While I agree with you, I might have to add some note to this. Heres the thing. I was weighed 130lbs 5'10" struggling on curling 20lbs in each side and benching 80lbs last JULY '10. Now JULY '11, I weigh 150lbs 5'10" curling 45lbs/each and benching 200lbs with a new set of 8 packs. I went through p90x for 3 months to get extremely ripped. Like all of you guys, I was going for the "ripped look" than the big and bulky.

BUT. you see. this comes with a price. Despite all my hardwork, this "ripped look" is nothing when you're inside a club/bar and you have it covered under that shirt. Yes, the girls who have seen me with my shirt-off, and the girls who have ran her fingers all over my body while dancing go ga-ga on me and I get laid, but the first look from afar,"definition" alone is not gonna get you noticed. Unless you go to beach parties, which I do

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The ideal body has at least one robot limb capable of firing rockets.

Seriously, how can a girl feel any safer than when she's with a dude that fires rockers out of his arm.

LOL @ DJ_Z

I have a slightly different opinion than the average. Though most women will drool over a six pack, giant chest and biceps, most gorgeous women will tell you that a perfect body builder guy is only nice to look at. If that was the only thing going for them, they would only be interested to satisfy curiosity of being with them, after which the intimidation of being "too perfect" would cause a lot of insecurities to quickly crumble any gains.

The "IDEAL" body in my opinion is trim, with some muscle, a hint of tone and good upright and forward posture and body language.

Think Sean Conery as James Bond, that kind of body will turn heads from every type of girl, not just the jock lovers or muscle worshipers. Guys that spend so much time in the gym and on sports working for the "perfect body" typically spend so much time on it that girls view it as a turn off. They don't really care about all that extra perfection, it just makes them feel self conscious about their own bodies.

Yes a greased up brad pit in his late twenties will get the pick of the litter in most situations, but it will be a one time thing from the girls perspective and they will assume so not matter what you tell them. They just wouldn't feel "safe" with that type of guy for more than one night. (generally speaking).

Besides, first impressions count, but EVERY woman will tell you, looks beyond the general fit package are not important to keeping a girl interested.

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Women THINK they know what they are attracted to. The reality is, they don't know what they are attracted to. The fact is a guy can come along who is so physically and characteristically unlike her perfect guy and seduce her. The same is true with guys but to a much lesser extent.

I've seen it with my own eyes.

Don't focus on the gym unless you see it as something you NEED to work on. I was getting pussy as a fat ass and one of the best guy at seduction I personally know is 16 stone and a little over 16 Stone. (Fat as fuck.)

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