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Twin Muscle workout, they answer all these questions. They've been real helpful for me. I've made loads of strength gains at the Gym in the past year and a half and put on alot of mass.
I used to be 6'3 140lb. Skinny as hell.

Im now 6'4 165lb. Im not saying i've put on 25lbs of muscle but i have gained alot.

Also IF (Intermittant Fasting) is the fastest way to lose weight period. Has to be done in conjunction with a good diet and exercise routine though like anything else.


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You iether just dropping in and not reading everything I wrote or you just missed what I wrote so here it is again.

1. If you are covering your macros and doing your time at the gym how can you not gain the result you want.

2. I didn't say you only loose fat. The bulk then cut is a perfect example. You will loose muscle with fat but if you cover your macro an not go to an extrem deficit youll minimize muscle lose.

3. Note I said 10% deficit and not a set 500 cal or 300 cal. For the same reason. A person on a 1500 calorie with 500cal deficit will take a bigger hit than those on a 3000 cal on 500 deficit. That's why it's best to do percent so you don't go over to much where your body starts to work against you.

4. If your planning on keeping your weight down why would you start to eat your old maintenance? No shit you'll blow up again. Just because your weight is down down mean you can eat large amount. Your maintenance is now different so you should eat accordingly.

5. Ecto, endo and so forth is no longer a valid arguement. Calculate how much you need then try it out and adjust accordingly. There isn't a single calculator out there that will tell you your maintenance and I think people don't understand that.
You have to estimate what your maintenance is then try it out and see if you gain weight or loose weight.

Wether or not you have a fast metabolism or slow is irrelevant. Once you figure out your maintenance it don't matter.


And I was referring to the comment about carbs make you gain weight as bro science. Just like carbs at night make you gain weight.

Insulin causing or not is irrelevant to my point that your total intake is what really matter. I eat a lot of carbs all the time and didn't start gaining weight untill I started eating 3000 calorie.


And about keyo diet is actually centered around eating lots and lots of fat with only like less than 50g of carbs a day lol lots of fun at first but gets old lol

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Most people fail at this goal because they over complicate things with what they can or cannot eat, cheat meals, meal timing, supplement etc.

When all you need to focus on is counting calories.

Is it really that complicated to count calories vs giving up foods you like?

Is paleo the same as SPAM diet?
it's not nessicarily that simple man, calories in vs calories out controls your weight, not your body mass index, losing weight, does not nessicarily = losing fat, and wasting will lower your metabolism, the way my trainer simplified this to me a long time ago was, water goes first, then the carbs, then the fats, then the proteins, and if your deficit is large enough your body will eventually start conserving more fat, and wasting more proteins, and protein is instumental to fat loss as amino acids have a direct effect on your metabolism

alot of people give advice that suites their metabolism, and do not take into account for a persons specific body type or what their maintenance is, or how their body responds to different macro nutrients (endo, meso, ecto will all require substancially different diets)

saying it's just living in a deficit will make you lose weight, yes, you are right there, but lose enough weight and go back to eating at your old maintenance and before you know it, you are even bigger then you were before, and you will have lost gains made in the gym

also, SPAM and paleo are somewhat similar but not the same thing, paleo does not require your body to enter SPAM at anypoint, you are encouraged to stick to fruits, veggies, nuts, and meat, SPAM is more oriented around just meat and forcing your body to produce keytone bodies in order to replace glucose

carbohydrates causing your body to produce insulin, and insulin increasing fat production is actually real science, it is a very real thing, just like entering SPAM is a very real thing, bro science = eat penut butter when you are at a plateau and it will fix it's self, worked for me bro!


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You iether just dropping in and not reading everything I wrote or you just missed what I wrote so here it is again.

1. If you are covering your macros and doing your time at the gym how can you not gain the result you want.

2. I didn't say you only loose fat. The bulk then cut is a perfect example. You will loose muscle with fat but if you cover your macro an not go to an extrem deficit youll minimize muscle lose.

3. Note I said 10% deficit and not a set 500 cal or 300 cal. For the same reason. A person on a 1500 calorie with 500cal deficit will take a bigger hit than those on a 3000 cal on 500 deficit. That's why it's best to do percent so you don't go over to much where your body starts to work against you.
thanks for clearing that up for me man, good info, I'm glad you took the time to make sure the info I missed was there, it now seems more complete to me
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4. If your planning on keeping your weight down why would you start to eat your old maintenance? No shit you'll blow up again. Just because your weight is down down mean you can eat large amount. Your maintenance is now different so you should eat accordingly.
common sense is not so common, do you think a person who is looking for weight loss tips is already aware of this?
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5. Ecto, endo and so forth is no longer a valid arguement. Calculate how much you need then try it out and adjust accordingly. There isn't a single calculator out there that will tell you your maintenance and I think people don't understand that.
You have to estimate what your maintenance is then try it out and see if you gain weight or loose weight.

Wether or not you have a fast metabolism or slow is irrelevant. Once you figure out your maintenance it don't matter.
are you qualified to even be making these kinds of mis-informed statements?, are you a trainer?, nutrionalist? do you have a trainer/nutrionalist? have you even made big gains/losses?, do you have friends who have different body types from your own that have made big gains and losses? DO YOU EVEN LIFT? (lol ignore the last one trolololol)

but seriously, metabolism and body type is extremely important when it comes to setting your macros, saying it is irrelivant makes you seem fairly mis-informed, different body types require different macros, a hard gainer needs those extra carbs for the protein sparring effect to come into play, where as a carb sensative endo needs to just eat clean as fuck and pass his maintenance, where as a meso can just do what you suggested and has alot more room to play around with his macros as long as he stays fairly clean and doesn't go to far from maintenance

now, lets use my buddy and myself as an example to support this, I myself am an endo (but currently very fit), my maint is around 2200 cal/day@rest, if I am bulking and I allow simple carbs to enter my body above maintenance, I will blow up, seriously BLOW THE FUCK UP (one cheat day can cost me about 4 lbs if I eat dirty and that is after the other 8 lbs of water drop off), but if im hitting past maintenance while eating clean, there is almost no fat gain at all (but one fuckup with some sort of junk food and that is it... BOOOM, damage control mode)

now, I have a buddy, who is an extremely skinny ecto, his maint we figured out to be somewhere around 3400 cal/day@rest, it took him 5 months, just to put on 4 lbs and he had to eat a fuck load, and he ate dirty just to get there, carbs have absolutely 0 effect on him when he goes above maint, he can eat so dirty and it effects his body positively rather then negatively, just because his metabolism is so fast, his macro ratios are also way more carb reliant then my own in order for him to make gains (protein sparring effect), we experimented with different foods for him, and oddly enough pizza mixed in with some clean whole foods seemed to work good for him even though pizza is more filthy to eat then a filthy filthy bass drop
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And I was referring to the comment about carbs make you gain weight as bro science. Just like carbs at night make you gain weight.

Insulin causing or not is irrelevant to my point that your total intake is what really matter. I eat a lot of carbs all the time and didn't start gaining weight untill I started eating 3000 calorie.
this just seems like you giving advice based on your own metabolism and macro needs, why exactly is excess intake of carbs leading to insulin production that leads to fat storage, irrelivant to a disscussion on weight loss?

eating dirty when you are carb sensative on a deficit, you will not gain weight, but your cut will start going to shit because you are not eating clean enough, to stay under deficit there will always be a ratio, the cleaner you eat, the more likely you can meet your min requirements, if you are getting excess carbs, this makes your ratio more in favor of carbs then proteins does it not?, doing so would encourage fat storage (due to higher levels of insulin in the body), and if your body is trying to hold onto it's fat stores, where do you think more energy is going to be taken from once the carbs run out and your body doesn't want to give up those fat stores?

^ why advocate that this is not so for people to take as advice when those people are most likely carb sensative?
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And about keyo diet is actually centered around eating lots and lots of fat with only like less than 50g of carbs a day lol lots of fun at first but gets old lol
sure is, somewhere around 20/80 - 40/60 protein to fat ratio, your carb macros are dependant from person to person, but you should try to refrain from eating 20g of carb or more in an hour as your body could revert from SPAM, you should avoid carbs all together if you are going SPAM if you can

and I agree, eating meat all day with a couple nuts here or a small salad there sucks a big giant donkey dick

anyways, look forward to your response, ttyl


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Twin Muscle workout, they answer all these questions. They've been real helpful for me. I've made loads of strength gains at the Gym in the past year and a half and put on alot of mass.
I used to be 6'3 140lb. Skinny as hell.

Im now 6'4 165lb. Im not saying i've put on 25lbs of muscle but i have gained alot.

Also IF (Intermittant Fasting) is the fastest way to lose weight period. Has to be done in conjunction with a good diet and exercise routine though like anything else.

What is the highlighted please, thanks!

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im kinda tired.. the sequence and construction of this reply kinda sucks so sorry for that.

well .. first of all... everything said here is not relevant at all. because everyone has different biochemistry and metabolisms. if you want to get more muscle mass , just eat more proteine and work out.. it's the easiest thing ever - quitte superficial... but if you want to be more specific you need to handle everything .

Skillz just presented a superficial workout plan that works if you don't have a workout plan - or if you don't do any sports.. or if you have incorrect workout schedules.

Getting into a debate is kinda stupid because first of all all the things you guys are saying is just surface level stuff. If you really look deep you get into science, biochemistry , enzymation, hydroxylation etc. you are getting into more difficult territory.

if you are fat and unhealthy working out is not the healtiest thing. you need to reduce any stress before committing to more stress ( working out). This can be done by having a raw food diet mostly veggie and cutting away most carbs - 2 to 4 raw eggs daily for the cholines,crude proteine and rare amino acids like cystine. second by proving micronutrients like niacin or niacimide you can lower LDL and increase HDL... 500 mg daily for 6 months is enough ( if you don't have any vasculair disorders ). niacimide also increases glycogen secretion (the liver ), this is relevant for people who are overweight in any way because they can cut carbs untill they achieved the right results. niacin and niacimide are not the same... niacin has more function but has different side effects and additional benefits.

you don't have to wait 6 months before working out... just do little amounts of it daily, 10 pushups daily etc. gradually over time you increase your daily exercise a bit.

the time range from when you stop working out to - 30 mins after the workout is the time that you get a secretion of hormones, including growth hormones ( repair and grow etc ). IF you eat any high carb stuff after or at the end of exercise you only will spike your insuline which is a growth hormone antagonist. Carbs are not that bad.. you don't increase muscle cells.. you increase glycogen storage in muscle cells along with a small ATP increase... you need enough carbs to restore glycogen levels into individual cells. That's why vitamin B3 is important for overweight people because it increases muscle cell metabolism and increases glycogen secreted by the liver without needing a Carb dominant diet.

if you skip the diet part you will get real physical problems and disorders over a prolonged periods of time... i've seen it happen numerous times with athletes or just normal people. You can eat ALOT of shit if you work out enough but all this crap reduces anti-oxidants and increases free radicals.

if you use too much unhealthy foods your glutathione is saturated with different chemicals and free radicals. It's not just eating and proteine... like i said anti- oxidants are very very important and always overlooked by people. The more crap you ingest the more saturated your transport enzymes become - you get poor nutrition uptake etc.

actually im a trainer.. i also got my degree etc.. all those terms aren''t even important because individual biological make up is way more important than any method.

aside from all of that...

i've tested different diets.. the raw veggie diet sky rocketed my endurance and stamina to extreme levels, it's ridicilous. Heavy diets with alot of fats and proteines were the worst even tho they were more efficient regarding developing and gaining muscle mass. Just balance it , take the best of both worlds.

muscles mass is developed out of vitamins in correlation with amino acids ( like all hormones and other bodily tissues ), it's all enzymation and hydroxylations. Carbs are important but not them most important - your body can easily perform every biochemcial task with low carb intake... it only becomes a problem if you have intense anaerobic workouts without enough time for your body to regenerate. If you do low carbs you should avoid working out daily.... best results are achieved by 2 or 3 anaerobic exercises every week ( 2 is sufficient ).
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and I agree, eating meat all day with a couple nuts here or a small salad there sucks a big giant donkey dick
massive proteine intake sucks.. most proteines get converted into byproducts which are harmfull for the body. you can either take megadosages of micronutrients and force your body to create more biochemicals or you can stop wasting that much proteine and money. Prolonged excess proteine is harmfull for your organs ( kidneys) and gut flora.

Acid balance is also important.. people with acidic bodies lack magnesium and lack the ability to recouperate from intense exercise. if you are acidic some enzymes become in-active thus there will be a imbalance in the biochemical make-up. By taking certain amount of supplements ( sodium bicarbonate) AND eating lots of greens like kale or other cruciferious vegetables you get a more alkaline body which is WAY more efficient in enzymations. oxygen uptake and transport ( in blood /hemoglobin) is also way more efficient in people with alkaline bodies. im not talking about having PH 10 ... im more pointing the the right alkaline level that is between 7.0 to 8.0 PH.

All junk foods are total crap.. they totally fuckup Acid–base homeostasis.. here is a quicky from wikipedia...
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Acid–base homeostasis is the part of human homeostasis concerning the proper balance between acids and bases, also called body pH. The body is very sensitive to its pH level, so strong mechanisms exist to maintain it. Outside the acceptable range of pH, proteins are denatured and digested, enzymes lose their ability to function, and death may occur.
Sources of proteine is also important.. most proteine shakes designed and marketed for body building ( or just supplementation ) are in most cases byproducts of diary and highly inefficient and potentialy detrimental to your gut flora - because they have been denaturalized and extremely hard to digest. Every protein that has been denaturalized ; heated, contaminated or isolated with other chemicals lose most of their bioavailability.

if you want to get high quality protein you need to get a very high quality brand which is probably highly expensive. most brands are low quality and often contain alot of low quality casein which is responsible for alot of health problems. Having massive amounts of proteine without the proper amount of vitamins and proper acid-base levels leads to the imbalances and impaired biosynthesis of certain chemicals.

it's not that hard to cure people from psychological disorders... it's just a matter of therapy and playing with their biochemistry - trying to create homeostasis in the human body ( baloancing hormones and preventing oxidation of steriod hormones ). same for developing heal and muscle mass intelligently, it's playing with biochemistry...

for example.. if you take high dosages of niacin or any other B3 vitamin , like 1500 mg on a day you will slow down tryptophan to niacin conversion. 60 mg tryptophan is needed in order to biosynthesize 1 mg of niacin. if you don't get enough anti-oxidant to prevent oxidation of (micro)nutrients your body will convert all those precious amino acids to vitamins and other crucial primary components instead of using those amino acids for muscle growth/repair. IF you miss one aquadate vitamin and if you increase another you get imbalances which can lead to all kinds of problems.

this is all very real.. it's called biochemistry.. im not a official doctor but i actually get people off anti-depressants by increasing their niacin + niacimide intake, their tryptophan intake ( 1 or 2 gram a day , depending on individual biochemistry ) and high levels of vitamin C ( to prevent quick oxidation on hormones and steroid hormones ) and also reducing serotonin antagonists.... i lower their intakes over time to get them adjusted to the changes in serotonin without the side effects of addictive anti-depressants.

this is just a example... i play with my own biochemistry alot adjusting vitamin levels or other nutrients - trying to change/ temporarily modify my gene expression....any chemical can be adjusted as long there is a uptake.

IF you decide to take vitamin supplements you really need to watch out because most formulas contains cheap oxides and carbonates which are low in bio-availability. Vitamin C always have low bio-availability ( unless you buy C-ester ) it's like 20 %.....

my point is that low or medium quality supplements are crap in most cases.. most proteine shakes are crap and most vitamin supplements are crap - they are not bio-available enough and not efficient ( unless you alter them chemically ). Junk foods and processed food are crap.. you think some people can stand all that crap but meanwhile their acid-base homeostasis is thown of balance.. they can look ripped and healthy but deep inside they are very unhealthy. Raw unprocessed foods have maximum absorption and uptake in comparison with processed foods - that's on reason why raw foods diets are so efficient.

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THIS POST IS THE SKILLS METHOD TO FITNESS


Is the shit i have done to transform women(fixer upper gf), and the stuff that base on millions of people has work the most, body for life, p90x, insanity, crossfit...

My stuff is about simple stuff, to attract women, lose weight fast, and simple... thank You!

Every other post is fitness masturbation, which is exactly what i was trying to AVOID...

Again read the title of the threat, if you want complications, look for a member name OTIS, he knows fitness better than anybody in here... This is for people that are looking for fast and simple...

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Twin Muscle workout, they answer all these questions. They've been real helpful for me. I've made loads of strength gains at the Gym in the past year and a half and put on alot of mass.
I used to be 6'3 140lb. Skinny as hell.

Im now 6'4 165lb. Im not saying i've put on 25lbs of muscle but i have gained alot.

Also IF (Intermittant Fasting) is the fastest way to lose weight period. Has to be done in conjunction with a good diet and exercise routine though like anything else.

What is the highlighted please, thanks!
eating between a 4-8 hours window depending on how extre you want to make it. You still take in the same amount of calories just during a specific time window

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeViPIwDagY


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but seriously, metabolism and body type is extremely important when it comes to setting your macros, saying it is irrelivant makes you seem fairly mis-informed, different body types require different macros, a hard gainer needs those extra carbs for the protein sparring effect to come into play, where as a carb sensative endo needs to just eat clean as fuck and pass his maintenance, where as a meso can just do what you suggested and has alot more room to play around with his macros as long as he stays fairly clean and doesn't go to far from maintenance

now, lets use my buddy and myself as an example to support this, I myself am an endo (but currently very fit), my maint is around 2200 cal/day@rest, if I am bulking and I allow simple carbs to enter my body above maintenance, I will blow up, seriously BLOW THE FUCK UP (one cheat day can cost me about 4 lbs if I eat dirty and that is after the other 8 lbs of water drop off), but if im hitting past maintenance while eating clean, there is almost no fat gain at all (but one fuckup with some sort of junk food and that is it... BOOOM, damage control mode)

now, I have a buddy, who is an extremely skinny ecto, his maint we figured out to be somewhere around 3400 cal/day@rest, it took him 5 months, just to put on 4 lbs and he had to eat a fuck load, and he ate dirty just to get there, carbs have absolutely 0 effect on him when he goes above maint, he can eat so dirty and it effects his body positively rather then negatively, just because his metabolism is so fast, his macro ratios are also way more carb reliant then my own in order for him to make gains (protein sparring effect), we experimented with different foods for him, and oddly enough pizza mixed in with some clean whole foods seemed to work good for him even though pizza is more filthy to eat then a filthy filthy bass drop
Let me keep this short. They are irrelevant once you get your maintenance down. thats my whole point. I believe I even wrote that. "ONCE" you get your maintenance down.

Why would it matter if your ecto or endo etc if you know how much your suppose to eat? down right to macros?




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this just seems like you giving advice based on your own metabolism and macro needs, why exactly is excess intake of carbs leading to insulin production that leads to fat storage, irrelivant to a disscussion on weight loss?

eating dirty when you are carb sensative on a deficit, you will not gain weight, but your cut will start going to shit because you are not eating clean enough, to stay under deficit there will always be a ratio, the cleaner you eat, the more likely you can meet your min requirements, if you are getting excess carbs, this makes your ratio more in favor of carbs then proteins does it not?, doing so would encourage fat storage (due to higher levels of insulin in the body), and if your body is trying to hold onto it's fat stores, where do you think more energy is going to be taken from once the carbs run out and your body doesn't want to give up those fat stores?

^ why advocate that this is not so for people to take as advice when those people are most likely carb sensative?

Not basing it at all, but you seem to be. My point is simple. figure out your calorie maintenance/macro and eat above if you want to gain, eat below if you want to loose weight.

thats a generic rule and applys to both.


ps if your blowing up after your carb intake then your iether
1. over eating/ way over your maintenance
2. water weight. which is normal for those who dont take in carb then all of a sudden eat them.

as for your friend 4lbs in that time frame is a waste. he simple isnt eating enough.



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And about keyo diet is actually centered around eating lots and lots of fat with only like less than 50g of carbs a day lol lots of fun at first but gets old lol
sure is, somewhere around 20/80 - 40/60 protein to fat ratio, your carb macros are dependant from person to person, but you should try to refrain from eating 20g of carb or more in an hour as your body could revert from SPAM, you should avoid carbs all together if you are going SPAM if you can

and I agree, eating meat all day with a couple nuts here or a small salad there sucks a big giant donkey dick

anyways, look forward to your response, ttyl[/quote]

and you are aware that SPAM diet requires veggies with fibre and at the end of the day the carb in those veggies will add up to 20-50g. i


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im kinda tired.. the sequence and construction of this reply kinda sucks so sorry for that.
long reply,,, to complicated. all I can say if for someone who is a trainer Im rather disappointed that you made NO MENTION of MACROS. unless I missed it.

which means are you aware of the importance of macros?


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THIS POST IS THE SKILLS METHOD TO FITNESS


Is the shit i have done to transform women(fixer upper gf), and the stuff that base on millions of people has work the most, body for life, p90x, insanity, crossfit...

My stuff is about simple stuff, to attract women, lose weight fast, and simple... thank You!

Every other post is fitness masturbation, which is exactly what i was trying to AVOID...

Again read the title of the threat, if you want complications, look for a member name OTIS, he knows fitness better than anybody in here... This is for people that are looking for fast and simple...

im all for simple but it wont help the guys if they only have half the truth.




and again What exactly is complicated about counting calories?

is it that hard to count but where willing to analyse social dynamics?


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Twin Muscle workout, they answer all these questions. They've been real helpful for me. I've made loads of strength gains at the Gym in the past year and a half and put on alot of mass.
I used to be 6'3 140lb. Skinny as hell.

Im now 6'4 165lb. Im not saying i've put on 25lbs of muscle but i have gained alot.

Also IF (Intermittant Fasting) is the fastest way to lose weight period. Has to be done in conjunction with a good diet and exercise routine though like anything else.

What is the highlighted please, thanks!
eating between a 4-8 hours window depending on how extre you want to make it. You still take in the same amount of calories just during a specific time window

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeViPIwDagY

^ none sense omg!

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even tho i mensioned macros alot , macro are the least imporant.. they aren't even interesting.

large nutrients ( macro nutrients ) just consist out of a variation of small particles... thus looking to macro stuff is just surface level , it's superificial. If you want to know what a really good diet is you need to look at biochemistry, anything less detailed than that is just counting simple calories and proteines , every idiot can do that.

if you want to understand the human body and exercise you need to be : a trainer , biochemist, biologist ( anatomy etc ) and you need to know about physics. If you are just a trainer you knowledge would be highly restricted and superficial. you guys look to magnifying glasses... i look through microscopes and magnifying glasses.

anyway this is skillz his thread about his method - i don't feel the need to prove im right or anything.. im just stating pure facts.

trainers are just people who in general have no or almost no knowledge about biochemistry, physics etc....therefore there is no way you could understand individual biochemistry.

importance of macros lol....

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Fun thread...I think it's best to start out eating clean and doing simple workouts in the first three months just to condition yourself to a better lifestyle. I have not read the diets skills posted but if they are healthy and provide an adequate amount of nutrients, then you are set. Afterwards it would be better to analyze your diet and body in order to alter it to your needs the way Lode does. It is worth it, it's your life after all.

Macros play an important part in the beginning in order to control your bodyweight and fat loss, muscle building rations. It's an important skill that will help your short term and long term goals. You gotta remember, most bodybuilders and trainers just care about achieving your fitness goals as efficiently as possible. They won't delve deep into macro nutrients if they achieve their goals, feel good, and feel as they have a good enough or healthy diet. I've used Bill star's 5x5 intermediate program for a couple of months. It's popular but he even states that you will get good results even if your diet ain't great. He's so focused on lifting heavy and becoming huge and lean that long term goals for health seem irrelevant.


A lot of bro science comes into play when discussing how to be big and shredded because that's the goal they are after and will focus on. All of this atkins, SPAM, etc. diets mostly focus on that same goal and that's why macro nutrients become important there. However, if you want to be the healthiest you can be then you have to dig deeper and look at the bigger picture.

Also, regarding the difficulty of counting calories. Yes, it may not be as difficult to do but it sounds difficult and when people imagine doing a lot of work before they actually try it, they will just avoid it. It's a psychological effect. The more you think about it, the more work it seems to be and the more you will likely procrastinate. It's the same with pick up. Guys don't hit on HB9-10 every couple of night because they imagine it's difficult, they may fail, etc. so they avoid it.

This is why I recommend breaking things down and doing what's simple and good enough first, then everything else will be much easier since you've already made a lifestyle change.

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Lode, I'm really interested in a raw food diet. I want to first detoxify my body and was thinking of trying that sticky thread in the naturals subforum for 10 days, which consists of veggies, fruits and some nuts I believe, but afterwards I want to make a lifestyle change in order to improve my mood and my overall being. So, is there any books or websites you recommend for me and others to look deeper into this? I'm not sure if you have a main thread discussing that diet, but I really want to stop eating unhealthy food that seems to be everywhere I go. I will also work to adjust the diet to my fitness and bodybuilding needs.


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Fun thread...I think it's best to start out eating clean and doing simple workouts in the first three months just to condition yourself to a better lifestyle. I have not read the diets skills posted but if they are healthy and provide an adequate amount of nutrients, then you are set. Afterwards it would be better to analyze your diet and body in order to alter it to your needs the way Lode does. It is worth it, it's your life after all.

Macros play an important part in the beginning in order to control your bodyweight and fat loss, muscle building rations. It's an important skill that will help your short term and long term goals. You gotta remember, most bodybuilders and trainers just care about achieving your fitness goals as efficiently as possible. They won't delve deep into macro nutrients if they achieve their goals, feel good, and feel as they have a good enough or healthy diet. I've used Bill star's 5x5 intermediate program for a couple of months. It's popular but he even states that you will get good results even if your diet ain't great. He's so focused on lifting heavy and becoming huge and lean that long term goals for health seem irrelevant.


A lot of bro science comes into play when discussing how to be big and shredded because that's the goal they are after and will focus on. All of this atkins, SPAM, etc. diets mostly focus on that same goal and that's why macro nutrients become important there. However, if you want to be the healthiest you can be then you have to dig deeper and look at the bigger picture.

Also, regarding the difficulty of counting calories. Yes, it may not be as difficult to do but it sounds difficult and when people imagine doing a lot of work before they actually try it, they will just avoid it. It's a psychological effect. The more you think about it, the more work it seems to be and the more you will likely procrastinate. It's the same with pick up. Guys don't hit on HB9-10 every couple of night because they imagine it's difficult, they may fail, etc. so they avoid it.

This is why I recommend breaking things down and doing what's simple and good enough first, then everything else will be much easier since you've already made a lifestyle change.

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Lode, I'm really interested in a raw food diet. I want to first detoxify my body and was thinking of trying that sticky thread in the naturals subforum for 10 days, which consists of veggies, fruits and some nuts I believe, but afterwards I want to make a lifestyle change in order to improve my mood and my overall being. So, is there any books or websites you recommend for me and others to look deeper into this? I'm not sure if you have a main thread discussing that diet, but I really want to stop eating unhealthy food that seems to be everywhere I go. I will also work to adjust the diet to my fitness and bodybuilding needs.

What is the bill 5times5, anyways i like what lode says, is just he needs to break it down more simple i have no idea what macros is so is like chinese to me, anyways, sly link to the 5 times 5, remember i want the guys to get the muscular slender look, not the huge bodybuilder look, link please...

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