Is exercise necessary with a diet plan?



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:23 am 
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Hey...
guys what do you think Is exercise necessary with a diet plan??
share your opinion with me..

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well what are you trying to do? Gain muscle? Then absolutely. Lose weight? Absolutely.

Eating right is only 50% of the battle, you put a good work out routine in there and your going to see results a lot faster, and it will help keep you encouraged.


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It is true, diet can only do so much, just like exercise can only do so much, if you want to be at your best you have to have both. What are you aiming for?

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ya of course its very necessary to all. If you are following any diet plan then its necessary for you to follow any exercise like yoga or Gymnastic. If you will do exercise you can get good body but on the other hand if you are following any diet plan without any exercise you will get fat.


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yep, you need both, you cant workout without eating right to get good results, you cant eat right without working out to get good results either


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Well that would be optimal, but from what I'm reading in the Primal Blueprint (check it out on Amazon) It's 80% diet and 20% everything else. I'm currently doing the "Starting Strength" program by Mark Rippetoe. According to Mark Rippetoe, if you aren't eating right, you're not doing the program.


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morale of the story, if you had to choose between eating well and working out frequently aand hard, you should rather eat well. Diet is definately more important than excercise. its also a good place to start. small changes every week can build a good nutrition without you binging on junk food which is what normally happens when people go straight into diet plans. Note: dieting and having a good nutrition are two very different things. NUtrition being the ideal one. obviously exercise will help, but its not necessary unless you're building mass, then yeah, you kinda need it. everything is achieved faster and more efficiently with a combination of both

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I am with the last two posters. You cannot out train a bad diet. You can lose all the weight you want with just diet. You can even have some muscle tone if you maintain that diet and have somewhat of an active life style. No, you will not be muscular, nor will you have any cardiovascular endourance, but you will be thin.

That being said, I don't like "just thin", so I lift heavy, run fast, swim faster and take my multi's.


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diet is prob most important. get in exercise and replenish muscles with good nutirents. three things need to have for good fitness.... cardio/good diet/weights, balance and get best results

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Diet is most important but exercise is most important to maintain to our body healthy and diseases free.

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I am with the last two posters. You cannot out train a bad diet. You can lose all the weight you want with just diet. You can even have some muscle tone if you maintain that diet and have somewhat of an active life style. No, you will not be muscular, nor will you have any cardiovascular endourance, but you will be thin.

That being said, I don't like "just thin", so I lift heavy, run fast, swim faster and take my multi's.
Depending on what you define as a bad diet you COULD out train it if you were an olympic athlete training, such as a rower. A guy I know is representing my country in the olympics and he trains 6 days a week. His nutritionist basically told him he can eat whatever he wants!
But for the rest of us, like Oneaday said, diet is key. I urge you to exercise aswell though!


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a bad diet is a bad diet... its not healthy.

either his nutritionist is an idiot, he is naturally talented, or you are misinformed.. if a dude is going to ask a question like this on a forum i doubt he's gonna put in an olympic athletes training into his day. the guy you know can eat whatever he wants but any athlete knows that if you're serious about competing at an international level then your entire lifestyle changes. if he wants to really benefit from his training he's going to have to put in the right fuel

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a bad diet is a bad diet... its not healthy.

either his nutritionist is an idiot, he is naturally talented, or you are misinformed.. if a dude is going to ask a question like this on a forum i doubt he's gonna put in an olympic athletes training into his day. the guy you know can eat whatever he wants but any athlete knows that if you're serious about competing at an international level then your entire lifestyle changes. if he wants to really benefit from his training he's going to have to put in the right fuel
You sound like you're looking for a fight sir. Well I'm not into doing that over the internet. Either that or you haven't got laid in a while!

Where did I come across as assuming or even suggesting that the OP is going to put in an olympic athletes training into his day?

Where did I come across as saying the guy I know DOESN'T put in the right fuel??

I'm sorry but maybe you need to re-read my post word for word and realise what it is that I said and not what you want or THINK it is. Go fight elsewhere mate.


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lol.. not looking for a fight,, just saying what you posted came across as ignorant to me. like you commenting on something you dont know about and just heard from a friend of a friend.. you're right, this is not going to turn into a reply for reply argument in the internet.. thats just lame

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I'm gonna but in some cents. I've studied this stuff a lot, and had my own personal struggle with weight after some bad food poisoning messed up my digestion.

Here are some hard fast facts that can hopefully help those looking to slim.

Weight gain is largely an equation (there is more to it later, but we start here). Counting calories is the most effective way to loose weight in a dieting situation. That being said, how you are getting those calories definately matters more than how many.

If you are not building muscle AT ALL, and just doing diet alone, you must must must reduce your complex carb and sugar intake dramatically and limit it only to naturally occuring and simple sources. Think like a caveman and eat like one too. Cavemen couldn't make twinkies or hotdogs, nor could they get ice cream or sausage.

Each meal should be about 60% protien, 30% carb and 10% fat. You should limit your total caloric intake to be less than your basal metabolic rate, or plain and simple you will gain.

Now the addendum to my first statement. If you are treating steak as your 60% protien, mashed potatoes as your 30% carb and smothering it in butter as your 10% fat, you will probably gain. Your body has a mechanism that evaluates WHAT you eat and then tries to categories the enzymes and acids necessry to break those things down.

The more complicated it has to think the less effective it is, and so more material passes through unproperly digested. Also, your spleen/pancreas system work together to breakdown and absorb nutrients and energy from the food you eat. If they cannot do it effectively (because you are eating shit, or putting stuff they don't like in) again most of what you eat will just pass through and be harsh on the system.

When it gives up entirely, it just says "fuck it" and converts as much as possible into sugar, and then fat to be stored and figured out later. turning all that food into sugar over works your digestive system (can weaken your spleen/panc, and contribute to diabetes) and makes you feel hungry again to fast because it never felt like it got the right things.

for instance, if you eat nothing but salads, drown in fat free dressing, you will get fat. three reasons:

1) all that cold watery greens makes your spleen/panc angry and they won't digest all of it - you will eventually get stinky gassy much pouring out of your ass and you will feel like shit.

2) Fat free dressing is loaded with chemicals that trick your body into thinking the things that should be turned to fat, are not actually fat. The side effect is that ANYTHING that is healthy fat gets ignored too, and instead it gives up and just starts turning everything into fat instead.

3) Your body wants variety. When it gets nothing but the same shit over and over again, it starts dropping it's matabolism and assumes you are conserving. It starts to get very stingy with the few nutrients it does get and just plain ignoring others. Again, your body NEEDS VARIETY.

So if you are lumpy couch potato with a basal met rate of 2000 cals, you can absolutely loose weight dieting, but only if you do it right, calculated, and with attention to cleansing and giving your body what it's been missing for so long.

Working out like a madman will also win you no favors if again all you do is eat shit. Your muscles will break down, and when they need nutrients to build back up and you feed them McDonalds, they just say "fuck that shit" and pull excess carbs from your liver, and protien from other muscles and whatever healthy fats they can grab from the shit you just ate. The result is redistribution and you end up progressing very very very slowly and not really loosing anything. In fact, you will have much higher than normal recovery times and you basal met will stay roughly the same. FAIL.

The most effective way to go about it, is to slowly shift into both. Start increasing your daily activity and stary including light weight training while also changing diet and lifestyle habits to be more healthy and appropriate.

A healthy diet, with healthy foods containing lots of fruits and veggies (and TONS of variety of them) should be about 60% carb, 25% protien and 15% fat. From all healthy sources.

For instance, a bowl of old fashioned whole SPAM, some organic pro-biotic plain yogurt, and some berries. Or a Tuna salad sandwhich on natural whole grain (not store packaged doughey fake-o bread), a hand full of almonds and an apple. dinner say some some roasted chicken, w/roasted veggies and a small salad from earthy greens like romain/spinach and a light dressing of olive oil, lemon, seasoning and a drip of vinegar.

Think CLEAN and BLAND. believe me, once you try it and get over the first few days you feel AMAZING and wonder how you ever ate massively over salted, over seasoned and chemically infused garbage.

With proper nutrition, any workout gains will be exponential by comparison to brute force attempts followed by shit on a plate. I spent years trying to loose weight by gyming 3-4 days a week and eating small portions of whatever I wanted. I gained about 30 lbs of fat and only about 15lbs of muscle.

Eating this way I lost 20lbs of fat and gained 8lbs of muscle in 2 months and had 50%+ improvement on all my exercise plateaus. I am now approaching ideal physical genetic capability and almost to my target body weight. And I feel AWESOME by comparison. A sedintary lifestyle full of fast food, sugary junk, and store bought pre-made garbage is the fast track to a miserable life full of health problems.

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