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i've done pretty much everything it seems. i work out a lot, try to eat healthy (even though i live on campus so its hard), and i've done a ton of other pointless shit that still has me with my thin physique. does anyone who was once thin have any secrets on how to gain weight?

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I was in a very similar position to you a few months ago.

It's definately nutrition that sets you on the right path. Its not eating healthy, its eating more.

If you dont eat alot in a day.. your muscles have nothing to use to feed on and grow.

Id recommend doubling your calorie intake a day (only if your exercising though!) otherwise it turns into fat which sends you backwards rather than forwards. I wouldnt concentrate on what you eat; rather than how much you eat. Obviously try and be healthy and eat plenty of protein which stimulates growth.

Also, purchase some protein supplement; and take around 3 times a day for added nutrition.

Make sure you find a weight lifting exercise program that involves heavy lifting with low amounts of reps to build muscle; rather than tone it.. that way your physique doesnt look the same.

Its a lot of hard work, but you can do it. I used to be 60kg at 6 foot 3 and now im edging 70kg in a matter of months.

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There is a "GOMAD" diet - Gallon Of Milk A Day. which allows you to get about 3000 calories extra in your diet.

'Fat' Milk or full milk is 35 grams proteine, 45 grams carbs and 35 grams fat per Liter, which is a good ratio. The low-fat milk is better for you (and your cholestrol) but makes you gain slower also, so it's your choice.

I hope you like milk :)
You are literally drinking a gallon of milk, each day, with this diet.

I tried this for 2 months and gained some kilo's, and I'm a hard gainer, and not much of a big eater so this was a welcome 3000 cal's a day extra!

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drinking that amount of milk everyday is very unhealthy ( according to multiple studies ) , it's better to drink unsaturated fats from plants.

Drink olive oil and workout alot ... i mean alot ... most guys have the improper training technique and unefficient training schedules.
increasing your total calories will not always increase your body weight, and there is a difference between fat gain and muscle gain therefore you need to work your ass off - better councel some professionals.
eating massive amounts of proteine doesn't work because you body can only absorb a certain amount a day. eating 100 gram or 50 gram of proteine ( or supplements ) is useless. Excess proteine will be converted to a substance that is harmfull for your body - ammonia - if you want kidney stones you should drink alot of milk and consume of proteine.

guys who take proteine supplements are wasting massive amounts of money , i've been athlete for years doing boxing on high level and running marathons/ sprints on how level. everyday i ran 20 kilometres, sparred 2 hours and hitted the weights with anaerobic trainining methods that were 1 hour long without any periods of rest between them ( under professional supervision ) - doing this for many years and using many supplements i have to say - olive oil was the only one that made me gain weight. i ate massive amounts of proteine without much effect only effected my wallet.
a proteine molecule take 6 times the amounts of water to digest/burn in comparison to a carbohydrate molecule. if You are in hot climates and if you run alot - don't eat too much proteine.

1. genetics
2. training method ( muscle build - long or short muscles etc )
3. diet
4. psychological mindsets
5. not skipping one single training day

one simple solution.... councel a experienced professional when it comes to training and diet.

reason why i don't hang around in sections like health and fitness is because most advice i give will not be taken to heart. i've trained with many people and trained many people myself - the deciding factor is mentallity - psychological mindsets. The majority of people don't have the motivation to work for several months/years straight - they think they will gain weight in 2 months or something- typical magic pill society mindset. the difference between a winner and loser is the right motivation and the right personal goals , persistence and courage.

1. Work on your mindset - psychological
2. Set goals
3. Determine how to achieve them
4. Determine what you need in order to do it ( tools etc ) .
5. Set up a time schedule ( how much to invest )
6. Educate yourself or do some counceling at a professional trainer/dietist
7. Follow the training regime with persistence
8. Try to notice any result or improvement, this is important because if a certain training method doesn't work you need to try out a new one or modify the existing one.
9. Diet , from a dietplan
10. motivation and persistence .... keep training for several months
11. Did you got the desired result or is it close to the desired result ? no ? if not then repeat all steps from 1 to 11.

most people don't have : 1,2,4,5,6,9,10 .... 90 % of the people don't have 10 and 11 and that's what seperates a dedicated athlete from a regular person. Most guys can't start from the beginning when they didn't got the desired result, they just give up.

1. eat
2. train
3. eat
4. rest

any disharmony between these 4 will fuckup teh desired results, rest is also important.
you don't have to train like a athlete , however you must have the same mindset and try to have the same ''knowledge '' set.
what works for most guys doesn't work for others , guys who are thin/sinny have bodies which are not adjusted to digest massive amounts of proteine - hoever they still do it because they've seen some fitness magazines.

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First you need to realise, everyones genetics are different.

Seeing good results takes time.

Nutrition is key, sleep is very important and don't overtrain.

Key to bulking is eating excess in what your body can burn off in any given day, try to keep it good food though, unless it's pure bulk you want.

Get a shake, preferably a weight gainer and some Creatine Monohydrate.

Train atleast 3 times a week, and I promise you, results will come, quickly and look good.


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I am 6 ft 5 and had the same problem. So I ate a lot and then as well as very strong, got fat. I then read extensively around the subject and trained hard (cardio also) and still got fat.

The last 2 posts contain great advice (although before I went on a sky high protein diet, I consulted my physician who said that consuming protein in large amounts is not bad for you, contrary to popular opinion. He was more worried about the effects of the additives in the supplements and the psychological effect of eating dog shit foods 6 times a day for long periods).

It will take months and years, there is no short-cut, despite what the adverts say - it is bull. If it's too good to be true, it is!

I only started making great gains when I started being trained by the 2003 british body building champion - you absolutely need good, trusted, proven pro guidance, else you'll be pissing in the wind. In short, you'll just get fat. And you will need to eat lots of protein, 6 times a day throughout the day as your body cannot store protein. And lifting heavy for mass and light for toning is a myth. The first thing my trainer did was get me off heavy weights. All it did was get me injured and looking like a power lifter. A good trainer will never give you the same workout twice, thereby always 'shocking' the body. But you must get help - do your research to get someone good.


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I am 6 ft 5 and had the same problem. So I ate a lot and then as well as very strong, got fat. I then read extensively around the subject and trained hard (cardio also) and still got fat.

The last 2 posts contain great advice (although before I went on a sky high protein diet, I consulted my physician who said that consuming protein in large amounts is not bad for you, contrary to popular opinion. He was more worried about the effects of the additives in the supplements and the psychological effect of eating dog shit foods 6 times a day for long periods).

It will take months and years, there is no short-cut, despite what the adverts say - it is bull. If it's too good to be true, it is!

I only started making great gains when I started being trained by the 2003 british body building champion - you absolutely need good, trusted, proven pro guidance, else you'll be pissing in the wind. In short, you'll just get fat. And you will need to eat lots of protein, 6 times a day throughout the day as your body cannot store protein. And lifting heavy for mass and light for toning is a myth. The first thing my trainer did was get me off heavy weights. All it did was get me injured and looking like a power lifter. A good trainer will never give you the same workout twice, thereby always 'shocking' the body. But you must get help - do your research to get someone good.
Pretty much spot on, natural training takes a long time, hence why people get onto roids. Personally training and gradual improvement keeps me going, because I'm 21 and working to something, started training at 19 and have seen changes, so hy the time I reach 25, I should be in good shed.

Another good way to keep focus is change training programme, every 3-4 months.


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Thanks Chelios. Re the roids, my PT said that it's a waste of time (and health) to take then before you've trained for a long time and pretty much reached your natural limit anyway. As you know, you can always spot the gym guys misusing gear anyway - they don't train particularly hard, they eat shit and look bulky (fat).

The leaner guys who take lots of gear tend to have to hold their abs in, they get this weird shape where everything looks awesome but for a protruding gut!!

Best to go natural, with a complete lifestyle change and accepting that it takes a long time. But you can still get great results (and be tremendously fit and healthy in the bargain!)


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you don't need creatine monohydrate , there is no need for extended supplement uses. Studies show that you can get enough creatine by eating foods like fish etc, Creatine monohydrate only works for people who train ''everyday'' like professional bycicle runners like armstrong. if you hit weights in sets of certain techniques wiht rest between them you don't need creatine , your body only uses ATP / creatine monohydrate if you train a anaerobic schedule - anaerobic training is professional training ... you take the maximum weights - perform the exercise and without any rest between sets you continue to the next exercise all done as fast as possible.

you let your body use energy systems that don't use oxygen, carbohydrates(and some fats) need oxygen to burn but this is a slow gradual process ( like jogging) , if you train hardcore like a spartan with anaerobic exercises meaning you use certain energy systems because you don't have the recovery time and oxygen available to use energy sources like carbohydrates /fats - your body switches to ATP. if you don't do anaerobic trainings you don't need creatine supplementing... because you don't use much creatine anyway.

You only use creatine if you train like a professional athlete , don't use what you don't need. Most guys have extensive brainwashing by fitness gurus and fitness magazines but those are designed to make you in a hardcore-customer. you don't need creatine supplementing unless you are armstong , train anaerobic exercises and train at least 4 times a week. Most guys use supplements because unconciously they want results they don't see yet , they want to take the magic pill easy path.
in my experience ... the only thing that does work is a weight gainer but only if you don't have the time or resources to eat enough during the day. maybe due work or school you don't have the time to eat - weightgainer does not contain all the healthy stuff - you need to eat vegetables and so forth.

examples of anearobic exercises:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRVW6u_JAmA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRQk7igmhhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_1CWrtbRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN7RfhrufjE

if you don't train like this you don't need supplements , i train with people who are experienced and those traine professional for many years - most of them don't use supplements and win contests/ competitions. i didn't use supplement and i have beaten / won from guys who did use extensive supplementing.

Don't change program every 4 months , when you begin you need to work on certain weight lifting techniques , proper wrist / hand placement and proper pushing movements etc. Before you take the heavy stuff you need to train technique slowly and gradual - you don't want a folded wrist from a wrong bench press pushing technique. when you got a good base and the basic techniques under your belt you can go harder ann heavier.

Change your program everyday , when your body gets accustomed to a certain schedule or exercise it doesn't work anymore. i see guys doing the same exercise the same technique everyday - the grab the same device like the peck deck and do this every training day.
Get information about :

1. aerobic exercises
2. anaerobic exercises
3. isometric training exercises

guys that hit weights in the gym only do aerobic exercises , don't let your body get stuck in the comfort zone because repeating something too much will reduce growth efficiency. Don't do fixed weights or machines too much , use barbells and dumbells allot ! fixed weights like peck deck etc doesn't train your tendons that maintain the right stability. Using fixed weights doesn't make you stronger like you think you do, if you hold a lose weight into your hand you need to keep it balanced otherwise it goes left or right too much, fixed weights don't have this training effect and only lays the emphasis on major muscle groups - not the small minor muscle groups that you need for complete flexebility.

ALso realize that your train different muscle fibers , you have fast twitch muscles and slow twitch ( quick reflex muscles and slow gradual power muscles ) fast twitch is active when you sprint or jump and slow fibers are active when you need to lift weights ( more slow and gradual movement ).
with most araeobic training methods you only train slow twitch muscle fibers , that's why body builders or guys that hit weights alot can't punch fast. With anaerobic exercises you use way more fast twitch muscles.

isometric exercisis is holding weights in a fixed position , this exercise is used for maintaining/ training muscle stability - which is important - i don't think i need to give a explenation about this. just look on the internet.

what im telling is massive simplified information and the tip of the iceberg , go to a professional coach/trainer.

to give you some motivation .... i've been training on endurance for years , however about 3 years ago i visited a professional coach because i wasn't satisfied with my strength training program. He was not some noob , not some basic fitness guru but a real deal ex-mountain climber ( climbed mount everest ). i adopted new diet and a changed my training methods - anearobic training and a new training schedule for every day. After 4 months i had Massive condition and muscle gain - as a lightweight i went from 68 KG to 77 KG in 4 months and notice this is muscle gain not fat gain. I invested lotsa time and money into it , also notice i was a athlete and not some random civilian guy who wants to look good. ypu have to put in massive amounts of dedication, not only working out but also training your mind and getting information about training your body in general.

there are alot of good books and movies on the internet , lots of health articles as well . If you decide to buy any supplement i recommend you to read some articles/studies first , most of them prove you don't need certain supplement or certain supplement don't even work.

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To be fair though, if you get the eating, training, sleeping, drinking (lots of water, no beer), limit alcohol, etc..... in other words, do it pretty obsessively, a beginner will made huge overall gains in 6 to 12 months. You'll feel great. I'm a year in with the pro trainer and have transformed the way I look and feel. But there is still a long way to go - guess I'm looking at 3 years in total...but I am really going for it. Good luck!


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The latest post is correct; you aren't going to gain anything if your regularly going to the gym but your sleeping pattern is wrong and you are going out drinking all the time.

A few small sacrifices lead to a great sucess short and long term.

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The same things that make it hard to lose weight make it hard to gain weight for (un)lucky people such as yourself. No one is ever happy :)
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wow, there's alot of incorrect information in this thread.

Consult your physician or subscribe to menshealth.


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The key to getting big/slim/cut is... Diet - Training - Rest - Supplements help.


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I have a similar problem myself, the olive oil is an interesting idea for extra calories, I just tried a sip now... and it tastes like hell! Any suggestions of whether there's anthing to add to it to make it taste a bit better, or is it something you become used to over time?


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