A lot of chicks will say, it's all about personality, but...it's not, is it? How important do you find issues like jobs an stuff to be when it comes to picking up girls/dating/relationships?

totally subjective to the girl, no matter your situation, there will be girls that like you, and girls that don't

you could be a billionaire and have plenty of girls not be interested,

you could be a male model and have plenty of girls not be interested,

you could be the most socially connected guy around and have plenty of girls not be interested,

you could be extremely confident and socially skilled and still have plenty of girls no be interested,

otoh, you could be good at these things and plenty of girls interested as well as plenty not interested, it depends on the girl in question and what she values in a sexual partner

obviously improve your life, but don't do it for women, do it for yourself, if you think putting all your focus into making money will get you more women, it probably won't, just putting more focus into meeting more women and forumulating a solid game plan would probably leave you better off in that department

confidence is absolutely number one for a guy when it comes to getting girls, knowing what you want, knowing how to get it, and knowing when to walk away when the girl doesn't have it

Money is huge, and not for the obvious reasons.

being rich means u dhv, u have social proof, u have power and influence, all things women love.

Regardless of what we want to believe, if in a night club, and the women there find out a billionaire is in the club, they are going to be checking him out all night, simply because of her curiosity.

It's like a celebrity, if a celebrity in the US goes to france, nobody there may not know he is a celeb, and it will mean nothing, and his game will have to do it.

If somebody tells the people in the club he is a famous celeb from the us, all the women will flock because of his perceived value suddenly skyrockets.

So Money, Looks, Status, Power, Influence, will probably trump "game" in most cases regardless of what people say. Your DHV stories, and smiling, and not being uptight, wont get u anywhere when standing next to a rich, handsome, celebrity.

But it may give you an advantage of regular folks on your own level

I wouldn't say that money matters (well except for the true golddiggers) but it matters what money can make for you.

It can take you to places, it allows you to do awesome stuff. I'm not saying you cannot be awesome without money, it's just easier with it.

But still, from my experience, beside the fact that money pays for my bills it only matters for traveling when it comes to women.

Basically my game plan is:

1. To be my playful self, the guy I found on my trip down the PU lane
2. Make it sexual (shows you are a. a sexual being, she starts to see her having sex with you as a possibility and b. confident enough about yourself )
3. Make as much kino as possible while I show her the pictures from that awesome trip I've been to with my friends

Having photos on your phone (or via facebook on your phone) is just pure gold. Why? It gives you a legitimate reason to get close to her; even if you are in a 10-set and she is furthest away from you you can go "Waaait, i just HAVE to show you pictures from/You might be interested in this, check this out!" and you can move in.

When I do that, I usually sit next to her and when i show her the pictures, i put the phone in her lap (while holding the phone with my hands). When I show her few pictures, kino is no problem (you can grab her leg, poke her while you are stating multiple facts, ANYTHING). And the best thing is, SHE WILL NOT OPPOSE TO THAT. In her logic thats just the way you are showing her the pictures.

Wow, waaaayyy off topic.

I'd say money matters if she is looking for a provider. Personally I don't look for that kind. Money wise I'm fine, don't drive a fancy car, don't have a fancy flat or anything. I do spend my money on my hobbies so i have interesting stories to tell but that's it.

If I see that girl really doesn't have money, I have no problem paying for everything. But that is after the fact she is willing to spend the last few bucks to go on a coffee with me I would go as far as convincing her to pay for everything because she is already benefiting from spending her time with me, but then I would pay for everything. It has better effect than just offering to pay for everything.

I try to keep my life in the frame of a guy who has enough, could afford more but chooses not to and has strong stand about why he chose this way while still being able to randomly "throw" some money away- like buying a new piece of electronic, art work, instrument, furniture, anything - and to do it in a way: Daaamn i could really use a new tv. And then get it in an hour. Not to do that every day, but few times a year.

This frame keeps me personally on the ground and able to work my ass of if necessary. And being modest is attractive, if you know why you buy "price/performance" stuff and not always the best. Be enthusiastic about why you chose Prius over a bmw m6 and how many trees and penguins you save that way. If you really mean it, girls have a way of seeing right through you

Money is a big deal, but mainly after you get passed the point of attraction and move into the relationship portion of the interaction. I've been with broke girls who had no means to pay for anything, so I HAD to pay their way otherwise it would've been impossible for us to hang out and do anything fun. Then I've been with women who earn twice as much as me, and eventually they realized that I'd never be able to contribute much to enhancing their lifestyle, so I lost social value in their eyes which became a major DLV, and eventually caused me to lose them.

All if this is especially true if the woman's last bf had money, or if she is interested in other dudes who have more money than you, which are your competition. Women, particularly attractive ones, have a lot of options with men. Why pick the $30k/year guy when you have a $70k and $100k/yr guys vying for your hand as well?

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Because some things are priceless

That's why you should build the reasons for her to hang out with you based not on your money and resources, but on your personality.

You can objectively say he has more money than you, but you can probably just say he has different[/b]personality from you.

It's only "only about personality" when you are financially equal to the girls and their suitors. You have to have the right cash to hang out in the right places, wear the right clothes, live in a decent neighborhood, have the right technology/phone and lifestyle. So in other words? Don't ever ever ever financially fall off the horse.

I have seen people do the whole follow your dreams, live your passion, be spiritual life thing expecting to find a good woman and end up empty handed. It's not just about personality. The world has some dark sides to it, and money is power and power earns your respect and it all gives you the possibility to separate yourself from catastrophe. Too much poverty and chaos in your life because of money problems is a big problem and is really unattractive.

My last solid girlfriend had way more money, influence and career success than me. She did like me for my personality, but I worked really hard to just get all the basics to get my foot in the door with her. If I didn't have every single thing I have, I would have been disqualified out of the gate. I had to have expensive clothes, live in a good neighborhood, have a good car, job etc. She was so successful though, that she resented guys trying to bribe her with vacations and bragging about their income. She didn't need that.

I had to learn the hard way that money is really important. If you are really young and your woman is young, she will be willing to get with you, just because of your potential, but once you get older, you better have a foundation or else you will be in danger of only getting with broke girls who are really damaged.

My new thing with women is that, before they can care about personality, it's important to be able to show off. Dance classes are expensive, good clothes are expensive, going to cool events where the action is at is expensive. Have some money ready so you can be around the A+ girls.

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What you sow is what you reap

Good post Reality Show;)

Yea, it's true, money is not only something that you'll be judged on, but it's a REQUIREMENT in order to wine and dine a higher class of women, especially as you get older. Women want to be flown somewhere on a plane, or taken out on the ocean in a boat. All that shit is expensive. Do you really think a pretty 30 y/o women will be content with dinner and movie dates for the rest of her life? It's doubtful.

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Money is massive. Most girls that will fuck you with money will fuck you without it. But when you're successful, you become the prize. They want to be around you. They want a chance to impress you and win you over. This isn't all girls, but this is most girls, and when they're in their mid to late 20's it's crazy how much of a difference a different colour credit card can make.

Also, look what money gets you. Better clothes, better access to the best bars and spots to meet women, confidence, the adulation of other men, power, security, and a lack of desperation. Because even if the girl you're talking to isn't impressed by anything you own, the fact that you know there are 99 other girls in the bar who are will give you a level of confidence and indifference that she will be attracted to.

What I will say, is that heaps of girls are turned off by guys who live for money. Live for yourself and your future instead of your bank account like some wall street dick, and you'll do great.

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La Dolce Vita.

Is not about money is about the guy who can MAKE money since he is showing resourcefulness

It's all about the type of girl. A young girl isn't going to be as concerned with money as an older one. Because she hasn't yet realized just how important money is. Also, the type of family she comes from will determine her pereception of guys with money. If she is poor, it won't be something she expects or looks for. But if she comes from money, you better believe she'll be looking for a guy with at least as much money as her. Then there's the looks part of it. If she is hot, she might develop a gold digger mentality and basically use her looks as a way to attract men with money. And she'll feel like only guys with a lot of money deserve her since she is the prize based on her looks. Her history with men is also relevant. If she has dated guys with money in the past, she'll get accustomed to that and then hold any future guys to that standard. If she has a history of dating broke guys, then she won't necesssarily even know what a rich guy is like, nor will she expect her next guy to be rich, or care if he isn't.

That's why you want to find out early on where the girl you are with stands when it comes to money. The best way to do this is to at some point give her the impression that you don't have much money (even if you do), that way you can gauge her response. If she doesn't seem to care, then you know that she's not a gold digger. If she makes a big stink about it, then you know that money will always be an issue for her.

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I think to put it quite simply; there are 2 stages money might have some effect;
A) the initial attraction stage (including fucking and casually dating), and
B) long term more serious relationships.

There are also two tiers of money that need to be discussed;
1) Super rich, famous celebrity millionaire/billionaire type rich, and
2) Everyone else.

Then all you need to think about is what girls want;
In the 'A' stage of initial attraction, they essentially want a thrill and some excitement.
In the 'B' stage they still want a thrill to some extent, but they also start to think about things like long term security, maybe kids, houses, cars, that sort of thing.

So let's apply what girls want to the two categories of wealth. If you are in category 1 - the super rich - then simply being super rich, very probably famous and very probably having some form of power in whatever field you're in means that you are the thrill yourself. The thrill of the chase and all that - if you're famous and rich, girls are going to love the thought of bagging someone so rich and powerful (in much the same way that we would with famous girls, it would be a brilliant bragging rights story if nothing else). So you're covered in the 'A' stage.

And obviously if you've got immense power and wealth, you're going to be able to look after the girl financially in the 'B' stage. So being super super rich makes it easier for you to attract AND to then keep a girl.

What about those in category 2, the normal guy and probably 99.9999% of people reading this forum?

Well for the 'A' stage of attraction, money isn't all that important. None of us - even those earning 2 or 3 hundred k a year or more as CEOs or similar - haven't got the same immense wealth that a celebrity has got so that doesn't give the girl a thrill. Instead, we need to find other ways to give them a thrill - which is what this forum is all about!

It's only when you get on to the 'B' stage that money will usually play a part. The thrill isn't enough to go into a long term relationship. Are you going to be able to give her the quality of life she wants? Now, let me be quite clear here - most people in the UK and US (and most places in the Western developed world) will have enough money to give basic necessities to anyone. If you're employed, chances are you can afford to rent a reasonable flat and buy food for yourself and one or two others. But that's not necessarily all we want nowadays in these countries; we want cars, nice clothes, fancy meals, long and exotic holidays etc. etc. So you have to balance your salary with the girl's salary and also her upbringing and what standard of life she's used to.

Essentially, as a very general rule (there will always be exceptions), if you're not earning about the same amount as or more than her, she can find someone who can offer her more in terms of long term security and quality of life.

So, to summarise, immense wealth is obviously going to work in your favour both for attracting and keeping girls. If you're not immensely rich, then to attract women money probably isn't going to be of major importance - as long as you can provide the thrill some other way (ie; personality or looks). However, money does become more important when the girl is looking for something more long term and serious; at this point if you're not earning about the same as or more than her, she may well look elsewhere.

All of that is very generalised and there will always be exceptions. And when it comes to love vs money, often there are a lot of exceptions to any sort of logic or 'rule'. But that is what I think is the very basic rule of money and women.

A lot of chicks are telling you the truth.

I have no job, live with my dad, never have money, am 29 years old, and my girlfriend buys me shit all the time. We have sex a lot too. She says she really likes that she can just be herself around me and that I'm really nice and sweet.

So being non-judgmental and a caring person seemed to work out for me.

She also thinks I'm hilarious.

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It's all about what the woman is accustomed to, and what she wants. If she used to being with guys with money, or wants a guy with money, then money will be an issue. If she isn't, then money won't matter.

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I wrote this a little while ago:

For anyone who thinks you need money to get girls, you are right, congratulations.
But let's break it down:
You need money for food, for a room to live in, and to pay for the clothes you wear.
Then there is transportation and the costs involved with going out and being social.
If you have all these covered, then that is all the money you'll need to get a girl.
Well, to get laid that is.
If you want to be in a monogamous relationship then there definitely will be costs involved. If you're lucky these will be evenly distributed (or covered by the other party).
If you're just looking for a lay then you only need enough money to get yourself and a partner to a preferred location.
One-night stands obviously being the fastest and most direct. Not all girls (or guys) will be up for this so then a few dates may be needed to close the deal (there should be some concern if you've gone longer than three dates without sex, unless it's due to poor logistics or an ongoing slowstyle seduction, for eg. someone you've known for a while in a social circle)

Dates can be cheap. Grabbing a coffee and going for a walk is the perfect date at the right location. If there is a good place to do this close to where you live that's even better.

If you have money then getting laid is incredibly easy, if you've sorted out two things. These are:
1) your look
2) your logistics.
Money = improves looks, speeds up logistics.

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But to answer your question, girls don't care about $ if you don't.
And the ones that do, you don't want to be around (or just f**k n forget)