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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:48 am 
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Ok there is a lot to pick up. No one seems to select diction as a focal point of natural game. To me this can be the most important part of natural game, outside of body language. Every one knows if you want to be a pick up artist you want to stand out. In a conversation there are a ton of words that will catch attention and make some one more interested in having a conversation with you.

If you want to come across as different in a conversation it is a good idea to change up the words you use. Everyone says thank you, I say appreciate you, I will joking say Love you, or Much appreciation. Your words should develop a style and content particular to you. If you study different eras of word usage you can use them pretty easily and stand out. Jive- Look at you lil mama togged out to the bricks. If you can develop a different tone for you statements. I.E. How are things? I say Deeeecent instead of Good!. Instead of saying your joking, I say I call shenanigans.

It is always a good idea to expand your language. Expand what words mean what and how you use them. Oh man that is Rough(cool). Smooth cogs(nice glasses). Oh man that place is Nasty(awesome).

How are you?- Pheeee-Nomenal, Fantastic, Tremendous. Always good. Great you know just Living the dream. Kopascetic, Smooth.
What are you crazy lil kids doing?
Come on now lil kid.

Using a wider variety of words just makes you come across as more intelligent. You demonstrate value through intellect. You make me uncomfortable. Using words that stand out along with a good tone will make you far more intriguing.

Are you consistent with this behavior?
Don't act better than me.
Don't judge me.
I am judging you already.
I highly recommend it.
Always a pleasure.
I enjoy your presence immensely.
That is entertaining.
Continue.
I am infatuated with blank.
What an experience?
How was that experience?
What kind of pish posh is this?/That is pish posh.
That was quite the demonstration(watching someones body language in a comical manner).
That is Hi-Larius.
That was (so) funny. - Still is.
Foiled again.
That was extraordinary.
That doesn't sound to appealing.
Was that really necessary?
Wow that was a mastercard commercial/priceless.
Oh man your life's not complete until.... some ridiculously stupid statement.
That can't be natural(not talking about body parts guys).

You need to find words and expand your language so that your conversation keeps them aware, saying that's pretty cool is a lot worse than saying that is insanity, gnarley, nasty, fan-tastic, I am a fan, sexy deal, be creative.

There is much more to say on the subject, but I was wondering if anyone else felt their success was widened when their diction expanded. If there are any statements you feel are original to you that have worked with success.

If you know anymore great words that catch attention list them in a sentence show an example. I'd really like this to become a much larger topic as I think it can expand a lot of peoples natural game.

I will admit some of these are cliche but if you use cliche in an unexpected exchange of words you will catch her attention. Proper tone is always good.

There just needs to be style, difference, and tone to make you sound different than others. Be careful not to be the guy who uses generic statements.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:48 pm 
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You sound arrogant in writing. Just saying. I mean, are you an old British gentleman or not? It's probably just that I can't hear your tone. Diction is important in that you have to gauge your audience. If you want to build rapport, use a similar vocabulary to her, don't use a lot of words she won't understand. I talk pretty much how I write; I'll occasionally throw out a hundred dollar word, but I stick with regular, grammatically incorrect english. It's good to have some phrases of your own, but you just naturally pick these up from people you talk to regularly. I think tonality is a much bigger piece of the puzzle than the actual words you use, and your actions supercede that.


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You sound arrogant in writing. Just saying. I mean, are you an old British gentleman or not? It's probably just that I can't hear your tone. Diction is important in that you have to gauge your audience. If you want to build rapport, use a similar vocabulary to her, don't use a lot of words she won't understand. I talk pretty much how I write; I'll occasionally throw out a hundred dollar word, but I stick with regular, grammatically incorrect english. It's good to have some phrases of your own, but you just naturally pick these up from people you talk to regularly. I think tonality is a much bigger piece of the puzzle than the actual words you use, and your actions supercede that.
My bad I am not arrogant I promise. I am always joking when I talk, probably one of the more goofier kids you would meet. I smile while I say everything so you can tell the seriousness I have. I may sound arrogant and I do understand what you are saying, but when I talk I am always kidding around. I agree that tone is very important to what you say, in fact I mentioned it several times. How could I be serious when I say something like "I call shenanigans" or "foiled again"?

It is very obvious that your language should not be above your audience and I am not saying to use language that will make the other person feel embarrassed or small. Using different styles of language can make you stand out is all. You become far more appealing if you state things differently. None of the statements I mentioned or words I stated wouldn't be known by anyone. You should never use abstract words that no one uses or understands, I am not saying that at all. I consistently get asked about my diction but that is a conversation piece in it's self.

When I speak I normally have a smile on my face, so people realize I am merely a goofy kid. If I say something that makes me sound arrogant I say "sorry I am arrogant". In 9 out of 10 cases they so "no your not". If you are alone with a girl you need to match her tone quite a bit more , but if you are with someone and making an impression on them early in the conversation in order to not get ex nayed so early in the conversation language can help.

Your not out to sound arrogant so much as hold their attention by saying things differently than other gentlemen that come up to talk to them. Certain words help hold their attention more, that is all I am saying. Your goal in any conversation is not to ask the same question in the same way as the last 10 guys that have come up to talk to her. You want to stand out by just having character. My diction is a little different than others and I like that I stand out verbally. I think that is a big part of natural game.

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"Words offer the means to meaning and, for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth." --V for Vendetta

The OP is right in that using uncommon words, phrases and sentence composition is not only attractive, it can be hilarious. For example, what's more amusing: "I took a big poop." or "That was a symphony of bowel movements."? Obviously the second one.

It's absolutely possible for a girl to still be attracted to you if the way you speak is above her head, and once she is, she will inevitably want to learn to speak "on your level." Thus you have not only gotten laid, you've performed a public service for other intelligent guys who feel nothing but disdain for chicks that think playing dumb is cute.

The fact is, intelligence always displays value, and the way one speaks says a lot about who they are as a person. This was a great post.

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Or, "I just blew that fucker up," ala manwhore. I just remembered it's not your choice of words that DHV. Sure, you can say you're a riot or a maverick, you can use a bunch of novel buzz words. But you're better off showing what kind of guy you are with stories and anecdotes. And then your word choice doesn't matter as long as you get your point across. Diction sort of matters because it shows that you're not just your regular AMOG with a GED, it separates you a little from the guy that always says "cool", "sweet". But you have to be careful not to separate yourself from the girl.


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Or, "I just blew that fucker up," ala manwhore. I just remembered it's not your choice of words that DHV. Sure, you can say you're a riot or a maverick, you can use a bunch of novel buzz words. But you're better off showing what kind of guy you are with stories and anecdotes. And then your word choice doesn't matter as long as you get your point across. Diction sort of matters because it shows that you're not just your regular AMOG with a GED, it separates you a little from the guy that always says "cool", "sweet". But you have to be careful not to separate yourself from the girl.
Well, I don't use as many stories as most people. I think you demonstrate most value through body language and tone then stories and anecdotes. There is several ways to demonstrate value, if you can do that through your body language, tone, and diction your brilliant I promise. They don't need to know what I do for a living they can wonder what I do all they want. They don't need to know what I drive. I do not demonstrate value by talking about girls I have hung out with, stuff I own, or things I have done. I have a lot of experiences and I hang out with girls quite frequently, but that doesn't mean that should be what they see me as.

This is about natural game not about demonstrating through lies or made up moments. Unusual word usage shows your mind works differently. If you want to be like every other AFC why not just not change anything and let yourself go by luck. If you are just like every other guy you will get what every other guy gets. Language is an easy way to make yourself stand out and add value through intellect.

This is like that old don't go tell a girl "Wow! Your beautiful", you will be the creeper that she talks about later. However if you walked up and said "Quality selection on the bracelet, I truly appreciate it. Where did you get it?" you will evoke far more conversation out of her. It is what you choose to say. How you say things is very important, it will increase your chances tremendously if you state things different. You can say "Wow, I can't believe he did that what an idiot"(makes you seem negative) or "Righteous, that gentlemen sure demonstrated his intellect", which do you think sounds more elegant and makes you sound better? Obviously the latter has more style and interest in it, it also sounds funnier. You don't want to sound arrogant and pompous, which is why tone is very important. Speaking with a smile will make everything you say sound better, less threatening. You can get away with saying a lot more ruthless things when you speak with a smile.

Go over some of the regular lines you use I guarantee you have statements with words that stand out. If you say "so what are you up to tonight?" you sound like everyone else who has spoken to them. If you say "What kind of shenanigans are you guys into tonight?" you will likely gain a smile and more insight into there night.

Sorry but if you aren't willing to change your language and have to demonstrate all your value through stories and anecdotes I think you need to work quite a bit more on your inner game. Don't be generic, that is the key to natural game.


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Well sir... your speaking style still seems kind of haughty to me, but probably I've just never met anyone who talks like you. It sounds like you found your niche. I'm also a strong proponent of natural game, but there just isn't a better way to demonstrate character than with a story. I can have an educated, rhythmic speaking style and that will create some interest.

But nothing is going to captivate that girl and create intimacy more than telling her about that time I was almost killed outside of Carlsbad caverns by a woman in a van full of kids. She will know me so much more than just my speech patterns. Stories don't have to be exaggerated, they don't have to be lies, you don't have to be the hero, and they don't have to be ridiculous. Having a story for every occasion is the mark of a lived up life. Every culture in the world values a good story. I regret not having more. That's why I like being a PUA, it encourages me to be braver, to forge heroic tales of sexual conquest and hilarious stories of utter defeat.


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Well sir... your speaking style still seems kind of haughty to me, but probably I've just never met anyone who talks like you. It sounds like you found your niche. I'm also a strong proponent of natural game, but there just isn't a better way to demonstrate character than with a story. I can have an educated, rhythmic speaking style and that will create some interest.

But nothing is going to captivate that girl and create intimacy more than telling her about that time I was almost killed outside of Carlsbad caverns by a woman in a van full of kids. She will know me so much more than just my speech patterns. Stories don't have to be exaggerated, they don't have to be lies, you don't have to be the hero, and they don't have to be ridiculous. Having a story for every occasion is the mark of a lived up life. Every culture in the world values a good story. I regret not having more. That's why I like being a PUA, it encourages me to be braver, to forge heroic tales of sexual conquest and hilarious stories of utter defeat.
We all have funny stories. We all have value stories, that is not what I am saying at all. My point is they have to earn information out of me. I have tons of stories, "many a stupid" things I have done.

I have camping stories, road trip stories, party house stories(lived in one), vacation stories, nice car, good job, as well as good job stories, but that isn't the way I demonstrate value at all. Every thing they learn about me is privileged information that does sound arrogant but that is precisely how I feel. If I felt the opposite then I would go back to being the scared unconfident gentlemen I once was. I don't at all feel better than anyone, I just think just like trust information must be earned. Besides all that most people will like you a lot more if you are ready to listen than if you are ready to talk(telling a story vs. adding remarks).

You'd be surprised how much diction can change the value of content as well. If you don't think that diction can add value I don't think you understand the power of influence and persuasion. For instance if you ask "Can I go ahead of you in the bathroom?" with a long line your less likely to get ahead than if you say "Can I go ahead of you in line because my wife and kid are outside". You will likely have a better shot at getting to the front, the magic word being because.

I am not at all saying stories don't work, but the ultimate moment into becoming a PUA is showing it through your body language(which includes vocal tone imo) and diction. Studies on courtship consistently show that content isn't nearly as important as you would think. Hell half the time I am listening to someone I fade out and then come to catching most of the story.

I just think you can say things in a different way separating yourself from the average gentlemen that walks up to your particular target. I guarantee you become more intriguing if you use a wider diction and variety of words while telling your stories. Your not using complicated words at all, just different words.

Every one has to have fun with your language patterns or else you can look like an arrogant douche bag, but it is the same concept as cock funny just don't overstep your bounds. You don't want to sound like a arrogant douche bag.


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