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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:37 am 
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Hey guys

Iv been out quite a bit lately gaming, me and my wing man have had some positive tales and things are going great, but my friend he real annoying he afc, and a big mouth so i wouldn tell him about any of this.... so yeh... were out one night, and me and my wing have a mutual undertsanding if were with a girl we aint lunching each other out, So he was with his Hb, and i was trying to get some more from a Hb who i f closed 2 weeks back, so i speaking to her and stuff, and he says ur lunching me out etc, and i say no im with a girl there no such thing as lunching u out then... and he has been even worse in the past, when his fit mates where down and he stayed with them all night didn speak to us altho came out with us, and bought em drinks all night :)... obvious he didn get any, just said one wanted him but he wanted to stay out (bullshit).... so he says it, gets real worked up angry, and its obvious he jelous so he's angry at himself for not getting girls and says ur lunching me out, and goes My Hb is a slag, she a ***** see u been replaced, cus she dancing with someone else... basically real afc behaviour.... that night tho... looks like i wasnt replaced and i think he was pissed off to find that out... its sad he just wants us to fail rather than help himself.

He always is, lets dance and i hate the df especially when he is there.. everytime i pulled or my wing has when he s there he makes an excuse to go and says summit, but now just get angry and its obviously cus he has inner issues about being jelous, i not worried about it cus iv been there and was a hell of an afc and used to always get so sad underneath when my mates always got girls and i got nothing, but generally wanting us to fail is annoying and really negative, he told aload of ppl that me, and my wing ***, went out talked to loads of ppl and got rejected by everyone to a gossipy girl its like wtf... trying to ruin are social proof, obviously to make us seem as lil as possible to make him feel big.. shame i still call him a mate

The most annoying thing is when i try and help him, or my wing trys to help him, he dont listen and gets defensive, other day on df, i go stop looking around act like ur having fun, and he goes no i fucking stood on summit, then 10 seconds later looks around....

So yeh sorry to be a moaner ha ha.. When he out and we with women, he will stare idolly his body language is baaaad.. and on df, he looks nervous looks over his shoulders a ridiculous amount of times really looks needy and he doesn look like he is enjoying himself, looking for ppl to dance near and not approach and hope they approach him, then says to us lets move, or do a lap, ppl must see us walk around so fucking much, cus there no women its cus theyv moved off cus they think were afc fags now lol...

he is afc but not a complete loser he has got lucky once in a blue moon on the df, and had 1 gf, i think obviously why he is obbsessed with the dancefloor his game constists of humping someones leg on a clubs df hope they likes him, snog etc, but it dont happen alot, cus there alot of alpha males out there to take the heard away and mixed sets he d never approach, I think thats why he loves the df, and why he looks over his shoulders all the time, its LOTS of times every 10 seconds almost, and then if he sees a group of girls dances he will dance slowley near, creeping and not really engadge.. i dont think he likes nightclubs, cus he doesn try and have fun just obbsessed with tryng to get girls on the df, and sucks at it, and lives his whole night around it

I never thought it has been an issue, but i read alot on frame and social proof lateley and meta game, i realised we always do better when he aint there, even if are body language is really good and were standing in a group he has his fingers in his mouth all hunched up looking about like he is lost and looks bored, do u think that would effect us as a group?.. cus i swear it seems to, maybe its just negative energy.. but i know if i talk about a group of girls, i dont say this girl that girl i say that set, that group etc, so if he looks really afc even if we dont, do u think that ruins are social proof, and frame????..

and u try and help him and he bites ur head off, the only thing worse than an afc is a bitter afc...

thanks for reiding so my main questions are

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do u think in a group of 3 with u a wingman and a friend who always looks in a strop, blanc faced, and always say lets dance now, even if ur talking to a girl at a bar.. can ruin your social proof, frame, game, generally make things worse..

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If anyone has had any simular problems if they could help, im debating on just not telling him when i out, or just lunch him out on a night out, its hard cus see him as a mate, but if he cant learn to bite hs toungue and wrk as a group then i wash my hands..

Sorry it sounds like summit of the jeremy kyle show. but help would be much appreciated.. thanks.. ;)... Deuce.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:08 pm 
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Be straight with the guy.
Tell him what behavior he does that may cripple your game. ('cause having a replacement little brother who comes up and whines everytime you give a girl attention is not going to cut it. It can make her uncomfortable.)

And consider giving him some tips as to how he can improve his frame and body-language, I mean, it seems he is jealous since he is unable to pull himself, so cut the guy some slack and help a brother out.
The alternative is ditching him, which would suck, both since you seem to consider the guy a friend, and it'll probably not help his situation at all.

A thing you can consider is opening a set, and bringing them over to wherever you guys are seated, social proof him by bringing up some of his good sides, and guide him into more alpha mindsets (Everybody has something they feel they master, so if you can remind him of that mindset, either overtly or covertly, it may help his body-language. Think about it)
Like if the guy does sports, get him to tell about that time when...whatever feat that made him feel really good... and see if that affects his frame.

It may take some extra effort, but at least you'll not feel bad about ditching the guy, and if he can get his frame together it's good social proof.
I mean; the guy can't be a complete loser in all fields, right ?

You may consider taking him out and giving his inner game some workout.
Fuck away those less positive beliefs, and AFC behavior.

Do some recreational activity with the guy, and get a good vibe between you, and do stuff like high fives and "Alright"... if those get associated with the feeling of mastery and doing really good, then when you do it in the club you may find it improves his state.

Good Luck ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:42 pm 
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thansk the big bad wolf, Ypu will be getting plue respect from me,

Yeh i think i need to do it in a more of a sly fashion, i make hints about his body language and explain and say look at a guy u think is good with women look at his posture etc, but he dont listen and gets defensive, and when we try and drag him in the set, he like nah i wanna dance, I know he aint gay lol before someone says....

I wont ever tell him what we do, ie the game sarging etc, cus he got a big mouth, he even said one night when we where getting lots of success to a gossipy bitch we where out failing, which pissed me off cus of social proof, i think the problem is he dont enjoy night clubs but feels inclined to go every weekend cus he feels thats the only way he will get women, and on the dancefloor too..


thanks for the advice i think i will help best as i can, my wing wants me to ditch him and it is starting to get annoying... but if he pulls any of the stuff he has in the past i think 3 chances are enough.. thanks my friend. Deus

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:57 pm 
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i love your attention to detail dude but if you want more peeps to read your posts and give you advice try shortening them abit .

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:03 pm 
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Sorry George, thanks for the advice ;). yeh my main question, was do u think it ruins frame or social proof, hangin around with someone who looks miserable and has real bad body language? thanks. Deus

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