for a little bit(since before I moved out here 9 years ago). There is a very large punk/ska crowd where I live. A lot of the skin heads around here wear a pretty similar to that style, out side of the necklace. I like this style as well, but this again is a style not for me. I have a lot of different clothes so I will change it up here and there. There are also a lot of greasers out here also that have the pants, shoes, and that style of jacket.

When I first moved out here I was the only one around with a hat with a bent up bill, now I see it everywhere. This kid was trying to be cool and told my sister "hey you like my hat?" my sis said "My brother has been had his hat like that for a little while". His response "Not longer than me" turned out to be 8 months, I had been doing that for like 5 years at that point. So I definitely understand what you mean when things take a minute to catch.

I went to suspenders because they accentuate my shoulders and since I have wide ones I use them. Plus nobody else wears them. I like to screw with colors on my laces as well. At work I have to wear black shoes so I threaded green and white laces every other whole to show some character. I checkered some of my laces as well for other work shoes(skater kicks with a high bridge, they are easy on the knees). I just look for ways to stand out from neck to toe, my hair is always short and clean cut, that is how I look best. I go out of my way to look different.

Agreed that a lot of guys don't know much about fashion, I am one of them. I certainly don't fit that fashion in those magazines but I still stand out and look nice. Glad we can get along now my friend.

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stickying this. great topic

BTW, just to throw my 2 cents in, (i only read the last page of this thread) don't most PU methods encourage eventually finding ur niche target for maximum success? some guys are attracted to bubblegum club girls. some like rocker chicks. some like intelligent coffee girl types.

so unless ur wardrobe allows u to switch ur style, and u are good at state/frame manipulation most guys will be drawn to they type of girl they are attracted to. meaning they will frequent target-rich environments of said type. and when in that environment, wouldn't u dress accordingly. u wouldn't wear college frat-boy style to a high end club in southbeach. just as much as u wouldn't wear a armani suit to a college frat party. the flexibility of ur wardrobe should match the flexibility of ur taste in women.

just my opinion

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ohk now i really need some help on shoes in the last year this is how alot of people i know have been dressing, usually mixed it up wit blazer, jacket, vest etc... but the shoes is always the same either its kicks or canvas. now when its time to go clubbing people wear canvas but during day light they wear kicks i wanna change it up abit because i wanna be original and have my own style, does anyone here know where to get some good shoes online for a good deal? or any good clothing sites online?

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Yeh, pretty much. My argument was really only based around the type of girls I target really. And those types of girls follow trends pretty religiously, so it helps to follow the trend whilst always putting your own twist on whatever is happening.

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poetic...wtf are you talking about? did you even READ my second post in this topic? did you? you are spouting out some irrelevant shit right now. ive been on many forums and i swear so many people have tunnel vision like a motherfucker on here.
also, your long winded, shorten that shit up.

and you got "style" eh? post a picture of your stuff. lets see how stylish and "unique" you are. shit better be fucking amazing. and unique.

did i once say you need fashion to get girls? did i even say shit about girls period? this topic isn t about girls at all its about the ART and many intrepretations of fashion and "style" each person i posted is a normal individual who put together a great pieces in their own way.

um, wut? lmao poetic you saying some stupid shit. what "style"? i posted many different styles. you act as if its just one, are you really that ignorant that you cant distinguish the bunch? if so, i dont believe you have style PERIOD.

do you live in the boondocks? you act as if some of these clothes are extremely abstract. do you live in some hick no name town? a trailer park? go to manhattan, i guarantee you'll see many well dressed men that do just fine with women. and you'll realize you probably have some upgrading to do. actually these pics are taken around the fucking globe. so OBVIOUSLY they dress like that in MANY places. you just live in a trailer park dont you?


Sure i dont need to pull a girl through my clothes. i can do that shit naked. (shit i rather, i got a nice body ;D). but im a creative guy, and when i wear clothes i CARE about how im represented, and i also understand the concept of aestetics and porportions and fits, and how it simply enhances the way i look. simply put when it comes to fashion, that shit is for me. if i were a painter, do i paint for some females? no i paint to soothe my minds yearn for creativity. i do it for ME. and its the same with clothes.

this thread is simply an inspiration thread. not a "DRESS LIKE THAT" thread. where the fuck did you get that idea? some people i swear.

and why do i get the feeling that some of the guys that are hating are probably husky? jk jk not really
didnt you say you were fat? then you're probably just being delusional.
brad pitt would get eye raped. fat guys? nah. they were probably staring at a better looking guy next to you.

and also WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? even if you WERENT a fat fuck, nobody said you have to be in a suit to pick up women. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS SHIT? lol

sorry poetic im not going to be nice to you because you said sooo many retarded things.
poetic you're at a fucking pool, you're expected to be in trunks. not a fucking cardigan. wtf? is this guy forreal?

and who said anything about your fashion sense being the primary thing that works for you? who said that? i'd like to know. poetic are you retarded?

why has this turned into a debate?
i wanted to see some nice clothes!

I write long posts so that my posts don't seem like a damn PM back in forth. I'd rather say what I need to say and move on. Kind of a hypocrite aren't you?

Don't worry about what I wear, it is none of your concern. I am for damn sure not going into here and posting who I am so some of you guys can copy. It just isn't going to happen.

Your idea of irrelevant and mine are quite the opposite my friend. The relevancy of what I have to say is be yourself, define your own style.

LOL it is a bunch of different styles? In your first post 12-13 were the same style and even that one is arguable as most of those people would sport that skater look. They had the same style of people that would do it. I don't really count the hobo, 12 year old, and a general. Hey you got 3 more of the same style though. Man your ridiculous, you define style however you want that is cool.

Your right I don't distinguish myself. My town is 12 whole people though and all of us agree it is lame. I don't dress well either so I don't do very well with women. I need to upgrade so I can distinguish myself as someone else for people like you.

Didn't I mention that I pay attention closely to what I wear, however you can ignore what I say it is just fine. I don't pay attention, I dress in the dark after getting the clothes to wear outside of under my mattress so it looks really wrinkled.

How are you going to encourage ONE style and than say dress different lol? Yeah you have a I nice body and can pick up girls yay! So proud of you! I hope I can grow up to dress just like you. I want to change my style and I want a nice body so I can be you.

Yeah I am to fat, I should end myself. Fat guys never get girls, I must be delusional. They never get looked at. Only guys like Brad Pitt get looks. Nobody I know of gets looks because nobody else is as good looking. I am sure that everyone who makes eye contact with me and smiles is looking at someone else though. My bad I know a girl uses her peripheral vision so your right she must have been looking and smiling at someone else.

I am so retarded, I really don't deserve and opinion. My concepts don't work at all, I am so stupid and know nothing.

This has been fun. I figured out a lot about myself.

I need to dress like you.
Gain a nice body like you.
Look like Brad Pitt.
Fat people don't get girls.
Stop understanding body language at you.
Stop understanding where people are looking like you.
Learn to be someone else.
I need to move out of my 12 person town to get other people's opinions.
I should probably move my trailer to a bigger town like you.
I am retarded.
My opinion doesn't matter.

I don't glorify any of the things you said. You are a tool that is why you got offended sorry but the truth hurts. My ideals are my ideals, your opinion of me and my ideals/opinion is hilarious. We are all allowed to have our own big guy when you turn 18 come back and we will talk again.

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Its true, you need some value of fashion. I totally forgot this. I just threw out some shirts I had the past 3 years ya know the faded, logo disappearing type. Got my new clothes on and was just watching women heads turn lately. They do take note... you should to. For me, it helped my confidence. But you would also be amazed home much cleaner, sexier you look and feel with some good clothes.

Age 15-24 I wore nothing but black. I was a angry punk rocker. I hated fashion so much I removed all the colors to just black, band shirts and dickies. I still got girls though I am pretty good looking I have a upper hand on it. Well I finally got over it, and its awesome watching girls check you out.