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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:42 am 
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At the recommendation of several of the forum moderators, I have started this thread to provide a very specific service to you. So, I present to you:

"ASK MEDIC. NO NONSENSE ADVICE FROM A PUA WHO'S SEEN IT ALL."

I've been a member of the PUA community for a few years now. I have trained under and with some of the most astute PUAs and coaches in the community. Pick Up is not my full time profession, but I am a lifestyle trainer in New York City.

I push men and women to build and maintain a whole, balanced life. I believe that your love life should not trump your family, friends, or your profession (or school).

I'm not here to kiss your ass, I'm here to kick it, so don't ask questions that you don't want the answer to.

After much ado, ask away! 8)

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Medic,

Thanks for doing this. The forum and I completely appreciate your valuable input and your time giving back to the community. I have no doubt the advice you give will be helping a lot of guys on their individual journey's.

What would say to a guy who is going out occasionally say a few times a month to go out and meet people who wants to increase his results. Many guys in the community had a period where they went out a good six months before becoming good. Is it possible to go out less and get good as fast? If so how? Do you believe in the theory it's in large part a numbers game at first?

Just interested in your views on this.

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There's been a lot of controversy over this whole "Natural Game" movement. A bunch of self-proclaimed gurus jumped on the marketing bandwagon and repackaged their shit and called it "Natural Game." A bunch of them also seem to have pretty unique ideas about it. A lot of PUAs swear by it now and a lot of them even bash the very notion of it.

What is your definition of "Natural Game" and can you expand on your perspective of it?


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Gentlemen, thank you for the support.

J, I think that there is no better way to get better than to practice. It's perfectly fine to go out only once or twice a month, but just like anything else, it's going to take longer to get the stuff down pat then someone who goes out more frequently. With that said, there's a learning curve to take into account for the individual student. Some people just catch on faster than others.

A student only going out a few times a month has a distinct disadvantage. The way to capitalize on this is to spend the "out of field" time studying and learning from the available resources. He must make sure that every moment of his infield time is spent working and working hard. There's no time to slack. A man much wiser, and experienced than me, once said "practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect."

Do I believe that "the game" is a numbers game at first? Yes.

Listen, it takes a set of brass balls to go out for the first time and start opening sets. It's quite rare that a guy can go from zero to PUA in one night. It takes time and experience to learn what works for you and to get a good comfort level while approaching and/or in a set. As a new guy, you've gotta allow yourself some time to "get all your f*#% ups out" before you can see steady, consistent results.


Chief, my man, natural game...

I'm quite glad to see a community-wide movement toward natural game. I've seen tons of guys come through the community and be bombarded with canned openers, routines, magic tricks, etc. and, while they do have their place, I think that it's easy for guys to become social robots. I'd much rather see a guy come through, pick up a bunch of information, and better discover himself... not worshiping the gurus. The gurus are people, nothing more, they're no one to be idolized.

Recently, I was at a bar and saw two guys, consecutively, opinion open this chick with the basic of all basic (and retarded) openers... the "brush/floss." (Really guys? Really!?) I think that with the surge of gurus and instructors teaching natural game, students will be more likely to build a naturally attractive lifestyle, thus remaining true to who they are at the core, and having long lasting, meaningful results.

About six months ago, I began writing a paper about this subject. I should get back to it and finish it... I digress. Maybe the real key to changing is to not change at all. I mean, obviously, we're all here for personal growth on one level or another, but it's easy to get away from your core values. Becoming more successful with women, and in life, should NOT include digressing from your core morals and values.

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Medic,

So here is my question. I've really been out of the social scene for 6+ months. New position within my company. New town, in a slightly uncomfortable living situation to bring women back to. It's been all work, and then after work, nada. So the past 6+ months I've been in a rut. Avoided the gym so I gained 15 pounds. Don't have many friends around, and the people I work with are not in my age group. Basically what I'm saying is I lost my mojo. My swagger... My passion... My dedicatoin to me...

What would you suggest to step up my game again?

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CK,

To me, it sounds like you need to get back to basics. Think about what newbies have to do to get their feet wet and do it. Go open sets, roll solo. It won't be long before you are back in the saddle.

When it comes to your, now defunct, social circle, don't just rely on the drunks in the bar or meeting your new best friend in a random setting. Try to build a strong social circle at work (with you in the middle, of course). Furthermore, check out websites like meetup.com, there you can get together with like minded people. Also, look in your area, for "young professionals" groups and other social groups.

Get your ass in the gym! As I'm sure you know, the gym is a great stress reliever and a very positive outlet. I'm quite confident that you can find at least four to five hours a week to spend on yourself. Once you shed those pounds, you'll be feeling better inside and out. Oh yeah, you'll probably meet people at the gym too.

You don't like your living situation? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the only reason that you're tolerating a less than ideal living situation is a financial one. Once your financial situation evens out, then get a new place. For now, just be happy that you have a warm, dry home... there are lots of people that don't have it.



In my opinion, I think that the most important thing that you've mentioned here is the gym situation. 15lbs is a lot to gain in a short period of time, you need to get your body back to a place of homeostasis. Get your diet on track & get your ass in the gym. Do that tomorrow!

When that's done, start to get your finances on track so you can get yourself a new place to stay. You don't need to pretend that you're a rock star, living in a cribs-esque apartment, but a place where you feel comfortable 100% of the time.

Once you have a financial plan, then work on your gaming. We'll be here to help you, I promise.

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THankyou
One quick question
I have this ten SPAM and ive got enough IOI's to firmly believe she feels at least some attraction to me.
My question is how do i get over my oneitis mindset to her so that i can not get anxious around her? Im also currently dating an 8 but i dont care for her too much tbh


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Medic,

I have a question regarding the aspect of becoming the center of an already established social circle. Currently, I'm in college and I've been in this social circle since high-school. Often people in this circle throw insults at one another to, from what I can see, gain some sort of higher ground over another to become the center of the circle. I prefer to not throw insults in return, since it looks immature from my viewpoint and of others' outside the circle. However, I am at a loss on how to gain higher-ground from those attacks without saying insulting comments in return. What do you recommend?


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marloice,

There's no reason to feel nervous around this "10." She's just another person, a red blooded human. Let me break you in on something: She wakes up in the morning, she puts pants on one leg at a time, and, on occasion, she takes shits that really stink. Don't give her too much credit for her looks, her mom gave them to her, she didn't create them out of thin air. They're only physical looks anyways, she could still be a really bad person...

Oh yeah, for the 8, if you're not into her, what are you doing with her? Don't drag the young lass through the mud of you keeping her around to be a placeholder until something better comes along. Do her a favor, set her free so that she can be with someone who cares about her.


dasani,

Get some new friends.

I'm not saying to ditch your high school friends. Why are you consistently subjecting yourself to this type of toxic environment when you don't need to? You're in college, this is the time to grow!

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Medic

I got out a long term relationship and have been out of practise for a long time. I am learning to approach strangers and canned materials help me when I get a brain freeze. Would you still recommend that I try natural game and no canned openers.

Also have you taught any celebrities or any successful people in New York


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Haash,

I recommend doing what works for you. If canned material helps you see the results that you want, go for it. I do, however, recommend coming up with some of your material and trying it out in-field.

As for who I've worked with, I'm here to provide advice, not to discuss my clients.

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Ive hit another snag medic
and i believe u can offer me an answer however.
Very complicated situation and the reply will help me immensely not just in this situation but in all areas of game i firmly believe.

This is my situation
I am a senior in high school
I am not part of what u call the "in" crowd at my school but i manage to create high social value outside of my school through use of game.
Anyway SPAM
im running gambits on two girls - i followed ur advice and got rid of the aforementioned 8 in my previous post.
The two girls are a brunette 9 and a blonde 10.
The 10 i seem to be going along fine with
but the brunette i hav hit a snag.
Here is my problem
she is a virgin and has never been kissed.
I met her a few weeks ago and have since invited her to two parties.
At the second party, she was sitting on my lap the whole time, hooking up with me, i tried to isolate her to push for more but it didnt work.
Anyway after this party i thought i had done enough to move on to comfort building and i tried mysterys "uve hijacked my brain" gambit, however rather than build comfort it scared her away and she no longer seems attracted to me. we are still talking but it doesnt look promising, i realise my error in not first building enough attraction as she is very shy but is there a way for me to reverse it?


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Medic,

I am new to the community and I would like to ask you about sth. Do you recommend me to start with "tactics and techniques", I mean canned material and "how to" or go natural from the beginning? I want to end being natural, but I dont know what would be easier for me. Start from routines and then go natural, or go natural from the first time?


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marloice,

Listen dude, you put too much pressure on the 9. Back off. I mean, there's a reason why she's not had sex with someone and I guarantee that it's not to sleep with you the first night that she's kissed you. Try to turn the tables, for a moment, and think about it from her angle.

If you didn't build enough attraction, you wouldn't have "hooked up" with her. I'm assuming that you mean that you kissed her. Anyways, it's not even an attraction issue, it's a comfort issue. Comfort is generally built over time, not during the course of one party... especially with a sexually closed young lady.

You want to try to make things better with her? My first suggestion would be to apologize to her. I don't care what anyone else on this forum says, part of being a man is admitting when you're wrong. Even if things never progress with the two of you, you'll have regained the respect that you threw out the window.

Let's just play this out from a different angle. Even if you did close her, she'd have lost her virginity to you. There's a social responsibility associated with that. It sounds to me like you're a typical 17~18 year old, wanting to sow your oats. There's nothing wrong with that, but you have to be careful how you treat people.
You don't want her to have buyer's remorse for the first time that she's had sex, just so you could bust a nut! That goes against the first principle of PUA, "leave her better than when you found her."

Remember, in this "game" that we're all playing, there really is no game. We're impacting peoples' lives. That's nothing to toy with. The damage that can be caused can be life long. I don't know about you, but I don't want that kind of karma.


Manos,

Welcome to the community, I wish you all the best of luck.

Unless you're an Adonis-like creature and are already seeing good social results, which I doubt that you are, which brings you to this forum, I'd start with the basics. The basics include heavy confidence building and, basically learning what works for you. I don't know you, so I can't really say what's best for you.

My recommendation to guys new to the community is to cut your teeth with come of your own canned openers. Yes, your own canned openers. I highly discourage looking at the so-called "gurus" and stealing their openers. No one can say your own words better than you, similarly, you can't say Mystery's words because they're not yours! In the real world, we call that plagiarism, trying to pass one's words off as your own.

I'm not even convinced that you understand what going natural really is. In my opinion, it includes all of the things that basic PUA methodology suggests, just not in a structured form. I still go out and open, DHV, do some comfort building, etc... all of which, one needs a strong basic foundation for. The big difference is that I have come to a point in my game (especially my inner game) that my opening may be nonverbal, my whole life is one huge DHV, and my linguistic skills and overall vibe make people naturally comfortable around and with me.

What I'm getting at is that you should get used to interacting with people. Learn what kinds of approaches works best for you. Everyone is different. I suggest working hard, having fun, and heavy calibration.

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Medic...i got a bussy life ... work .. school , im often fatigued at night time which certainly decreases my game..... alot of people have this problem.
what is the best advice you gave ( to a client or anyone ) about Sarging / gaming when you don't have much time ( not much time during day-time either).
i don't consider myself a ''PUA'' , for me it's just a part of my lifestyle - and i like exploring that part.

second question : how many times do you need to sarge ( in general ) in order to improve your skills ? 1 time in 2 weeks is not enough in my opinion.

thirth question : i didn't sarge for a long period and noticed my game decreasing ( return of AA and so forth ) What do you recommend to keep it going ?

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