So today I was walking my dog through my neighborhood, and I saw this smoking hot girl who I later come to find out is a young MILF...

She saw me from about 40 feet away, and I turned my back, and decided to bring my dog inside...

I went back outside to find her right after that, and caught up with her on the other side of the hood, and opened her directly.

Me: Excuse me. Hi. I know this is going to sound random, but I saw you when I was walking my dog, and thought you looked stunning, and I had to come and meet you, otherwise I'd be kicking myself for not all day.

Her: *Laughs and smile*

Me: *Holds hand out* I'm Shredder

Her: Hi I'm Melissa

Me: *Minces words about her little Yorkie* So I just moved in here a couple of months ago.

Her: Really? Which building?

*Small talk about the places ensues. I ask her how the pool is during the summer. She tells me she has kids. Blah blah. I suggest we walk. (Probably my biggest mistake in hindsight.)


Me: This winter was brutal, I feel like all everyone did was work and catch up on tv. (Talked about weather. Another mistake, I know, but needed a segue-way)

Me: You look like you're in good shape... Do you exercise?

Her: (Emphatically) Oh god no.

Me: I'll have to show you the ropes then...

Her: You will?

Me: Yea. I can see it now. We'll work out together and get all hot and tired, then cuddle up on the couch with netflix (and then I got caught off before I could deliver the punchline.)

Her: I don't think my bf would like that.

Me: *^^^Already prepared for this exact quote verbatim* Oh that's cool. I'm not the jealous type.

Her: Lol



After that, there was just a bit more small talk. I know that I had to make an emotional connection, and I was gonna do that by saying, "Ya know, I can tell just by looking at you that you're the kind of person who likes to have fun and enjoy life, and even though we've only been talking for a couple of minutes, I must admit, I'm curious.... What's your greatest passion? The thing that you love doing more than anything in the world?"

But I fucked up massively by suggesting that we walk... Fuckkk!!! I've been kicking myself for this shit all day since it happened... At least if I had stayed my eye contact could have helped. My eye contact alone has gotten me laid on more than one occasion...

I thought about just saying right after the introduction, "Listen I know this is forward, but I'd like to get drinks with you sometime. Or coffee if you don't drink..."

But after reading warped mindless's daygame advice posts for so long, I figured I had to try and get her to invest slightly in me first, or it wouldn't have worked. I thought that the best plan of action would have been to try and establish an emotional connection and some commonality first.


Anyway, I know I just got off track a bit, bit after she laughed at me saying "I'm not the jealous type" We were around the corner and 20 feet from her house. She told me that she had to go and get ready for work, and that it was nice meeting me... She went straight and went the other way back to my place.


There were these landscaper there, and you could tell that they knew what was going on. They saw us part ways.

Yep, that's right fellas. I believe they call that the "Walk of Shame." Pretty humiliating, but at least I had the balls to go over and approach her. Funny thing is, since I've kind of slacking with PU lately, I've only done about 8 approaches this year, but I gotta tell you guys, and IDK why, but this time, I had almost NO fear.

It was kind of crazy. Idk what's causing this. It's not confidence. Just lack of fear... I t has to be the 40 minutes of meditation I've been doing every day for the past 4-5 months.


Anyway, sorry for the long winded post, but I kinda feel really bummed out right now. I'll get over it, obviously, but can you guys critique me in the most honest way possible and give me some advice for my future encounters??

As for this MILF, i don't even know what to say if I run into her again. I kinda wanna just give her my number, and say "Hey listen, last time you ran off and I didn't ask you if you'd like to get drinks with me sometime." She'll prob bring up the bf, but I was just gonna say, "Look Im not expecting anything... Just good conversation."

But I have a feeling some of you guys are gonna just tell me to forget about pursuing this any further. Hey that's cool. Please share your tips with me.

-Thanks!

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Why do you feel the walk suggestion was so bad? IMO it wasn't.

I mean, you were either going to walk or you were going to stand there. You'd have gotten the 'boyfriend' line dropped on you either way.

Cuddling on the couch is where I think you went wrong... It's presumptive and you sorta jumped right into it from a seemingly benign question about fitness.

Did she really have a boyfriend? Who knows...

I feel like it was a bad idea because it prevented me from making eye contact and imagining her lips wrapped around my cock while I spoke with her...

Triangular gazing and all that good stuff. Walking side by side prevents that. Also, it brought us closer and closer to her house and then BAM! it was all over.


I wasn't expecting it to happen that fast. Not the arrival at her place from where we were around the corner, but for her to just say, "Well I gtg bye" and just walk off like that.


Thats why I kinda get the vibe that she's just not into me. Idk what to do if I run into her again. It's not like I'm mad at her or anything. I kind of still wanna ask her out for drinks.

If she brings up the bf again, I was just gonna say, "Look If you're happy, it's really not my place to intervene, but I don't expect anything. Just good conversation. Here's my number if you change your mind..."

Is that bad? ^^^

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Yeah talking about the bf isnt the greatest idea. Just dont even involve him in anything to do with her. Did you go into eye contact or kino? I find that walking next to a girl gives me the ability to "accidentally" brush against her or playfully push her.

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Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

With respect, man, I think you've been reading too much theory... 'imagining her lips wrapped around my cock'? Seriously?

It's a walk, dude.

Like I said --- you were either going to stand there stationary, or walk with her... and neither of those options gets you laid. You'd have gotten the boyfriend line regardless, I think.

I respectfully disagree man... There is nothing wrong with trying to imagine making love to a woman while looking in her eyes. If anything, if you get some movement and begin to get an erection, she'll feel the sexual energy, and everything in the interaction will flow much smoother.

What you feel, she feels. That was the point I was trying to make.

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It happened fast because the vibe that you were feeling was correct. She was just not into you.
Your perspective seems insecure. If you run into her again say, "hello" or don't say, "hello." Why does it even concern you? You don't need her validation. Why would you need to clarify that you are not mad at her? You are having some kind of negative feeling toward her or you wouldn't be writing about how you are "not mad at her or anything." It sounds butt hurt.
You are unsure of yourself. Either you want to ask her out for drinks (which is a horrible idea) or you don't.
If she brings up her boyriend again have some respect for her; and more importantly for yourself. Find a woman that is into you and doesn't rudely "just walk off." Women are everywhere. Move on before she labels you a desperate loser who can't take a hint. Furthermore, if you don't expect anything then why are you persuing her? You expect that if you say or do the right thing there will be some sort of pay-off. You know it, she knows it; why pretend otherwise? That's the kind of thing an orbitor does. You're not an orbitor are you?

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No, I mentioned that I wasn't mad at her, simply because I'm not. She doesn't have to talk to me, and is under no obligation to do anything she doesn't want to. No need to start a flame war over something dumb I said. I am still learning after all...



Anyway, thanks for the advice. It's always good to get a second opinion.

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It's interesting how straightforward, no-nonsense advice delivered with genuine masculine energy can be occasionally mistaken for flaming. I'm curious; which post gives you the impression that anyone is attempting to start a flame war? I agree that you said some "dumb" things and according to your post, what you're proposing to say next is equally "dumb." I swear I'm not trying to flame you. I'm trying to wake you up! STOP! This entire conversation is horrible and super creepy. How else do you want me to put it? Dispensing sublime pleasantries isn't going to help you or anyone else.

"You look like you're in good shape... Do you exercise?"
"Gross," is what many women you meet in the middle of the day will think about this worn-out, 1970's pick-up line. A large majority of women think it's socially ignorant for strange men to blatantly comment on their body unless they are in a nightclub or similar venue and she is dressed provocatively. Of course -- some women will respond positively to random, daytime objectification seconds after you meet. To each his own. Those kinds of women are not my style.

Plus, "You LOOK like you're in good shape..." ? It's an extremely subtle nuance, but women are acutely attuned and paranoid when it comes to subtle nuances. If I was going to say anything like that (which I wouldn't to a woman I met seconds ago, but that's me. You shouldn't aspire to be like me or anyone else), I would say:

Me: You're in good shape.

Her: Thanks.

And then the part about the two of you working out together... - Working out is very personal for most women. They don't see it the same way men do. Not only that, according to you, she made it emphatically clear that she wasn't into exercise, so why would she want to work out to the point of sweating with some guy she met on the street one minute ago. I realize you were half-way joking, but paint a picture of something that makes her feel comfortable. Women can be very sensitive and insecure about their bodies. The few women I talked to said they would think either, how dare you suggest that I should work out; or perv alert complete with a transparent excuse to see me in tight clothes and try to grope me. Ask a few of your female friends or family members how they would feel about a man they just met making a suggestion such as working out together. IMO that's something a dude would ask another dude to do.

"cuddle up on the couch with netflix." ?

Again weird. That kind of thing is something you say to a woman with whom you're already involved. Do you have any knowledge concerning what stimulates or excites this woman? Do you know if her skin is soft and warm or cold and clammy? Is her hair stiff or sticky? She has children. Do her clothes, to often, smell like baby puke? Is her "energy," personality, vibe, or whatever you want to call it even deserved or worthy of your awesomeness or cuddle time? Maybe she's a complete moron. My point is, you don't know this woman. Perhaps you'd have intercourse or receive fellatio from a clammy, stinky woman who has a bad attitude, but do you really want to cuddle with one? Don't propose cuddling with complete strangers. It seems sad.

I could go on, but I won't unless I'm asked. I think I understand why you might think I'm flaming you. I just hate that people didn't just "tell it like it is" to me from the very beginning. I used to say and think the same kinds of things you are. I wish someone would have "flamed" me.
^^This is pure gold.
You're welcome. There are tons of women. You're a man. You're the prize. Always have been always will be. Much respect to you for approaching. Most men can't.

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^^This is pure gold.

Is that sarcasm?^^^


Also, I'd really like to learn from this experience as much as I can...
Please tell me what you would have done differently from start to finish in detail if possible.

Thank you in advance.

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"Take your last chance. It's not the end..."

"Listen I know this is forward, but I'd like to get drinks with you sometime. Or coffee if you don't drink..."

^^This is pure gold.

"Is that sarcasm?"
"Please tell me what you would have done differently from start to finish in detail if possible."

Absolutely not sarcasm. Remember what I said about nuances. Those two sentences above about getting drinks sometime are "money" because the positive nuances they contain speak volumes. They say that you get it 100%. From the very first word, you are assertive (in a good way) and strong. "Listen." That one word--is extremely powerful. I'm not kidding. Then the nuances say that you understand how calibrated, social interactions work because you point out the fact that you know you're being forward. From there they imply that you're familiar with women and understand them because your using that same respective forwardness many of them love. Your intentions are clear, but not desperate; by virtue of their clarity. You know what you'd like to do (get drinks) and with whom you'd like to get them. Wow! But, the nuances are not done yet. They continue by showcasing your mindfulness of others because you realize that not everyone drinks alcohol. They also show that YOU don't need to drink alcohol. The two unaffected sentences you're positing are the kinds of on point sh*t a boss would say. Pure gold.

I understand how my dissection could come across as sarcastic to you or others. If it does, try reading it again. Sarcasm is not my intention. If it still seems so, IMO you'll probably never reach top level game. Not everyone wants to reach top level game. Everyone should reach or not reach whatever level they want.

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I wanna reach top game... Trust me.

Thanks for the in depth explanation. In the future, I'll try doing things in that fashion. At least that way I'll know with absolute certainty whether the girl is into me or not, because the sub communication will be clear as day.

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Female here.
This is an old thread, but I agree with everything Max Drake says.
I am very open to guys approaching me, but I would be so creeped out by this interaction, right from the beginning when the guy came running out of his house to track me down....A complete stranger suggesting we cuddle or work out together? Nightmare.

I've been doing a bunch of day game and the first interaction i've found is best to keep neutral. I don't try to escalate or anything. I am attracted to how she looks and want to get to know her better. What the person above me said about the whole creeping them out, I thought the same thing when I read it. That's what prompted the probably fake BF response.

I don't let them know I want to spend any type of "intimate" time together until I get to know them better. It's much more playful to suggest that over drinks than when you first meet someone. I really like your lines otherwise. Keep it up

Stop kicking yourself in the butt bro. After all, you are learning from your mistakes. It's good you made an attempt.

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