ok i am good at talking and everyone tells me that i am funny and stuff but i think my problem is that i just dont go and talk to woman.
So is it possible to have natural game but it has to be brought out.

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Yeah. I would definitely say that could be the case. For example, I myself was like that. I never needed to read something in order to learn how to be cocky funny. But I sucked at getting girls, because I didn't have the guts to just go up to them and I wasn't assertive enough to gain any attraction, so was always in the friend zone.

So here's the more philosophical question, then: Is it possible that Game is just this bringing out of your inner personality, no matter what it is, simply making you more confident? Or does that only work for some people?

All the same, I think Game brings out confidence a different way than other confidence boosters. I owe a lot to the community, and I don't think I could have gotten the same positive attributes I now have any other way.

Of course. Being a "natural" is overwhelmingly learned behavior.

I started at the very ground level, interacting with girls entirely through routines. Then as you learn the reasoning behind the routines, you become more of a natural and use less of a script.

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Start just talking to everybody. Guy, girl, ugly, whatever.

The more comfortable you are with talking to strangers, the easier it will be to ease your way into talking to good looking women.

A natural means you're socially comfortable. So if you're having problems with confidence or cold opening, you're not really a natural. I have a similar kinda problem. If i kinda know the people or i've been in their presence in a social place more than once i dont really have many problems with gaming them. basically "warm sets". natural and pua is always an argued topic, but everyone is a mixture of both. so start developing your pua side and build some inner game and start making cold opens

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I feel ya. My biggest problem is getting going. The first 2 minutes (the most crucial part) can be a little brutal for me at times. But I am very good at building attraction. So I just keep working on it until I get it right.

Do you effortlessly flirt with women and have them begging to hook up you? ...Then no.

i was more or less in your situation... I was socially Savy, many friends, girls like me but ZERO closing. (Zero k-close for years i mean)

So i think that the best for you is LESS reading and mental masturbation, and focus on the only thing you really Need:

CLOSING

i was so bad with girls, not even girls could expected that.. (when i start with the first ones they bought my stories of former girls ahahahhah)

Then i start realising i ve to exit the matrix ( read RAW - prometheus rising and or something from Shark) -
build up my male energy (david deida and MMA training)
build up my identifty
i realised there are Window of opportunity ( juggler)
getting confidence of my kino (do some massage classes, like shatsu)
I listened to Ozzie 's Fundation (CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE)
and I realised that pushing the pase is actually good for the girl...

at the end last year i think i did like 10 random approaches and fucked 8 girls *.. one contacted me from facebook ( a 30 yrs pretty HB7 friend of friend but was a psyco ahahahh) - one from my gym (hb7 22 yrs great shape), a couple "old friends", a former collegue, and a couple from the opening....
with most i made love on first exit.. 5 were HB 5-6 (cute face, fat ass or cute body & dumb or juts normal girl - only 3 were HB7 and no HB 8/9/10 - but whatta fukkk, i like normality.

* ok small number (nothing to brag about) for MPUA standard but i was not even trying, and my opening skill SUX.
and still for me managing more than a couple of woman per months is too much

MVA

ok i am good at talking and everyone tells me that i am funny and stuff but i think my problem is that i just dont go and talk to woman.
So is it possible to have natural game but it has to be brought out.



No you are not a natural, first find out what a natural is and what is not, then you need to go to the introduction i believe it is of the mpua forum, and as homework do the newbie mission(i believe in the introduce yourself session), do not get caught up in this what i am? you need to learn game, and you need to go out and do the newbi mission... I know people that can talk to anybody and a lot, does not mean anything, sometimes does are the people i try to avoid..Follow my advise.......If

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Listen man everyone is born a natural. There is no gene called game or being good with women, it's all belief in yourself and how you carry yourself. Anyone and everyone can be great with women it's a about applying yourself to acquiring those beliefs.

Have you been doing anything concrete to better yourself?

Let me know if there's anything I can help with.

-Dave

I def recommend zan perrion for being a natural. He has the best mindset. He makes it seem so easy and natural to do. He has showed me to love life and create beauty in these womens life. I feel like naturals have this presence about them that is so incredibly attractive... can anyone describe what that is

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I agree and would like to add on to that. You were already born with all of these qualities man. Bringing out this natural quality or not is really up to you man. Are you a confident, sexy bastard who just gets women to approach him everywhere he goes? Do you see yourself as a guy who is good with women? If you don't, you gotta do something to believe it man, because once you believe you ARE that guy, you will naturally do things THAT GUY will do. Can you see what that guy who is good with women looks like? If you look at the mirror, can you see yourself as being that guy? These are the kind of things that you need to think about and reflect. You have this natural ability to attract women to you in you, but you need to learn how to tap into it.


- Nelson

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"In order to fill your cup, you must first empty your cup" - Bruce Lee

"Becoming great with women is a by product of becoming great yourself" - Cory Skyy

Great. Also, I'd recommend you to read Lode's experience in which he figured out something similar:
experiencing-emotions-vt96363.html?highlight=lodewijkp

It's a long read, so to summarize, he concludes that we all are naturally born with everything we need to game 100% perfectly, but society teaches us to repress it. So PU is not a learning of game, but an unlearning of society's impositions on our personalities.

if you have natural game you're in luck. im like you i have natural game, but learning how to open does really help so you can pick up random girls and let your natural game come out smoothly.

Everyone has the capacity to have natural game - it's just a question of being confident enough to let it come out.

In professional poker, the best players say that one of their most valuable assets is the ability to not give a shit about the money. They just make the best decisions they can based on the information they have. Ever hear the good PUAs saying "in order to get a girl, you have to risk losing her?" This is the same thing.

No risk, no reward. You're going to crash and burn, but you're also going to hit homers.

If you're not comfortable enough talking to girls to have natural game work for you like you want it to, go back to routines - or at least structures others have developed. When you internalize what works and what doesn't, you'll get comfortable enough to let yourself come out more.

Don't mistake "natural game" for "not having to try/work hard/learn/practice/fuck up". They're not the same.