I'm writting this on a weird state of mind, but I think I got to say some things that have been bothering me in the past few moths.

I think that "the pick up arts" are bullshit.

Ok bullshit is a strong word, I'm re-writing that sentence:

The pick up arts arent necessary.

What are we dong here? Most of the guys here wont succed.

Probably 90%+ of the guys in here dont get laid after months (years?) of doing this stuff. We have a huge population that wont even go out and aproach.

Some guys get some success. A few get amazing success.

Those few that can get a model every time give hope and advice (for a fee) to everyone else.

I dont think that the stuff that we are learning is wrong. This stuff is just a set of tools. Bottom line it all comes down to the skill of the craftsman.

If I ran the industry, I would make it less pretentious.

When I was first starting to get a grasp of this stuff, I watched some David Deangelo's DVD. it was about being a man. He said that most of the guys that dont know how to get women dont know how to be proper men.

I belive thats true.

I mean, if you open up any random thread, and if you changed a few of the words, it could be easly be transformed into a thread on how to catch pokemons on a videogame.

The enthusiasm that most guys experience when they learn about this. I dont think that is like... sane.

I felt that enthusiasm. But it had nothing to do with women. It was about my ego. About me rubbing hot girls on people's faces.

I didnt got good with women spitting game straight from some obscure PDF handbook. I just went out, faced my fears, and tried to talk to women. It wasnt pretty at the beggining. But I kept on doing it for some time.

I'm not an expert. My greatest triumph was being able to get chicks that I thought were out of my league.

The only thing that I have to thank PUA's for, is showing me that it was possibe, and that my actions had to "resemble" something.

Let me explain that last part.

Pick up made me make a concious effort on getting better with women. So I tried to make it "in a certain way".

I was lying earlier, I do have something else to thank PUA's for, and thats learning all the inner game stuff. Thats the REAL deal. Thats waht brings the women into my life.

Last year a lot of good stuff hapened to me. Becasue I fucking took control of my life.

Thats why I belive that learning all this routines and stuff is unnecessary. Love's got no method. Every girl is different and all of them surprise me.

Sometimes I dont know what the hell did I do right with this girl.

Improve your life. Women are just a part of life.

That last sentece sounds kind of ironic coming from me in this particular moment. I love women. I can do a lot of stupid things for a chick.

Anyway...

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Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

I am going to quote Tiger Woods on this one:
I think this applies to many things in the world including the PUA Community. I have tried to help some guys in the community and some of them have it and some just don't get it and are 'hopeless' so to speak. But not all is lost. Even those 'hopeless' guys improve somewhere in their life, so I don't think its a total loss.

First things first, you have to be realistic in your expectations. You have to know what you want and start working towards that. You learn from your mistakes and you move on.

Some guys do have it much easier than others but that doesn't mean that one cannot improve on themselves. Whether it be their physical looks, their level of confidence, weight problems they might have and understanding how attraction works.

Take from the PUA community what works for you. If it doesn't work, then re-evaluate your game and change it so that it does work for you.

Additionally, from what I have seen, woman who don't have a Manly man, tend to be very insecure with themselves or that the guy they are with is just a rebound guy, exactly opposite from the 'Manly Man' to begin with.

Best,

J-Dub

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J-Dub in DC

Its better to be the predator than the prey.

You need to be a good player if your gonna be successful at the game.

He he! I love this comment! AMEN (X-MEN Im not religious).

People quit learning for a variety of reasons. Sometimes but not often it is their own crappiness that prevent them from being great. Mainly it is because people are quitters. They are too weak to push themselves to the amount of hard work it takes to get good at this stuff. It is painful and humiliating, thats todays truth.

What people fear most is awkwardness. To feel bad. Unfortunately you need to expose yourself to it. Its easy to tell someone to man up, stop being a pussy. However, in order to do that people have to realize that they are pussies. That they are lame. Not many of us can take it!

You have to stand up, lokk yourself in the mirror and shout: I FUCKING SUCK! BUT IM DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

Thats the difference between a man and a loser. You are not a loser because you suck, you are a loser because you dont do anything about it!

I'd think that 2 to 3 % of new members have the ability to take something from this forum and find success and I'm always pretty psyched about that. Most guys will sit on the sideline and watch but there's really nothing wrong with that either. This wouldn't be so different from everything else in life. Only one kid from his school will be the valedictorian. Only one kid is going to be the starting quarterback for his school's homecoming game. This is simply the way things work in life.

So true. I never tire of high school football references. 1...2...3...BREAKDOWN....HA...HA...HA...BREAKDOWN! Reminding you that the apex of your life in America is your senior year of high school.

I just use this site as a compliment to in field experience that I'm trying to get. I understand that there can be a tendency for some people to study a lot of material yet have very little practice in field which won't get them anywhere. Its good to have a mixture of solid inner game coupled with some techniques/lines/approach methods to get you started.

Often for guys with no or little experience of girls its great to have a few lines that trigger attraction in a girl as for them that is a huge stepping stone and gives confidence for further progress!

Only for the person who stood on top of that apex and then decided to slide down the leg of the triangle upon graduation. (But this hardly ever happens)

The people who are stuck are the people who've ALWAYS been stuck.

The more I learn about certain styles of pick up and pick up techniques the more I think that picking up women is like playing a game of magic the gathering, you just have to know which is the best deck archetype to use for a certain women.

Yes im a nerd but me comparing a complex game to another complex game actualy simplifies it.

Being a jund deck (gunwitch method) is the way to go for me.

I can see where you're coming from. I'm on and off with pickup (or attempting to learn/practice) so I may partially fall into the topic's category. I don't have any excuses for my lack of true success at the moment, but I don't want to be one of those who give up or wait around forever... I guess this topic brought that into my consciousness (for shit I need to get done this year).

I just read the forums weekly and it keeps me focused for some odd reason -- to try to do better in school (which I have been doing), be more sociable, and become a man. Maybe that's easy things to work on rather than just jumping into girls, but I want to build a proper foundation (inner game).

[and yeah] It's not really that much different from other forums (you got your trolls and everything is so topical if you replaced keywords it'd totally sound like your example with pokemon or a video game) haha

Hahahah you would be surprised how similar this shit is to military strategy.

Some of you compared picking up women with a card game and military strategy.

As Hobbit knows, metaphors are dangerous things.

You can compare anything with... well: anything. I mean, you could find more than ten similarities between a pencil and Linsay Lohan's boobs in a minute. But that doesnt means that you can use a pencil as an accurate aproximation of her boobs.

The comment about the pokemon was a critique of that aproach.

You could simplify this stuff all you want, or you could make it as complicated as you wish. But you wont change how it IS.

And that's why pick up is stupid. We are trying to understand something that 100+ years of psycology, sociology and other fields havent figured out.

We dont know shit.

I mean, those guys that make bussines out of being good with women really dont know shit. Being a good driver has nothing to do with understanding how an engine works. They are good with women, but they dont understand them. Some chicks dont even understand themselves. Its funny how they use obviously made up statistics to sound legit. They know how to use the tools (and how to teach others to use them) but they dont understand stuff.

Thats why any metaphor is useless here.

When I start thinking about it, I dont really know what women find attractive about me. I never even know what did I do right with a girl.

All this stuff that we learn, you could explain it with a methapor, but you cant never know for sure the reasons behind it.

Like on that movie with Drew Barrymore. 50 first dates. The girl got attracted to the dude because his hands smelled like fish, and some how that was attractive for her....weird. And absolutely no logical, since other woman might find that disgusting.

We really know nothing..

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Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

Tthat wasnt a metaphor. That was a simile, a different linguistics figure. A metaphor is when you change a word. A simile is when you compare two thins that are different and unrelated.

When you call attracting women "the game", youve got a a metaphor.

So, there's no irony there Hobbit , lol.

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

I say this respectfully of course... But this is down right ignorant... People "are" wat they know, usually meaning wat surrounds them and i am a FIRM beleiver that ANYONE can learn ANYTHING. thats how the brain works... now you can reply with negs directed toward me or even take it a step further and amog me... but just save your time. that was my two cents

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Since when this is the grammar forum? LMAO

About the claims that this thread was ignorant, you obviously didnt read it or you failed at getting a grasp of it.

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"[Cool is] a heavily manipulative corporate ethos. ”
Kalle Lasn

"Motherfuckers best belive in....That you are fucking with the best" - 3oh!3

Teasing is a battle plan for what Shakespeare called “the merry war.”

Not trying to downplay the thread but this idea has been brought up countless times since I've been here. There is always going to be people who just do not have the drive to better themselves, however, to estimate how many people do or do not succeed is a bit silly.

I agree with you on the point that we should be bettering ourselves, rather than focusing on picking up women (a step that comes after bettering yourself). I believe that this forum and many of its users cater to that belief, I know I do.

I believe that this forum provides some great advice and rules to live by, but as with most things in life, its up to the individual to put these things to use.