I got into the game because all through my life, school, sports, partying, basically everything but women came with little to no effort on my part. Now as I have had some success, my problem comes when I try and hit on 9s or 10s. I can pick up a 7 with my eyes closed, basically because my frame goes right into "im the prize", but Ive never slept with anythin over an 8, or really ever had the opportunity to. This is where my dilema begins, I can't seem to bring that kind of girl into my frame. I am well spoken, attractive, well dressed, well groomed, have a great sense of humour but absolutely zero confidence when it comes to beautiful women. I am totally stumped when it comes to them.

Am I not trying as hard as i should because I have consistent sex, maybe.

Am I scared of rejection, probabaly.
Am I overthinking this, more than likely.

This is where I want to interluded into another idea, the idea that routines and NLP and all of that crap is b/s. Sure it can spark some temporary attraction, and wow some girls at a bar, but lets get serious guys, are a few magic tricks really enough to make up for a life time of failure with girls?

Not a chance, what we should be really focusing on is finding out what it is about who we are that turns women off or makes us afraid to talk to them and fix it. If its a lack of confidence then we need to find things we are good at, because its what we excel at that makes us happy in life. In theory If I can pick up a 7 a night with no effort, jsut by being me, it shouldnt be that far of a leap to bring home a 10, right? So whats standing in my way? a lack of confidence. Sure i know my way around the basics of game, but what I have learned about game, is that if your out, having a good time, and not thinking about picking up women, then all of the bullshit about coming in under the radar with stupid openers and routines wouldnt be needed. You could simply use daily observations and funny stories, mixed in with some clever lines or jokes (canned crap can be gold if used sparingly and with great timing).

I guess what im trying to say is that there is no magic formula, no secret thats going to instantly turn you into cassanova. At the end of the day its about being comfortable with who you are or what you have become and not letting fear of failing get in your way. I mean we are all here because we have a history of failing, this shouldnt be new to us. Lets put it behind us and work towards making ourselves better people not just better players.

"confidence is not a guarantee of success, but a pattern of thinking that will improve your likihood of success, a tenacious search for ways to make things work"- Dr John Elliot

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Have you realised that your 10s and 9s are other guys 7s or even 5s?

What you describe here is the lack of confidence to go for what you truly fancy.
Perhaps in your eyes those girls are exceptionally pretty but this is something that you or your friends think.

However I agree that there is no specific formula and I also agree with the confidence part.

NEVER thought of it like this before!

But now it's obvious

Game on....

a_girl_ I think I love you

My formula for how fly a chick is:

Rated from 1-5 on a physical attraction level = x
Rated from 1-5 on a character/personality level = y

x+y= My rating for a girl.

This way a girl average looking like a 7(3.5) can actually end up a 8.5. A girl that is good looking with a good personality almost always ends up a 9. A girl who is a 5 on looks but has worthless personality can be a 6 after personality, even a 5. I think that is the best way I have ever found for rating a girl. My friend introduced it to me and I thought it was solid.

Just thought I would toss that out there. So when you are talking to a girl that is a "9" she may really only be a 5 or 6 because she just isn't impressive personality or character style.

This is a system only for those who are interested in adding character to their attraction rating. Highly recommended system.

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Interesting way of thinking but I still think that rating is something up to the individual.

It is all a matter of personal taste.

Of course it is, because it is still you rating her. It is your opinion of her, my point was if you want to find a way to take personality into consideration that this was a good way to give personality as good a chance at rating her as looks. Taking both aesthetics and character into consideration and giving them equal value.

At the end of the day it is how you feel about their personality and their looks. What I find attractive and what another guys finds physically attractive are very different. What I may find funny or chill in a girl another guy might find annoying or may not appreciate her sense of humor. That said if you give both sides equal value than you can have a somewhat balanced rating system.

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I only use ratings on looks.

It's one of those things you can make an instant judgement on. You don't have to think about.

I can't really rank personality by numbers, and besides it normally takes a while before you get to know someone and their personality. It's far too deep and complex a subject for me to give someone an arbitrary number.

Scamp

Capps Your problem isn't really your confidence, tho that is effecting things here. The real problem is you want to game 9's and 10's differently than you do with less attractive girls. As you are putting these girls up on a pedestal just because they are more physically attractive. The thing is these 9's and 10's are really no different than the 7's you game. Ya they are more physically attractive, but thats it. There is no reason to game them differently.

some adjustments need to be made, me thinks.