Its been a while since I've visited this site, and while I was skimming through the health and fitness section, I noticed some disturbing misinformation. Instead of replying to every thread, I'm starting this one as a bit of a wake up call.

The Ugly Truth is that neither eating more protein or upping calorie intake causes you to gain more muscle from working out. Doing these things are going to make your gut bigger, and your wallet smaller, while giving you no physical muscle building benefit. As much as we all wish that it was not true, the myth of eat big to get big, is just that, a myth. There is no scientific evidence that proves that excessive calories or protein adds to muscle building. In fact, numerous studies have shown that it does NOT add to muscle building.

Now obviously, if you are malnourished eating more is going to help. But to those that are not malnourished, spare your wallet and gut, accept the truth.

Andy Roony

No wait comeback you forgot this



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpFuLKzDggc




Epic internet Dear Jon post!!!!

Thankyou

"Max contraction" Diet- about 2:50 in

http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/0d71c ... ttle-part4


"Body by Science" diet-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToGt_GYC ... re=related

And where is your scientific evidence to prove this theory?

its a necessity, not a performance enhancer.
once you eat ENOUGH, more will not help, in fact it will "make your gut bigger, and your wallet smaller" as you put it ^^
your point is one hundred percent correct but.. are there really people out there who think differently? and how much do they weigh?

The OP is precisely correct.

First of all, you cannot take at face value the information given to you by nutritional supplements and exercise companies. If telling you that you need X amount of protein helps them sell more product, of course they are going to tell you that!
These companies do not rigorously test their products because 1) they are not required to and 2) because such testing is extremely expensive - in other words, such testing would severely hurt their profit margin. The testing I am referring to is the Double-Blind testing that all FDA-approved medications must undergo.


Second, here are the facts per the bigger protein studies:

Studies estimate that one must eat 1 gram of protein per 1 kilo of body mass due to muscle. Mass due to fat does not count.

For those who do endurance training (long distance running, etc.), it is 1.5 grams of protein per 1 kilo of body mass.
For those who lift weights, the muscles are used more efficiently and thus the normal amount of protein (1 gram per kilo of body mass) is enough.

Most Americans eat much more protein than necessary. This extra protein is filtered by the kidneys then flushed out of the body. Too much extra protein is known to put stress on the kidneys.

150 lb = 68 kg = 102 grams of protein

3 cups milk = 24 grams of protein
1 peanut butter sandwich (whole wheat) = 17 grams of protein
1/4 lb of beef = 23 grams of protein
1 cup of white rice (measure when uncooked) = 16 grams of protein
1 can of beans = 15 grams of protein

The moral of the story is, if you have no dietary restrictions, you should have no problem getting enough protein throughout the day.

If you are vegan (like myself), you will have to eat a lot of food to get enough protein. However, the food you eat will be low calorie and ultra-filling, not only due to fiber, but also due to sheer amount of food.

I do not feel like going link hunting, so if you want to find the studies to back up this information, do a couple Google searches.

_________________
Sorce
---------
The journey has begun. My field reports: http://sorcepua.blogspot.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzA-E8zb ... re=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToGt_GYC ... re=related

I don't know where you're getting your information from but I have an immediate family member who is a full time athlete. He boyfriend is on a human bio course at Loughborough. Protein within 20 - 30 minutes after you exercise will go towards your muscle growth. After this time it is pointless but before it definitely helps. If you don't eat right you won't bulk up. Carbohydrates do give energy to cells for protein synthesis and use but proteins which are ingested go to three places. Excess proteins pass through, important proteins are used immediately and non specific proteins are transformed into useful ones by your body. I'm sure everyone who's had a protein shake or similar after exercise always feels 'less shake' and stronger' immediately after

Niceboy

Protein can make you just as fat as carbs they dont just pass through . I forget what the process is called but certain amino acids are broken down and "mimic" glucose (i believe) and stimulate insulin levels "dont make me look it up cause I will'' it was in The Max Contraction books and Body By Science book.

Final word-
You dont need extra anything! 16 extra calories a day to build 10 pounds of muscle over the course of a year. Protien has been made an issue in order to sell you a consumable good its a fuckin business. eat a well balanced diet train hard (intensly), allowing enough time between workouts for recovery than growth.

No gym science (jerk off science). WAKE UP and realize its a business that is set up to see you fail, so they can make more money.

Yo,

Please do look it up as i'm genuinely interested. But you say you only need a few extra carbs but when you look at athletes, not even full time sports people, the calorie intake is 1,000's higher than mr average not teens.

Protein can and does pass straight through the body through deamination blah blah blah. It can be used in respiration too but the energy outcome is much lower than glucose. The major thing is that portein can't be stored in the body which is why i don't believe it can 'make you as fat as carbs'. Going back to basics everyone should know that protein is for growth and repair. If it does stay in the body, it's not for long. Protein and insulin - i know nothing.

I completely get what you mean about the franchise of it all. Simplist advice is to eat when your hungry and after exercise to replenish what you loose in your workout. I'm just not completely agreeing with the biology that protein doesn't help you at all after you've done a session

Niceboy

Just what I didn't want now i have to find where I saw that, it was buried well in one of those books.

As I remember one of those Amino Acids that began with a A is broken down and "mimics" glucose and the process has a name. I will find it.

Okay, let's take this from the top. The information comes from scientific studies and common sense. The 20-30 minute "window" after you work out, is a flat out lie. Its just a marketing scheme to make you think you need protein immediately after you workout, otherwise you don't get full results. And its inconvenient to try to consume protein through whole foods during this window. Therefore people buy protein supplements, like shakes or bars, to try to get the most out of their workout. But sadly, the "protein window" is a lie, and thus the end result is the supplement companies make more money, and you don't see anymore results. As far as "if you don't eat right you won't bulk up" goes, that is a half-truth that leads to huge misconceptions. I'll assume that when you say bulk up, you mean build muscle, since trying to gain fat would be silly (even though that is all you accomplish by eating more). As far as muscle building goes, there was a fat loss study recently that had the participants eating an insanely low 800 calories a day. The participants showed no adverse affects on muscle mass. There was also a separate study in which participants ate a very large 4000 calories a day, and those participants showed no greater gains in muscle mass than the control groups. So its pretty obvious that the amount of calories does not affect muscle growth rate. And onto excess protein not making you fat... I'm really not sure how it isn't self-evident that excess calories (regardless of the type of macronutrient) will be stored as body fat. It is true that simple-carbs are processed quicker, but protein is still processed.

I agree with you behindthefog

Why are we having this huge conversation?

Bottom line is, it's called 100% of your daily intake for a reason.

If you consume 5000 grams of protein a day, it'll just make you fatter.

My friend works out all day and is super buff.

And you know what I tell him?

"Girls still prefer my body more than yours, unless you're trying to impress guys I've got you beat, and I work out maybe once a week!"

_________________
THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR BREAKING RULES 2, 3, 8, AND 9

No one feed the troll!!!!!