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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:01 am 
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What exactly is the idea body? I need an idea of what the ideal body actually is. I weigh 95 kgs and i can bench 140 pounds, what is the ideal BMI and weight that women find attractive?

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The ideal body is different to almost every woman, for instance im 6'4 220 pretty muscular and most women find that attractive but I know many women who like really skinny guys are even over weight men


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According to Leonardo's preview in the accompanying text, written in mirror writing, it was made as a study of the proportions of the (male) human body as described in Vitruvius:

a palm is the width of four fingers
a foot is the width of four palms
a cubit is the width of six palms
a pace is four cubits
a man's height is four cubits (and thus 24 palms)
"erit eaque mensura ad manas pansas" (Literally: "It will be the same in measure to the spread out hands.")
the length of a man's outspread arms (arm span) is equal to his height
the distance from the hairline to the bottom of the chin is one-tenth of a man's height
the distance from the top of the head to the bottom of the chin is one-eighth of a man's height
the distance from the bottom of the neck to the hairline is one-sixth of a man's height
the maximum width of the shoulders is a quarter of a man's height (one cubit)
the distance from the middle of the chest to the top of the head is a quarter of a man's height (one cubit)
the distance from the elbow to the tip of the hand is a quarter of a man's height (one cubit)
the distance from the elbow to the armpit is one-eighth of a man's height (half a cubit)
the length of the hand is one-tenth of a man's height
the distance from the bottom of the chin to the nose is one-third of the length of the head
the distance from the hairline to the eyebrows is one-third of the length of the face
the length of the ear is one-third of the length of the face
the length of a man's foot is one-sixth of his height
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Leonardo is clearly illustrating Vitruvius' De architectura 3.1.2-3 which reads:

For the human body is so designed by nature that the face, from the chin to the top of the forehead and the lowest roots of the hair, is a tenth part of the whole height; the open hand from the wrist to the tip of the middle finger is just the same; the head from the chin to the crown is an eighth, and with the neck and shoulder from the top of the breast to the lowest roots of the hair is a sixth; from the middle of the breast to the summit of the crown is a fourth. If we take the height of the face itself, the distance from the bottom of the chin to the under side of the nostrils is one third of it; the nose from the under side of the nostrils to a line between the eyebrows is the same; from there to the lowest roots of the hair is also a third, comprising the forehead. The length of the foot is one sixth of the height of the body; of the forearm, one fourth; and the breadth of the breast is also one fourth. The other members, too, have their own symmetrical proportions, and it was by employing them that the famous painters and sculptors of antiquity attained to great and endless renown. Similarly, in the members of a temple there ought to be the greatest harmony in the symmetrical relations of the different parts to the general magnitude of the whole. Then again, in the human body the central point is naturally the navel. For if a man be placed flat on his back, with his hands and feet extended, and a pair of compasses centred at his navel, the fingers and toes of his two hands and feet will touch the circumference of a circle described therefrom. And just as the human body yields a circular outline, so too a square figure may be found from it. For if we measure the distance from the soles of the feet to the top of the head, and then apply that measure to the outstretched arms, the breadth will be found to be the same as the height, as in the case of plane surfaces which are perfectly square.[5]

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Ideal is whatever your comfortable with. For me I prefer practicality. Not too big that you struggle to fit through spaces or perform daily tasks and not too small that you blow away in the wind and cant carry a load. My job involves weight carriage, endurance and core strength. The more you weigh, the more weight you drag around. The less you weigh, the harder it is to keep your balance. My goal is 75kg (currently 70kg), I used to weigh 60kg and it made weight carriage difficult. If I lost my balance carrying 50kg on my back, I'd most likely fall over unless there was something I could lean against

After wearing body armour and webbing and going to the toilet, I never want to get fat because its hard to pee when you cant see your penis and its a pretty tight fit between the urinal dividers


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I would assume most women would find their idea guy somewhere between these two in terms of muscle mass and body fat %

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Generally, most women like decent muscle mass on the major muscle groups (chest, back, quads, hamstrings and glutes)


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The Ideal body composition is your genetic potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdJFbjWHEU


Proper Exercise,
and
Proper Nutrition

These two will allow your body to approach what is your genetic potential.
For some that is long slender muscles, for others it will be more bulk.
Regardless of which one you have, you'll approach the one that is encoded in your genes.

You cannot alter your genes (yet) Thus you cannot alter your potential muscle composition, and within short time you should be able to guess which way it's going.

I can bench 200, but that doesn't mean shit, I still have a slim body. (Like a swimmer, but I never swim.... unless to avoid drowning.)
I have a friend who can bench the exact same amount and he's bulky with large upper arms.

The point is; it's genetic.
With proper nutrition and exercise your body will recompose itself into that which is it's optimal state as encoded.
(consider it your state of perfect balance. It's where your body will function to the best of it's ability.)



As an example of the misconceptions at large;
people start swimming in order to get the swimmer's body.

By the same token of logic I should start doing basketball in order to get taller.

It's not the activity that creates the body, it just applies selective pressure (equal to evolution by natural selection, but much much higher competitive pressure.)


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There are sites that tell you ways to find BMI and fat %. A BMI that is lower i the "average" range is considered to be extremely good looking. Body fat levels below 10% are athelete level so if you can get there you are set. I'm 5'8" and 125 so I am just above underweight and my fat% hovers around 4%to 6.5% and a lot of chicks say I' small. SO what you can do is make sure that you have muscle. A low fat% and BMI plus muscle equals one attractive brother. Upper body is most reveled over.

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BMI is not something I recommend most people to go by. It will essentially tell a fat person they are fat, or an average person they are average, but not a lot else. For example. I'm 5'11" at 190lbs with a 8% body fat. I'm a personal trainer btw. My BMI is 27.1, which makes me overweight (according to the BMI), but I'm obviously not.

Forget that and look in the mirror, it won't lie to you. At 125, you need to gain weight, period. Focus on building muscle without worrying about adding a little fat, you can cut it out later. In all honesty, there is no specific weight or build that is perfect, but you need some type of goal. If I was training you, I would focus on hitting an ideal weight of around 150-160 (this is a very broad generalization because I don't know enough about you), but I have worked with many guys your height, and this is a weight that allows them to be muscular without being TOO muscular.


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Just look at the celebrities women drool over and the men pictured in women's magazines like cosmo

here are some beefcakes for you to check out

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/da ... 0#fbIndex2

Actually some are pretty skinny. I was surprised.


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I'm 6"2 and 240lbs with somewhat visible abs (dunno my exact BF %).
Most girls seem to like it. If I wear a tank top at a night club, the odds of getting groped by a drunk chick is pretty decent. :shock: :D

I've heard women telling me that its "too much", as well, so it definitely differs from woman to woman.
I also get the "uhhmmm...are you on like ...steroids or something" comment a lot. What I usually say is: "well, that depends. If you're into bad boys then I inject a fucking gallon a week. If you don't, then I'm clean". That usually makes them laugh and leave it at that.

The only thing that seems to be somewhat universal is that most women (90%+) like guys who are ripped. So six pack abs is a sure winner. Gigantic pecs and biceps will get you laid a lot, but usually with a certain niche of women.


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every girl is different, but as mentioned above a VERY high percentage are looking for the standard six pac, nice pecs, huge V-taper, and proper styling to show all of that off.

basically an ideal physique is something tall ( in reference to the woman, if shes 5'0 than 5'8 is fine.)

Vtaper/Broad shoulders

enough muscle mass in your arms

Pecs

Abs


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the chest! the biceps! the triceps!! and the broad shoulders


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brad pitts body in fight club.

Aslong as your shredded thats all that matters. Chicks dont actually look at size, just definition.

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The Ideal body composition is your genetic potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdJFbjWHEU


Proper Exercise,
and
Proper Nutrition

These two will allow your body to approach what is your genetic potential.
For some that is long slender muscles, for others it will be more bulk.
Regardless of which one you have, you'll approach the one that is encoded in your genes.

You cannot alter your genes (yet) Thus you cannot alter your potential muscle composition, and within short time you should be able to guess which way it's going.

I can bench 200, but that doesn't mean shit, I still have a slim body. (Like a swimmer, but I never swim.... unless to avoid drowning.)
I have a friend who can bench the exact same amount and he's bulky with large upper arms.

The point is; it's genetic.
With proper nutrition and exercise your body will recompose itself into that which is it's optimal state as encoded.
(consider it your state of perfect balance. It's where your body will function to the best of it's ability.)



As an example of the misconceptions at large;
people start swimming in order to get the swimmer's body.

By the same token of logic I should start doing basketball in order to get taller.

It's not the activity that creates the body, it just applies selective pressure (equal to evolution by natural selection, but much much higher competitive pressure.)
This is correct. Good thing about this too, it aint the 80's anymore meaning you don't have to be like Arnold anymore. In fact the inbetween cut and muscular look is in.


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brad pitts body in fight club.

Aslong as your shredded thats all that matters. Chicks dont actually look at size, just definition.
Agree'd when i watched fight club every chick in the cinema gasped when pitt took his shirt on in scenes, even the cat i was with at the time :twisted:

... But yeah he's right its just like a car, they dont know what it is ... just the colour and....... the brand if youve got an intelligent girl :lol:

so just shred all the fat, down to about 7-11% and you'll be ready.


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