Had a thought just now and thought id post it, not sure if this is a widely held belief being new to the community but there is all this advice on how to be a natural , like be alpha and don't give a s**t.

but just acting like that won't make you a natural since you won't know what to say or how to say it. thats why i think that following routines and lines at first is so important. The lines and routines work in the same way a naturals convo skills work.

So i believe that it is important to do routines first to get into the character of a natural, like an actor getting into part and then improv when they know the character inside out.

Routines and lines are good for giving you something to say when you first start out. Their value is that they keep your mouth moving.

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i understand that and again that is why you cannot expect to be a natural from the begginning just from reading some books

Converting to a natural is a bit hard. A lot of it is inner game and the beliefs you carry within you. I wouldn't recommend studying the natural game first unless you're good at interacting with people already. The canned material is there for those who don't know how to. However, converting into a more natural game is done by figuring out WHY the canned material works and making your own material. It is impossible to become a natural without going out in the field and testing.

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I've had the unique opportunity to observe a natural. He was not just a natural, he was a natural to the highest extreme. My cousin grew up in a very small town in mexico, where the mating habits haven't change in the last 300 years. His skills comes from his instincts. He opperates out of the most basic part of his brain and thus triggers responses in the most basic part of a woman's brain. When a woman is stimulated instinctively, she does not process logic or emotion because those exist in a higher level of brain function (look up tridune brain theory if you're interested in this phenomenon).

It is confusing to watch him in action. At first he seems very Very Alpha, then you start noticing weird things that he does that don't make sense. He will get very close to a woman and do a weird downcast head tilt thing, like a monkey examining a mate. He becomes very competitive with other males in the nearby vicinity and must prove his dominance over them before he attempts pursue a female further. All of his actions seem very simian in nature. It's odd.
He can even smell pheromones. On several occasions he has refused to sleep with a girl because she gave off an odor that only he could smell. He claims that certain girls smell bad to him and no one else can detect the smell, and all the girls he has rejected have a similar smell.
He is man as he was 50,000 years ago. He is a very interesting man to study.

Obviously I do not wish to be a missing-link pua, but I do acknowledge the fact that most puas are way out of touch with their instincts. I think we need to find a happy medium where conversation and the mating dance exist. That's how you become a natural.

I agree all of this forum is great with stories, bits and pieces but the ultimate masculine power is born from within. Naturals don't care REALLY. Naturals become naturals, no kind is born a king.

Change your mindsets, thats what im doing right now.

To give a tap on the back, the first step of being natural is changing what you think now. Usually is something close to the lines "I'm a loser...I'm not good with women..." Notice when you think like that and start thinking the positive, natural mindset. Whatever just switch the thought to "I'm great alpha-male, I'm full of confidence"

Playboys were newbies once.

Cheers!