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The integrity of the reputation point system rests wholly on the shoulders of the member population of this forum. At its best, the system can be a useful guide to figuring out which members dispense the highest quality advice; at its worst, it can be a tool for shallow validation-seeking and outright fraud.

Which one it becomes can only be decided by the level of respect our members have for each other, and while the administration of the forum can certainly work to foster that respect (and we do), it is ultimately out of our hands to determine how the system is used. That responsibility lies with you.

Due to the recent misuse of the system, a set of rules with harsh penalties is in the works and will be implemented soon. It pains me greatly that dumbing things down to the lowest common denominator has become a necessity on a forum dedicated primarily to being the best we can be, but as the stewards of this place we really have no choice.

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That's real life, and these are real procedures that should have been in place a long, long time ago. Forum posters are not mind readers, and they don't know what your intended purpose or vision is. We simply don't understand what you had in mind with this rating system? its become a friggen gag. New posters don't even realize its there, and old posters are now taking the piss.

I don't see the connection between personal growth and public forum administration... again with all due respect, this is not the posters fault, its directly forum administrations/moderators fault for not clearing up the intended vision behind the system you have put in place. You cant throw 20 people in a sandpit and expect them to play it your way!

The abuse is there because your rules are not. Take some responsibility and clean it up! Because if you guys don't, this will happen time and time again...
This is the absolute first, that I'm hearing of this! And you can't blame me, where have you got it in written form, that what you just said is the INTENDED purpose for the rating system? Maybe direct me to a old post?

Again, I could point to a cloud in the sky and say "that looks like a truck!", and you could say "no man... its a cow!". We are all in this sandpit together, we come from very different backgrounds, and if you guys want your ideas and visions to pull through, you have to notify us properly in writing of the procedures and rules.

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Now lets further discuss your concept of the rating system. What if a user doesn't post on the forum for 1 year. He comes on, he gets 2 votes and for a year hes busy, he has things to do... business, life, etc.. he comes back! Lets say he is Hypnotica... anyway he comes in, he has a vote of 2. Now he leaves advice for some new reader, (as always Hypnotica has phenomenal advice to give...) BUT the new reader says... ugh... Hypnotica... he only has a vote of 2... I'm going to listen to ... Reo... because Reo is cool... he has a vote of 4...4 is higher then 2... that means Reo knows more???

So here we have a example of how a world class man, fails in comparison to a random on this forum, due to whose fault? not the posters!!... your fault as moderators!

Do you see the flaw? What does that say about the effectiveness of your system? You can't design stuff like this then release it to people and blame them for "misusing" or "misunderstanding" YOUR FLAWED system (with all due respect).

There is a old business saying, "the customer is never wrong". In the forum sense, "the user is never wrong". That's one of the many beautiful advantages of being just a member, we can say it as it is.

Anyway you have my thoughts! Hope you guys can get something together!

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didn't I get an email from you asking to trade rep points?

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Also you have 42 votes I have 7 but if you asked people on the forum whether I give good advice or not I think the answer would be yes rather than no of course not he only has 7 votes. I think you are overlooking the common sense of the average user, then again maybe it isn't as common as I thought.

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You've made some great posts on the forum, I was simply recognizing your contribution! I offered to trade points, i don't see whats wrong with that? Its not like i was asking you to give me something without a adequate return...??

And I never asked anyone on the forum anything about you?... I'm confused as to what your trying to say...? or what the point is??

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I highly doubt that anyone assumed the "intended vision" of the rating system was to make a bunch of fake accounts that you use to post random bullshit, then give the accumulated rep points your main account where you proceed to flame and belittle other forum members.

The laws of good taste generally don't have to be written down. If holding people to a higher standard and expecting better out of them is wrong, I personally don't want to be right.

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After my lengthy and proper response I'm not even going to bother addressing this. I'm finished with this topic! i don't have time for going around in circles.

When you moderators take some responsibility and fix this up, then remember to notify the members after.

Thanks

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Keyword "your perception."

This forum is about sharing ideas of the masters as much as sharing original research (be it sharing infield experiences or something made by a kj that others have the balls to test out himself). Someone posting any guru's ideas even word for word could be a hero to another member. Hell I've done that a lot, tho included it in a relvant discussion, cited the source and had a bunch of n00bs applaud me for helping them understand the game better. Can only hope they are using it to their advantage.

To each his own; value is in the eye of the beholder.

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We all know this rating system is really about ego. It doesn't matter if the system is votes or if you change it to ribbons or medals, all those ribbons or medals mean is that you got some votes. And why would anyone care about votes? Ego. If someone gives good advice, people are going to recognize it. Other people in the thread are going to commend that person. Solid advice is solid advice regardless of whether the person had 2 votes or 20. I do agree with you about the newbie issue though. New guys really don't have a concept of what is good or bad and may just listen to the guy who has the most points. But there is no other rating system that will solve that problem.

I have to disagree about the asking for votes. You said there is no rule or explanation of the rating system and that is why you feel like it is okay for you to ask others for votes. But you clearly stated that votes are meant to show competence and expertise....if that is the case (and it is) then you shouldn't have to ask others for rep points. If they read your posts and decide that you are giving good advice, they will give you a point. Asking for points and creating accounts to give yourself votes (i don't know the details of this accusation so i'm just saying as an example) are just immature ways to boost ego. And I bet that any member that has asked for rep points or created extra accounts to vote for themselves will defend their actions by saying that they are experts and give great advice and just want to be recognized for it. And that they want a lot of rep points so that people can see that they are credible and come to them for advice. Well you know what, maybe they are credible, but they are making themselves look less credible because instead of earning rep points like everyone else, they are asking others for rep points. And when you coerce people to give you rep points it just looks lame. Don't say it is because the forum has no written explanation of the rating system, any socially competent individual would be able to understand that asking for rep points would make them look bad.