I bet you´re superman in your spare time.


Studying psych/whatever does not make you good. Infield practice does. which leads me to my next point:

Life is bigger than your school. Seriously it means nothing how good you are with girls that are going to the same school as you. I may not like you but what you're saying isn't proving a point. Doesn't matter how you look at it.

Ow my eyes

Point being that it dosn't matter who we pick, its not about voting for people. Its for getting the people who are currently there to follow certain criterias in regards to etiquette baning, rules etc... The moderators have private parts of these forums which are viewed to select members or moderators only and are not available for the rest to see. So whether somethings being done about this or not, we won't have a clue.
How can 13 year olds sign up, view everything in the forum, then when they want to apply for moderation they get cut off. And how does someone check this? do they ask for ID? We should have a MUST BE 18+ to even view these forums! Some type of entry disclaimer.
Can we please try not to troll on a topic viewed by moderators haha! That's just taking the piss now.
Lets keep this clean and focused on the main topic!

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Because most of the forum should contain clean stuff, there is no pornographic images or explicit details about sex.
Being 18+ means your legally counted as being an adult in most countries, now since the forum has an income through advertising and other things, I would assume the legal reason for moderates to be 18 is to do with this. However, I do not know the full details.
More than anything though, being a moderator requires maturity. I am not denying that some 13 yr olds may be more mature than some 18yr olds, but generally speaking as you get older you get more mature.

Point is, my personality is great, every party I go to I'm the center of attention.

I'm not afraid to open up to ANYBODY.

Approach anxiety? I have none.

I have no shame, I am a beast.

I've gotten with enough girls in and OUT of my school to know I'm a great PUA.

What I've read has been way more important than what I have done.

Before, I'd go out and have fun, but I'd be too forward or girls would put me in the friendzone etc and I'd get nowhere.

Now, I'm a fucking lunatic with the vagina.

Idc what you think, point I was trying to make was don't get big on the forum unless you've done big things outside of this virtual highway of theoretical bullshit.

Let me say it again, I don't think you realize how insignificant your opinion is to me.

Lol, if I cared what every AMOGing dbag said to me, I wouldn't be such a successful PUA now would I?

I don't know if you've realized, but me and Impact are the AMOGs here, sorry lemming, scoot on somewhere else.

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Again another attempt from a senior moderator to take a swing at its members. This forum is out of control.

Now I'm convinced this forum is run by people with a maturity lower then 13 years of age! The worst part is that still nothing is being done to address these issues.

You people are a outright disgrace as moderators.

In this topic id also like to link this post -your-rating-system-truly-sucks--vt54237.html
We have thrust power on the shoulders of these random people, but we havnt given them any rules to follow. Moderators in this forum are god! There dosn't seem to be a brad, or anyone higher to contact to sus this mess out!

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Impact,

I don't know what has gotten your panties in a bunch (and I've PMed you about it to fully understand, in your own words, away from the forum) but let me clear up a few things that unfortunately I have to put out there to the entire forum.

The suggestions you've given us are some great ones, and we've taken them all into consideration. I'm actually rooting for a few of your ideas. However, things unfortunately don't happen overnight. Disproving one of your points, we are not God. We can't snap our fingers. We have a very clear understanding that we all talk, vote, agree, etc. on issues and suggestions. THEN if we can't do it on our own, we have to have the tech man or the owner approve it.

I honestly get frustrated that we can't make things happen faster, whether banning or resolving a technical issue. A lot of this frustration is shared, all around, if you know it or not, and we are addressing it. Have been for a few weeks.

There is a chain of command. There are rules. We aren't the first forum to have a moderation staff and an administrator/owner and tech staff. Most boards run fine without the moderators having to hold the hands of the members and tell them, "Honey, the moderators make sure the bad men stay in check... they discuss.... then, they vote.... then, the admin..."

From what I've seen, you're building up some sort of straw-man offense. We are not without a "brad." We are not "God." We are not banning left-and-right without the consent of the other moderation staff. We are not "senior" and "junior" moderators. We don't make snap judgments. Your statements are completely based on your assumptions, clouded by your horrific use of defamatory adjectives and tone. Unfortunately, it starts to cloud your (as previously stated) great points.

There is a way to do things to make this forum better without causing drama or making assumptions or calling names. Are we perfect? No. Are you perfect? Obviously not.

By the very name of this thread and the way you've handled your "constructive" criticism, you've almost TRIED to make it personal. You've tried to bate us into, I don't know, what? Do you want us to BAN you? Do you want us to promote you to moderator? Are you trying to get attention? Are you trying to create "sides?" We are "outright disgraces as moderators" but you tell us that to fix what? It just makes us question your motives, that's all. (Again, Impact, please help me understand where you are coming from and reply to the PM.)

I don't want it to be personal. I would like us to all get to a place where we are helping each other rather than ripping each other to shreds.

TO EVERYONE: I've got my concerns, and I've voiced them in a mature way, in the proper place. I suggest you ALL take your tampons out and do the same.
Cut it out with the Braveheart speeches. It makes all of your good points fly out the window.

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Stop reading behind the meaning and trying to figure out my sub communication. Read what Ive wrote.

I don't understand how more self explanatory it can be.

My reasons for this are completely professional, nothing personal, I'm most surely not interested in becoming a moderator, as i enjoy a good argument and the ability to be a asshole! I'm only interested in the betterment of this forum.

In order for us to move forward we have to create rules by which members and moderators must follow. I have painted out general broad strokes with my prior posts on here. We have to further create procedures and the ability to appeal decisions to a higher source.

I don't like what I see. When i first joined (months before you) this forum was absolutely clean. Brad maintained a really good job and all the members were extremely respectful. Any topics that would have flaming remarks would be blocked and muted, any personal attack stopped in its track. Now its just a zoo and we have allot more moderators on post. So the question is why?

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Lets start with the basics and write out the forum rules properly, and lets put a date by which this can be done.

Then lets address how the forum recruits moderators, and write out criteria's which are not based on how good they are in field but rather on their ability to actively moderate the forum. Im not sure if youve noticed but there are moderators who take extremely long vacations. We have to design a system, and im willing to give you guys the best input to solve this. Also keep in mind we have different time zones, so although we may have a huge number of moderators, we can't cater for all members appropriately.

Lastly lets look at the moderators. How should they deal with people? what type of behavior must they have towards the members.

At the end of the day you people as moderators are protecting the interests and credibility of the forum. So there has to be severe consequences to mods who outright bash people or insight group hate towards them.

Moderators also hold a key of authority, so if they approve of even the slackest behavior, all the members will think its ok.

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I would be able to give you guys more feedback but i simply don't know where this system stands. I don't know if you guys even have the ability to mute posts, or partially ban accounts for a week or hour. I have no idea how this is setup, so i cant tailor anything to you directly unless more detail is given.

I don't like the way chief is dealing with members on the forum, and especially his remarks towards me! thats completely unprofessional, you don't see me going around and making remarks in the forum about him.

---------------------------------- I'm not aware of absolutely any of your procedures, they are so far removed from the public its not fumy. Instead of making childish remarks like you just have, you could ask yourself what you could do to ensure that members get piece of mind. Maybe open up a thread and explain everything, how its run etc.

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I have to also point out that calling yourself ♥ Forum Mommy ♥ isnt exactly the best thing you can be doing, if you honestly want people to respect you as a moderator.

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PS: I've send you a detailed private message! Ill keep this clean and directly to the points.

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Why are you constantly having the feeling that you need to brag everytime someone says something negative about you?


A rich man doesn't have to tell he's rich.

I've already read what you wrote. We all have. We've already been talking about it, like I've said. Read what I've written. Asking your motives is not outrageous, nor is it the biggest deal in the world.


Glad you're interested in the betterment of this forum. So am I. Have been for years. Not impressed with the asshole remark.
We have member rules. As another member has stated, you've read them well enough to put them in your own words. The moderators are talking about adjustments to them and agreeing on what we'd like taken away or added. That's our job, not yours.

As far as a public display of the moderation "rules," I'll take your suggestion to the moderation and administrative team.
I agree with you. I have agreed with you since January. The moderation staff is dealing with our own roadblock and frustration, which has lead to consequences that have obviously trickled down. And we've just added new moderators within the past few days to help, so do give it a chance.
Thank you for the suggestions. Many of your concerns sound quite similar to some that I have previously expressed to the other staff.
Our job as moderators is technical and we follow precedent. We also hold thorough discussions in our own section about problem members, technical issues, spamming and trolling, etc. However, we also have to act on the fly on minor issues like locking something (temporarily or permanently) and replying to threads like this. We use our judgment because we are human beings.

As far as outright bashing or insighting group hate... is this how you feel Chief has acted towards you? Are you speaking about a different situation? General strokes don't help me help you. We can take this into private discussion in your PM, if you wish.
The moderators can lock a post, move a post, split a post, edit, delete. The moderators can also check IP history so we know if someone is creating multiple accounts. We can't ban. The admin/super mod can ban temporarily, ban a username, or IP ban.


I will reference this in our PM.
It's just a metaphor. Just to quote you, "Read what Ive wrote. I don't understand how more self explanatory it can be."

I've told you what the moderators can and can't do in this very post. Chief has even answered your questions about moderation powers. As far as making a post outlining our procedure, it's not rocket science and it's not Parliamentary. I'll take this suggestion to the staff, as previously mentioned.
Thank you for your suggestion. Whatever that is under my username isn't under my control and wasn't my idea. I don't mind it because it does make some users more comfortable with me.

Anything else you'd like to point out?
As of 11:45am EST, I have not received your PM.

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How exactly am I taking a swing at the members of this forum?
I was pointing out that as a general rule, people who are aged 18+ are more mature than people aged 13 but as always there are exceptions.

Apparently you haven't been listening to rap music and/or any Europeans.

Because, in Europe, people live in 3x3 boxes and rock 300 dollar jeans and 900 dollar phones.

People will literally buy an Aston Martin and live in it.

Your assumptions are incorrect - I let everyone know I'm great, it does NOT mean I'm bullshitting.

Why does every single rapper talk about his cars and money etc? They are ALL rich, so what's your point?

You're generalizing yet again - typical.

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I wasn't planning on getting involved in this hoopla, but I have to say I am highly disappointed with the way people are communicating in this thread. With the exception of Zip and maybe one or two others, everyone has taken personal stabs at other forum members in their attempt to gain respect. My constructive criticism is....if you want people to listen to you, respect you, and accept your viewpoint, you cannot bash them. No one is going to say "oh yeah you are right, I have been a complete asshole and you bashing me has woken me up to that realization."

That said, I think there are some great contributions (which I'm sure the moderators are discussing). Impact, I have decided to say a few things about one of your latest messages (and I am glad that it is slightly more mature than the first dozen you wrote).
When one starts bashing others, their true reasons are often overshadowed by controversial comments. Try separating your posts so that people can respond to each separately. Your good points are being over-looked because people are having stronger reactions to your negative comments.

Also you may seem like you are being clear, but sometimes messages get misconstrued due to personal differences. Obviously you know what you are trying to say because it is clear in your head, but other people don't have the same views and experiences as you so you have to be precise. It is like giving directions to your house to someone who has never been there before. As you describe it, of course it is easy for you to understand (you have driven it a thousand times) but the other person has no concept of the roads and many times they get lost despite what you think are "clear" instructions. I hope you understand this analogy.
I think that is great! Again, I suggest forming your complaints in a more professional manner so they do not get overlooked or belittled by those who can implement change.
I believe that rules for moderators should be written clearly and posted for others to see. The rules for forum members, though not the best they can be, are not a complete atrocity. People who are going to blatantly break those rules don't really if they are vague or more explicit. Most forum users have no not had a problem acting within the limit of the rules. That said, there is always room for improvement.
I was not around at this time. I have heard things from other members saying they felt censored with Brad around. As I said, I wasn't there butt there needs to be a line between unwarranted censoring and a zoo. There is nothing wrong with criticism as long as it is constructive....now if only everyone can learn that.

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I'll second this
I know you were concerned with the 18+ age limit. There can be some mature individuals younger than 18, but like any age limit, this limit acts as a control and a standard. Could some people drive a car at the age of 13? Yes. Does that mean everyone should be able to drive at 13? No. Because generally 13 year olds are not mature enough to drive a car. A 15 year old may be a good moderator, but it is generally accepted that an 18 year old is more mature and has more experience than those younger than 18. I'm sure the mod staff would be willing to consider a younger candidate if the individual made a good argument for their cause.

On another note, I would argue that skill level should remain as part of the criteria for a moderator. Moderators do more than just move and edit threads on the forum. They act as central characters for advice and role models for forum members. Many of them have their own "ask" thread and many new members are so overwhelmed by the sheer volume of the site that they turn to the mods for guidance. In this regard, mods should have documented success so that we all can be confident in their ability to provide the best advice.
I completely agree. I have witnessed some not-so-professional behavior from a mod before. If that individual has not been warned by the other mods yet, then they definitely need to be warned.


I also agree. That said, lead by example. If you expect the mods to treat forum members with respect and to not "outright bash people or insight group hate towards them" then you should not display those behaviors as well. I know you claim you just want this to be a better place, but in your pursuit you have unarguably bashed the mods and attempted to rally up hatred against them.



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Haha I'm just playing with you. I don't think mods should treat anyone unprofessionally either. But if this happens, it is your responsibility to PM another mod and provide them with subsequent proof of his behavior. Talking about it in a threat is not going to solve the problem.

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I think this site prides itself in not being so uptight about egotistical titles such as "moderator." I know that on other sites, mods think they are god because of their title. This forum, for better or worse, has a laid back vibe. People come here to chat about stuff other than pickup because not everyone's life is all about pick up. I know many people that have respect for Zip as a moderator, including myself. Respect has more to do with the actions people take and less about their title. As far as I am concerned, Zip has responded to all your comments in this thread in a respectful manner.

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Not everyone is going to be 100% happy with this forum. We don't live in utopia and it just isn't going to happen. We can strive to make a lot of people happy and your comments and suggestions can aid in that cause. Give the mod staff some time to discuss and vote on these changes. If you are urging them to act more professionally, then make sure you model the way by framing your comments in such manner. They are normal people like us with jobs, friends, and lives other than this forum. They too are subject to a bureaucratic system which makes it difficult to enact change quickly.

As an observer of the debauchery taking place, I have a couple of nickels and shit to add.

I think we should get a e-therapist (such as Dr. Phil or those radio show hosts that deal with peoples issues) on the forum. A volunteer of course. Maybe someone with experience dealing with conflicts and mental instability.

Clearly,

Mental sanity is an issue at hand.

Some of us are not fortunate enough to be responsible for our own words and consequences.

P.S. Impact, I think your Baldazon personality is way cooler mate.

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