Fucking lemmings

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I want to be clear with you on this one. As a vegetarian, I have plenty of other options when it comes to my food intake than SPAM and tofu. Again, I'll hook you up on some source litterature - real scientific litterature, not blog posts and web articles. But if you want to take a shortcut, just read the article in the first post of this thread - which I will assume you have avoided - it does bring up a lot of correct, interesting facts.

Nah.

If someone who wants to discuss things changes the content of my post in a quote supposed to be coming from me, then there's no point in discussing further. You are not here to discuss but to proselytize.

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To get an equivalent amount of protein obtained from eating meat one would have to eat a grossly disproportionate serving of greens.

Meat is a necessary evil, if you want any kind of muscle at all.

Vegans think they will live longer than us, but they don't realize they are 100 times more likely to be murdered mid conversation.

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That is true. Did you also know that you get waaaay too much protein in an average meat based diet? You know how much meat people ate a couple of thousand years ago? Around 50-100 gram a day, the rest of their diet consisted of vegetables. I've read this in various literature but most interestingly in the swedish book "Wild plants as food and medicine", great read (I got inspired by the movie Into The Wild and started reading up on that shit lol, great stuff).

The protein issue is like some weird religion thing to me, everyone's hysterical about it but no one know the first thing about how it actually works inside the human body, just that it BUILD MUSCLES and that's good, right? The same way milk BUILDS BONES and that's good too, or at least everyone thinks so... but maybe that's just my biased stance because I've never had any symptoms of protein (or calcium) defficiency. Lol yeah, that's so true. Someone asks me "So what do you eat instead of meat?" and when I try to explain they get all defensive and up in my face on how they could NEVER be vegetarian and don't give one shit about their health cuz meat tastes sooo good and the animals can go fuck themselves and bla bla bla... Been there a thousand times.

All I'll say is a lot guys here are using "broscience" to argue their point.

For everyone else who is smarter, take your time, read the article, and make up your own mind.

If you want to argue the points in the article, I would be happy to, but no broscience here bro.

did you guys know that most of the protein that you consume isnt being used? and a large amount of that protein goes straight into your poo? that is why some eastern counties have adopted cooking up thier poo and eating it .


DEAD SERIOUS

The nutritional science currently says that eating a lot of meat is probably not healthy. The evidence behind it is pretty weak though, as with most of nutritional science.

I read a few comments but glossed over most of them since they are mostly wrong.

1. From an evolutionary perspective humans are designed to eat meat and thrive on it.
Look at the research of Eaton, Cordain, Weston A Price, and any anthropology textbook.

2. The 'everyone eat lots of plants and live like a veggie' is a new idea and in history has only previously be used for spiritual purposes. Traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda both recognise the healing power of meats. I note these traditions since it is medicine based in large part on food, they have thousands of years of empirical observations behind them and a lot of wisdom in them.

3. Meat is very nutrient dense. The two most nutrient dense foods are Beef liver and Oysters. Check out Mat Lalonde's work on this if you dispute it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwbY12qZcF4

4. Meat is also a complete protein containing all the essential amino acids.

5. Quoting a series of studies is a facile way to reason. Science is by nature reductionist and can be very misleading. For instance, 5% of the weight of vegetables is devoted to chemicals designed to kill you (credit Steve Fowkes). Are you going to stop eating vegetables? No, of course not. This is just to illustrate how isolating one component of food can lead to absurd conclusions. Moreover many molecules in food balance each other out, negating their effect.

Also the fact the science especially new science gets frequently overturned every few years makes it a weak way to argue.

6. Conventional raised meat is bad for you, and this can account for the large amount of data 'against' meat.
- fed on grain, which increases saturated fat and omega 6s, and decreases monounsaturated fat
- fed on moldy grain which leads to animals storing mycotoxins in their fat, which we then eat
- many cows are diabetic before they are slaughtered, they fed them expired candy
- Growth hormone and antibiotics routinely used in the US, these also get stored in the animals fat, which we then eat
- grain fed meat is lower in nutrients across the board (vitamins, CLA, etc.)
- when meat is cooked at higher temperatures (meat today is mostly consumed like this) it forms carcinogenic compounds (note meat was not traditionally ate like this, it was normally stewed)

7. Animals foods are basically the only sources of bio available B12. Yes I am sure there is some obscure algae you can get B12 from but is it bioavailable? And, even if it is the fact that it is so obscure indicates this was not the traditional (evolutionary) source of B12 for humans.


Please note, im not saying everyone has to eat loads of meat. Some people do better with less, others with more, we are all biochemically individual. (of course the meat has to be grass fed/ organic and properly prepared to be healthy).

However, almost everything wrote in the field of health has a terrible bias:
Person tries diet X. Diet X makes them feel good.
Then, they 'look' at the research and 'find' that diet X is scientifically supported.
Finally, they tell everyone else you need to eat diet X, diet X is the holy grail, the be all and end all of health and vitality.



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You're not going to get a true answer here. We are all biased and there's much literature backing up both diets that at the end, it's your choice. My advice would be to reduce your consumption if you eat meat in every meal, every day. I am no nutritionist but I'm under the impression that there's an excess of animal product in the traditional western diet.

I've been slowly eliminating animal products on my diet. I don't eat beef, pig, seafood, fish and I can't eat eggs so my transition is about eliminating white meat and dairy products. The reason I'm doing it slowly is because I grew up in a family where everything was served with a side of meat with no much variety in the food so I'm building up my vegetarian recipes. Currently I'm at a level where 98% of my diet is vegetarian and my motivation is ethical. That 2% I eat it outside home.

Tip: If you want a complete vegetal protein you can eat Quinoa.

I've been reading up on the pros and cons of meat. It seems that the key is digestion and to focus on food that are easily digested such as fish, shrimp, oysters, etc. Pork is the most difficult to digest, taking at least 5 hours. Red meat is also difficult to digest.

The combination of food type is also important. Avoid eating rice and meat together because they require different digestion environments. Therefore either eat a meal of vegetable and rice. Or eat a meal of vegetable and meat. Fruit should be eaten alone. Google it for more details.